A world without bailouts & stimulus

It's a given that there is a segment of the population that will not give Obama credit when the economy rebounds.

For the present moment, things are looking better than they were 1-2 months ago. Not only is the market enjoying what looks like it could be a 4th straight week of gains, but other indicators such has housing sales, consumer confidence and retail have levelled off, a promising sign.

Is there anyone who really thinks that we'd see optimistic signs this early if 3-4 more major banks (or more), and both Chrysler & GM had been allowed to fail over the past few months?

The Dow would be at 36,000.
 
They have a large supply, self made, so it is not as valuable as the bullets!
 
During the previous administration, when they kept calling the economy booming because the market was high and corporate profits were up, the opposition correctly pointed out that the market and corporate bottom line, by themselves, were not an appropriate measure of the health of the economy.

Now these self same critics, who wisely pointed out that the factors of sub-management level wages, unemployment, retirement funds, and all the other things that have been languishing for the past two decades, are now ignoring the fact that the same middle-income indicators are even worse off and going down fast while praising the turn around in the market as indication that the fucking of the American tax payer through the next 4 generations is "working".

NO it is not working. A turn around in stock prices does NOT indicate a better economic outlook while unemployment jumps another couple points, and while the news is running programs actually praising workers for being willing to take pay cuts and reduce their benefits to prevent layoffs. (wonder how the media would have treated such stories if they'd happened 4 years ago - I'll bet it would not have been with words of praise!)

In short, you Obama worshippers are full of fucking shit. The economy sucks. Runaway inflation is on its way (the natural result of pumping several trillion non-existent dollars into the black hole of corporate upper management.) Double digit unemployment already exists in several areas. (Unsurprisingly, the areas most commonly led by the same idiotic short sighted fools we just elected to the District of Corruption.

Meanwhile you conveniently ignore how many nominations have been withdrawn because of corruption of the nominees. You (and the ever-so-truthful media) carefully ignore the fact that gas prices have gone up over 35% since January.

Wake up, pull your heads out of Obama's ass, and take a good hard look at reality. The economy is in the shitter and sinking fast while your beloved leader is pulling the flush handle. NOTHING is going to be "fixed" by throwing around a bunch of money it will take our great-great-great grandchildren to pay back.
 
The bolded is EXACTLY why I use technical trading. We take those emotions out of the investment decision.

I don't by this smart boy routine. The bull will be long off and running by the time you smell his dropping on your chat/weji board. I believe in fundementals first and foremost.
 
I don't by this smart boy routine. The bull will be long off and running by the time you smell his dropping on your chat/weji board. I believe in fundementals first and foremost.

So you should understand that without undoing globalist fanatacism and letting americans have jobs, we are lost.
 
I don't by this smart boy routine. The bull will be long off and running by the time you smell his dropping on your chat/weji board. I believe in fundementals first and foremost.

Again, you really should not discuss a topic on which you clearly know so little. Your ignorance is shining bright for all to see.
 
I don't by this smart boy routine. The bull will be long off and running by the time you smell his dropping on your chat/weji board. I believe in fundementals first and foremost.

If you were truly trading on fundamentals, you would not be invested in the market right now as the overall fundamentals are still very weak.
 
If you were truly trading on fundamentals, you would not be invested in the market right now as the overall fundamentals are still very weak.

Isn't there a sense, however, that the current market is over-sold, and that many stocks are as dirt-cheap as they ever will be?

I'm an amateur investor (at best), but it seems to me that emotion is a HUGE part of the market, whether it's the irrational exuberance of the '90's (though yes, the fundamentals were good then, as well), or the fear of the past 6 months. I don't know that you can take the emotion out of investing; even if you do it on a personal level, the overall market is often driven by it, so it just seems that even the smart, unemotional investor would recognize that & invest accordingly.
 
Isn't there a sense, however, that the current market is over-sold, and that many stocks are as dirt-cheap as they ever will be?

