Time to repeal Helms-Burton.

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The above can be said this very moment about China and it was the conservatives that first pushed towards normalization with China and it was conservatives that pushed through MFN with China. Quit pretending that it is ONLY Cuba and ONLY Liberals support policies of normalization. You look stupid when you do it.

So the Chinese don't allow their citizens to accumulate wealth or deal in foreign currency? The Chinese force their people to hand over all foreign currency and use only a worthless form of national currency? Really?

Look, you want to lay a turd and call it macaroni fine by me, but I get to point out that that turd smells like a turd. Cuba oppresses her people. No matter what other nation may also oppress their people does not make helping Cuba to do it right.

 

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No, it would empower the people. Castro's regime has remained intact and clenching power for 50 years because of your beloved embargo. It seems you are the one who wishes to keep them in power.

Numbnut.

My beloved embargo? What a scathing stab. How cleverly insightful. Now, please explain to lil ol numbnuts here how the embargo has given Castro his "clench on power"?

 

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But for people like ID, ideology is more important than reality. Pragmatism is a bad word. Many of the conservatives that support the continued embargo denounce pragmatism because it chooses what works over what is ideologically sound. Moderation and Pragmatism are disliked by the fringe on both sides.

You are so unable to just deal with a debate on its face that you have to go for the dismissive...great.

I have no problem to pragmatics; what are we being pragmatic about has to be the question. You obviously like cigars so who cares if the guy rolling them can't earn enough to ever be able to retire, feed or clothe his family properly, after al you get the cigars that guys in Europe can now get, right?

 

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My beloved embargo? What a scathing stab. How cleverly insightful. Now, please explain to lil ol numbnuts here how the embargo has given Castro his "clench on power"?

It has prevented the people from benefitting from trade, thus keeping them more powerless and under Castro's thumb.

To believe that the average Cuban on the street has fared better for the embargo is to display an enormous amount of ideology over reality. In other words, you're blindfolding yourself with an elephant's jock strap, and appear to be quite proud to do so.

 

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It has prevented the people from benefitting from trade, thus keeping them more powerless and under Castro's thumb.

To believe that the average Cuban on the street has fared better for the embargo is to display an enormous amount of ideology over reality. In other words, you're blindfolding yourself with an elephant's jock strap, and appear to be quite proud to do so.

The people are not ALLOWED to participate in trade of anything other than their worthless peso! Not then, now, or in any foreseeable future. ONLY the government is allowed to benefit from any kind of trade!

The only one who seems to be blind is you, along with deaf and dumb! Opening up Cuba will benefit us. That is the only reason for it.

 

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The people are not ALLOWED to participate in trade of anything other than their worthless peso! Not then, now, or in any foreseeable future. ONLY the government is allowed to benefit from any kind of trade!

The only one who seems to be blind is you, along with deaf and dumb! Opening up Cuba will benefit us. That is the only reason for it.

isn't that easier to control when trade is not open? if the US dropped the embargo etc....i don't think castro or raul would be able to contain the flood of capitalism and ideas...

 

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isn't that easier to control when trade is not open? if the US dropped the embargo etc....i don't think castro or raul would be able to contain the flood of capitalism and ideas...

They own the military, you tell me what they'll be able to do? Look, open up trade. Just don't be among those who claim to be doing it for the benefit of Cuban's. They will only benefit as much as the Cuban government decides they will benefit, to claim otherwise is spurious.

 

[Beefy]

The people are not ALLOWED to participate in trade of anything other than their worthless peso! Not then, now, or in any foreseeable future. ONLY the government is allowed to benefit from any kind of trade!

The only one who seems to be blind is you, along with deaf and dumb! Opening up Cuba will benefit us. That is the only reason for it.

You don't know what you're talking about. There is an entire street economy going on over there trading everything from cigars to cars in hard, cold American cash. That's a fact there tough guy. You know, the kind of thing that doesn't get in the way of your ideology?

So if there was more trade, more cash, better lives for the people, it would diminish, not enhance Castros grip.

You, kind sir, are summarily, totally, and utterly retarded. A supertard, if you will.

Pip Pip!

 

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You don't know what you're talking about. There is an entire street economy going on over there trading everything from cigars to cars in hard, cold American cash. That's a fact there tough guy. You know, the kind of thing that doesn't get in the way of your ideology?

So if there was more trade, more cash, better lives for the people, it would diminish, not enhance Castros grip.

You, kind sir, are summarily, totally, and utterly retarded. A supertard, if you will.

Pip Pip!

That's it, call names and make claims you cannot support! Way to show your ass there beef butt! Castro has done a great job of oppressing his people and of preventing wealth to flourish! YOU CANNOT TRADE ANYTHING IN CUBA unless it is government sanctioned, including black market trade! There is no flourishing street trade...nice try.

I have no problem with lifting the trade embargo, I just have a problem with claiming it will allow the Cuban people to have a better life. They will have whatever life the government of Cuba dictates. It is American's and the Cuban government who will benefit.

