60% of Americans did not go to college.

Walt said:
The interaction with the other students is part of the learning. The Greeks would have argued it was the most important

The Greeks first created the Western Liberal educational system, where they taught the liberal arts. Before conservatives get upset, liberal here means "free" as opposed to "slave". The opposite of the liberal arts (things a free person needs to know) would be the servile arts(studies for slaves).

The Greeks had all sorts of government systems that their free people participated in, republics, democracies, oligarchies, theocracies, constitutional monarchies, etc. But all these systems were political in some way. Debate was the most important skill that a free person could have, so that was the center of their education.

To train in debate, students need to interact with each other. There needs to be diversity of views and backgrounds, so literally the quota system began at the same time as the Western educational system. This diversity and debate created an ever evolving system that has made it the envy of the world, along being a huge headache for those that govern.

The Middle Eastern system did not use quotas. It strove to pick the best students, without any thought to diversity. That meant it kept picking the same type of students, as old teachers picked students like themselves. Their system does not evolve, and that becomes a problem over time.
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"LIBERAL ARTS DEGREE" = SERVING COFFEE AT STARBUCKS.


TOO STUPID TO MAJOR IN ANY HARD SCIENCES...THE KIND THAT TAKE ACTUAL INTELLIGENCE....
 
Mott the Hoople said:
True that. Much of my education has no real market value but a lot of my education helped develop me as a more rounded person and has benefited my life in ways that you just can't put a price tag on.

Though I do understand why those who don't have a college education are resentful towards some who are arrogant about their education and behave as if that makes them a better person than they are. I agree with them. They are right to be resentful towards such snobs.
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What's the old saying, "How do you know someone went to Harvard? They'll tell you within five minutes of meeting them."

I'm not going to lie, in my mind I've "looked down" on friends that went to places like Chico St, Cal State Hayward, Fresno St etc. Of course people who went to Stanford or the Ivies laugh at schools like USC. So it's all relative.

But you can't tell me some rich spoiled kid whose daddy paid $50K/yr for his schooling growing up and then used all his money and connections to get his kid into a top flight school is necessarily a better person than some kid who grew up in a family with no money and no connections and this kid worked his butt off all his life to support himself and his family (but didn't include going to college).
 
Matt Dillon said:
I have a theory the curriculum was harder back in the day.
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I believe Boomers were the ultimate idiot generation.
Because the upper classes already began having less kids during the Boomer era.
But, abortion had yet to weed out lower class babies.

Not that I support abortion it's disgusting & diminished a generation that needed to be replaced by immigrants.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The problem with millennials is that they mostly had shit parents, and they went to schools that were wrecked on purpose by the radical left that has no interest in individuals being educated. The collapse of Christianity in America very likely is a primary cause as well, though we could argue that point.
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Of course a lot of Millennials had sh!t parents a lot of divorce, single mothers who worked & couldn't take care of their children very much.

But, that's Boomers they attacked Conservative & Patriarchal values as hippies.
 
Jan Sobieski said:
I believe Boomers were the ultimate idiot generation.
Because the upper classes already began having less kids during the Boomer era.
But, abortion had yet to weed out lower class babies.

Not that I support abortion it's disgusting & diminished a generation that needed to be replaced by immigrants.
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I'm a boomer and always a little puzzled when I hear their progeny dis them 24/7. Wealth begets wealth.....the lion's share of our upper class today arrived on the scene flush with cash courtesy of Brokaw's 'Greatest Generation'....like most all Ivy League grads for example. Boomers were actually out in streets fighting and raising hell over Vietnam and economic inequality.....when they were today's Millennial age. We had to go through Reagan's two recessions, then started having kids and then had to go to work and pay to raise the same kids bashing them today. This always happens btw.
 
cawacko said:
What's the old saying, "How do you know someone went to Harvard? They'll tell you within five minutes of meeting them."

I'm not going to lie, in my mind I've "looked down" on friends that went to places like Chico St, Cal State Hayward, Fresno St etc. Of course people who went to Stanford or the Ivies laugh at schools like USC. So it's all relative.

But you can't tell me some rich spoiled kid whose daddy paid $50K/yr for his schooling growing up and then used all his money and connections to get his kid into a top flight school is necessarily a better person than some kid who grew up in a family with no money and no connections and this kid worked his butt off all his life to support himself and his family (but didn't include going to college).
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To put it another way, I came from a poor working class back ground and before my father succeeded to rise to middle class I was already college age. So I went to an average State University busted my butt in a STEM field and went on to graduate studies and I'm damned proud of what I accomplished. It took a lot of hard work and sacrifice.

But in no way have I ever thought that its made me better than anyone else. Maybe that is reflected in the fact that most of my friends don't have a college education. Though I have quite a few who do. Some of those who don't earn far more than I do but even my friends who don't have a college education respect that I was talented in the life sciences and always have been so no one was surprised that this is what I pursued as a career path. I can enjoy myself as much at an old fashioned hog roast as I can an evening at a four star restaurant.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
True that. Much of my education has no real market value but a lot of my education helped develop me as a more rounded person and has benefited my life in ways that you just can't put a price tag on.

Though I do understand why those who don't have a college education are resentful towards some who are arrogant about their education and behave as if that makes them a better person than they are. I agree with them. They are right to be resentful towards such snobs.
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In colonial days that was a big part of education. College made you into a well-read all around educated person. They respected speaking and reading more than one language. Philosophy. science and reading classics were respected. Now college is a very, very expensive apprenticeship. You see people here scoffing at those who went to broaden themselves.
Why did you take philosophy and logic? What did you learn from English and History classes? The answer is a hell of a lot.
 
reagansghost said:
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I'm a boomer and always a little puzzled when I hear their progeny dis them 24/7. Wealth begets wealth.....the lion's share of our upper class today arrived on the scene flush with cash courtesy of Brokaw's 'Greatest Generation'....like most all Ivy League grads for example. Boomers were actually out in streets fighting and raising hell over Vietnam and economic inequality.....when they were today's Millennial age. We had to go through Reagan's two recessions, then started having kids and then had to go to work and pay to raise the same kids bashing them today. This always happens btw.
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Boomers voted for Amnesty Reagan twice.
 
Nordberg said:
In colonial days that was a big part of education. College made you into a well-read all around educated person. They respected speaking and reading more than one language. Philosophy. science and reading classics were respected. Now college is a very, very expensive apprenticeship. You see people here scoffing at those who went to broaden themselves.
Why did you take philosophy and logic? What did you learn from English and History classes? The answer is a hell of a lot.
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College these days is Commie indoctrination. They don't teach the same way of solving problems. That's the problem.

College these days doesn't make you a well rounded individual, it makes you an obtuse moron, most likely.

Why is my cousin that got a doctorate so smart? Oh yeah! He was 4 years before me and it went to shit several years after me.

Not long, but some years after I went to school it went to shit!
 
I hate to rain on the condescension parade here, but going to college will not make an idiot suddenly become intelligent or perceptive.
For many, it's just the purchase of a piece of paper that verifies attendance.
 
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