I'm an amateur investor (at best), but it seems to me that emotion is a HUGE part of the market, whether it's the irrational exuberance of the '90's (though yes, the fundamentals were good then, as well), or the fear of the past 6 months. I don't know that you can take the emotion out of investing; even if you do it on a personal level, the overall market is often driven by it, so it just seems that even the smart, unemotional investor would recognize that & invest accordingly.

Invest on irrational exuberance if you want it all to collapse again. Go ahead, be a fool.
 
Isn't there a sense, however, that the current market is over-sold, and that many stocks are as dirt-cheap as they ever will be?

I'm an amateur investor (at best), but it seems to me that emotion is a HUGE part of the market, whether it's the irrational exuberance of the '90's (though yes, the fundamentals were good then, as well), or the fear of the past 6 months. I don't know that you can take the emotion out of investing; even if you do it on a personal level, the overall market is often driven by it, so it just seems that even the smart, unemotional investor would recognize that & invest accordingly.

No, you cannot take all emotion out of the market. The point is to take YOUR emotion out of your investment decisions. The point is, that no matter who you are, you do not know as much as the market on the whole. Thus, don't fight it.

You are correct in that emotion (investor psychology) is a big part of what drives the market one way or another. This is why looking predominantly at fundamentals can get you killed. Just look to 1999 for numerous examples.

Fundamentals told you to get out of the market in late 1998 due to the insane values being placed on equities (especially within tech/telecom/internet). But the technicals told you to stay in the market. Many times fundamentals and technicals will both point in the same direction. But when they diverge, which do you listen to?

There is a reason why the saying is 'don't fight the trend'. It made little fundamental sense for oil to rise to $148 last year... yet it did. It made little fundamental sense for oil to drop under $40 after hitting $148... yet it did.
 
onceler:

thank you for the link to where we can monitor the money...i could not though find anywhere on the site where i could actually monitor what money has gone where and how that money has been spent...and where are any of the projects listed and how much has been spent?
 
onceler:

thank you for the link to where we can monitor the money...i could not though find anywhere on the site where i could actually monitor what money has gone where and how that money has been spent...and where are any of the projects listed and how much has been spent?

LOL

Let me be Yurt for a moment: "I bet you could if it was a conservative site! Party over country for you."

Click on "News". There are about 4-5 articles per page, detailing money disbursements. In case you don't see it, there are #'s at the bottom (1, 2, 3, 4, 5...) - each one links to a different page of articles.
 
If you were truly trading on fundamentals, you would not be invested in the market right now as the overall fundamentals are still very weak.

your a used car salesman, investing is ownership. Take a look at the S&P 500 there are a shitload of great companies. The market is vastly underpriced right now due to the stealing/gambling by banks.
Keep reading your charts, when it says up 40% you'll get back in.
 
LOL

Let me be Yurt for a moment: "I bet you could if it was a conservative site! Party over country for you."

Click on "News". There are about 4-5 articles per page, detailing money disbursements. In case you don't see it, there are #'s at the bottom (1, 2, 3, 4, 5...) - each one links to a different page of articles.

how sweet...imitation is the sincerest from of flattery...
 
your a used car salesman, investing is ownership. Take a look at the S&P 500 there are a shitload of great companies. The market is vastly underpriced right now due to the stealing/gambling by banks.
Keep reading your charts, when it says up 40% you'll get back in.

Yes, there a lot of great companies in the S&P... and what has that gotten you over the past 18 months? The past 12 years? The answer you fucking tool is down 50% and flat.

You have said multiple times that you haven't simply bought and held over that timeframe. That you have gotten out at times.... what you are too fucking stupid to realize is that what you are doing is timing. Based on the information that your tiny little brain is able to process.

Side note dipshit... I have said multiple times that the short term technicals are bullish... which means we are in the market dumbass. (note, not 100% in and most certainly not exposed to the entire S&P) However, the long term technicals are still bearish... which means we are ready to get back out when the short term flips. While you will still be sitting on your stocks taking it up the ass again because you are too fucking ignorant to listen to someone who understands the difference between a secular bear market and a bull market.

Second side note retard... did you know that during the great depression there were two seperate times that the market rallied in excess of 100% only to turn around and give it all back?
 
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