Cuba's New Revolutionaries

 

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They own the military, you tell me what they'll be able to do? Look, open up trade. Just don't be among those who claim to be doing it for the benefit of Cuban's. They will only benefit as much as the Cuban government decides they will benefit, to claim otherwise is spurious.

do you believe the cuban government can withstand open borders with capitalism and ideas? imagine instead...the boats going the other direction, castro style government will fail. IMO, castro has been in power so long is a direct result of US policies. when the iron curtain went down, our policies regarding cuba should also have gone down.

 

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That's it, call names and make claims you cannot support! Way to show your ass there beef butt! Castro has done a great job of oppressing his people and of preventing wealth to flourish! YOU CANNOT TRADE ANYTHING IN CUBA unless it is government sanctioned, including black market trade! There is no flourishing street trade...nice try.

I have no problem with lifting the trade embargo, I just have a problem with claiming it will allow the Cuban people to have a better life. They will have whatever life the government of Cuba dictates. It is American's and the Cuban government who will benefit.

Cuba's New Revolutionaries

Once again, your blind, lemming led ideology fogs up any semblance reality for you to espouse.

Do you know what a "black market" is? It is a market outside of government sanctioning, therefore not being sanctioned by the government:

Read this, then get back to me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_economy

And the black market in Cuba is the vast majority of economic activity. I've seen it first hand, I participated in it, and I know what I saw, not just what I read in the Limbaugh letter like a certain person who wishes to make Cubans suffer through strangulating trade restrictions.

Let me ask you this. Do you think the average Cuban is better off for this embargo, or worse off? Its a simple question. Lets see if you can answer it without referencing Hannity.com first.

 

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do you believe the cuban government can withstand open borders with capitalism and ideas? imagine instead...the boats going the other direction, castro style government will fail. IMO, castro has been in power so long is a direct result of US policies. when the iron curtain went down, our policies regarding cuba should also have gone down.

Well, we shall soon see. Just remeber that the Cuban government has withstood much in the last 50 years.

 

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Who exactly is still arguing for it?

I can't say i've ever seen anyone seriously advocating it on here. Considering some of the 'interesting' views normally expressed round these parts, that would seem to be somewhat unusual.

The older generation of Cuban exiles in southern Florida are, areguably, next to the Jewish lobby, one of the most powerful lobbies in our nation and that's who lobbies for Helms-Burton. There's two sticking points these folks are fanatical about. #1. Getting rid of the Castro regime and #2. The right of return.

They might get the first but won't get the later.

 

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Well, we shall soon see. Just remeber that the Cuban government has withstood much in the last 50 years.

because they were isolated. our embargo effectively granted them an iron curtain.

 

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Anything with Helms name on it should br repealed.

Sweet guy Jesse Helms, just one of the gentlest, nicest persons to meet. A real freaken reactionary NAZI when it comes to policy but , hey, who's perfect, right?

As long as the Cuban exiles dominate southern Florida politics then nothing is going to change with Cuba soon. At least on the US end.

 

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Sweet guy Jesse Helms, just one of the gentlest, nicest persons to meet. A real freaken reactionary NAZI when it comes to policy but , hey, who's perfect, right?

As long as the Cuban exiles dominate southern Florida politics then nothing is going to change with Cuba soon. At least on the US end.

Change will have to come funeral by funeral. But it will come. It has to.

 

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That I can agree with.

It's truly weird annie. I'm not certain I've ever come into anyone who supports the embargo. Even the Cuban I know is against it.

I know that's anecdotal, but seriously. This is ridiculous.

 

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Sweet guy Jesse Helms, just one of the gentlest, nicest persons to meet. A real freaken reactionary NAZI when it comes to policy but , hey, who's perfect, right?

As long as the Cuban exiles dominate southern Florida politics then nothing is going to change with Cuba soon. At least on the US end.

That is one of the main reasons we need to repeal the electoral college. It gives massive disproportionate influence to certain random minorities who happen to be concentrated in swing states, while other minorities, like the blacks in Mississippi, are completely and totally irrelevant. Our founders certainly outdid themselves in idiocy when they approved that dumbass policy.

 

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Sweet guy Jesse Helms, just one of the gentlest, nicest persons to meet. A real freaken reactionary NAZI when it comes to policy but , hey, who's perfect, right?

As long as the Cuban exiles dominate southern Florida politics then nothing is going to change with Cuba soon. At least on the US end.

its a byrd.....

 

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That is one of the main reasons we need to repeal the electoral college. It gives massive disproportionate influence to certain random minorities who happen to be concentrated in swing states, while other minorities, like the blacks in Mississippi, are completely and totally irrelevant. Our founders certainly outdid themselves in idiocy when they approved that dumbass policy.

you are advocating a democracy...why do you think that is better than a republic? you are advocating mob rule....ceasar would be proud