I am leaving the Republican Party

Tabasco said:
During the Bush administration we experienced unprecedented growth of government. Basically, the size of the Federal government doubled in 8 years. So again I ask you to tell me when and where limited government has failed.
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Unprecedented? Maybe in total growth. Not per capita growth. The size of the government was at one of the smallest points it had been in 30 years around the year 2000, though.

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Watermarx said:
Unprecedented? Maybe in total growth. Not per capita growth. The size of the government was at one of the smallest points it had been in 30 years around the year 2000, though.

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Unprecedented within the context of the US, not the world.
 
Watermarx said:
There's no point in joining the LP officially. You have much more influence in GOP primaries. The LP is an utterly useless venture. It has no star candidates and does little but howl anarcho-libertarianism to the moon.
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Man you really love my trademarked phrase.
 
That's what the Tea Parties all over the US are all about on the 15th. Less taxes and smaller government.

Tabasco said:
I'll continue to vote in GOP primaries, but until the GOP returns to its principles of limited government, individual liberty and free markets, I will not waste any more of my time with them. I am considering joining the Libertarian Party. For the time being, I am an independent.

This decision is the result of much thought and discussion, including discussions I've had on this site.
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I agree with Water on the importance of voting in GOP primaries. I think a lot of people shook things up, not just in the Paul campaign, but in the McCain and Huckabee campaigns, neither of which were supported by the establishment...
 
TuTu Monroe said:
I've seen that sign here too. Obama is just starting with his trillions.
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I am going to join in our local Tea Party in Olympia. The more people that attend, the harder it will be for the media to ignore them; which I think they will try to do with mediocre coverage.
 
Tabasco said:
I'll continue to vote in GOP primaries, but until the GOP returns to its principles of limited government, individual liberty and free markets, I will not waste any more of my time with them. I am considering joining the Libertarian Party. For the time being, I am an independent.

This decision is the result of much thought and discussion, including discussions I've had on this site.
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You should consider the Conservative Party.
 
evince said:
It used to be a decent party about 30 years ago.

Now its a joke.

Limited government is not going to be part of America ever again.

We need to figure out how to deliver the promise of a decent life and limited government has proven its failure.

When you learn that one you may finally get "It".
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Take a look in the mirror you partisan twit, both dominant parties are jokes, mere shadows of formally decent ideals and promise. Their interest no longer lies with what is best for this country and it's people, it lies with getting power, keeping power, and getting rich while doing both. When you learn that one, you may finally get "It."
 
Norman Paperman said:
Take a look in the mirror you partisan twit, both dominant parties are jokes, mere shadows of formally decent ideals and promise. Their interest no longer lies with what is best for this country and it's people, it lies with getting power, keeping power, and getting rich while doing both. When you learn that one, you may finally get "It."
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Correction; she's a partisan cradle to grave twit.
 
As a lifelong member of the Democrat Party, I LOVE to see the neocons splintering into tiny ineffective hate groups.

Thanks for making America's future permanantly Democratic!
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belme1201 said:
2001-2008....... Very limited!
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Over-reaching and just barely less than Obama is placing. The wiretapping continues unabated and now with the argument that a citizen has no power to sue if they are unlawfully and without warrant spied upon.

2001 to 2008 was one of the largest growths of government power in a very long time.

This idea that somehow the R party was following the principles of the people who voted for them is silly. Bush, a wartime president, just barely won re-election and they had to try to get the uber-religious super government growing "religious right" to vote for them by putting anti-gay legislation on ballots in swing states to do it. There was no way they would have even beat Kerry without scrooging out the prays-more crowd who vote for only people who pray more than they think the rest of the population does.

There was no way to synchronize the wishes of the republican voter with the way our party acted for those 8 years. And for that they paid, and paid hugely in 2008 elections.
 
Damocles said:
Bush, a wartime president, just barely won re-election and they had to try to get the uber-religious super government growing "religious right" to vote for them by putting anti-gay legislation on ballots in swing states to do it. There was no way they would have even beat Kerry without scrooging out the prays-more crowd who vote for only people who pray more than they think the rest of the population does.
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The vote of the so called "religious right" was the same in 2000 as 2004. The fact that you make these nauseating ignorant slams against people of faith is undeserved, both in its lack of knowledge and its overt bias.

I pray and ...GASP... I can also think.

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Ice Dancer said:
The vote of the so called "religious right" was the same in 2000 as 2004. The fact that you make these nauseating ignorant slams against people of faith is undeserved, both in its lack of knowledge and its overt bias.

I pray and ...GASP... I can also think.

7 myths about religious voters
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Then you are not part of the crowd of which I speak. Taking every mention of the pray-mores personally will make you crazy. Seriously, I am not anti-religion, I am pro first Amendment, pro second Amendment, pro 5th Amendment, and fourth.... (I think you might be able to figure out the rest of the list.)

Most of us pray in one form or another.

A portion of your "myths" doesn't take into effect the increase in the specific states that I spoke of, those they put those laws on the ballot for a draw other than mentioning that it was "slightly higher than average". It is my belief that in states without those, some of the pray-mores didn't go out to vote. These averaged out.

Any person who believes that Bush was a conservative as he grew the power of the government alarmingly in order to create "security" is IMO beyond belief.

The same quote I use for Obama, I've used for Bush for some time now.

"Those who give up essential liberty for security, deserve neither."
 
Ice Dancer said:
The vote of the so called "religious right" was the same in 2000 as 2004. The fact that you make these nauseating ignorant slams against people of faith is undeserved, both in its lack of knowledge and its overt bias.

I pray and ...GASP... I can also think.

7 myths about religious voters
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People of faith that feel it is the place of the government to save my soul and get us to believe what they do. They don't believe in people making adult decisions for themselves, instead they think that the government must legislate ever last moral issue as if that were the business of the government. If you don't believe in Gay Marriage, don't marry someone of the same sex. If you don't believe in abortion, adopt an unwanted child, hell adopt two. Oh and don't have a fucking abortion.
 
Damocles said:
Then you are not part of the crowd of which I speak. Taking every mention of the pray-mores personally will make you crazy. Seriously, I am not anti-religion, I am pro first Amendment.

Most of us pray in one form or another.

A portion of your "myths" doesn't take into effect the increase in the specific states that I spoke of, those they put those laws on the ballot for a draw other than mentioning that it was "slightly higher than average". It is my belief that in states without those, some of the pray-mores didn't go out to vote. These averaged out.

Any person who believes that Bush was a conservative as he grew the power of the government alarmingly in order to create "security" is IMO beyond belief.

The same quote I use for Obama, I've used for Bush for some time now.

"Those who give up essential liberty for security, deserve neither."
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Which states are you speaking of?

I believe Bush was a conservative. I believe that he reacted after 9/11. The PA, as I said, was a huge misadventure that has now allowed exactly what I predicted i.e. given a way for government to gain even more power over the lives of the private sector and individual. That said, I think he was between a rock and a hard spot...he should have gone with the hard spot, rounded up foreign nationals from known terrorist sponsoring states and shipped them home; closed our borders to them until said nations got terrorism under control in their own nations. If he had he would have spared the constitution being irreversibly weakened, though he would have been just as hated for this action too.
 
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