A world without bailouts & stimulus

Topspin said:
hard core market timers technisians will miss 30% of the move as not confirmed before they get in.
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Incorrect. Technical trading can be done on a daily basis. While we are not 100% in the market, we are not missing this rally entirely either....

Side note... you really should stop commenting on technical trading until you at least educate yourself on the basics.
 
Topspin said:
The chartology might say long term bear.
But I'm in Oncelor's the optomist camp.
Check out the listing of the S&P 500, there are great names up and down. IT's trading at 8.8 times when historically it's in the low teens.
I say that says HUGE rally ahead.
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The bolded is EXACTLY why I use technical trading. We take those emotions out of the investment decision.
 
Onceler said:
These aren't questions:

"the ones you most likely compllained about when bush implemented as they only benefited the corps and wealthy, now obama does the same thing = good"

"i believed you said it"

There are no question marks, an there is nothing inquisitive about these statements. They are assumptions, not questions.

The market did not go "right back down." If current gains hold up, this will be the FOURTH STRAIGHT WEEK that the Dow will end up higher. The trend for a month now has been up.

The 500 pt. upswing on that day was directly attributed to Geithner's plan by pretty much every investor. I'll find some quotes if you would like. Every interim loss in the past 3+ weeks has been followed by new gains. The trend is up; the market is definitely responding favorably not only to Obama's plans, but to improving economic indicators.

You lose.
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why are you so obsessed with this win/lose thing?

do you then also blame obama when the market went back down? it closed down near the same amount days later...further, are you conveniently forgetting when the market went down after geico kept saying fluff with no plan? the djia was around 8000....hmmmm, right about where we are now....so if anything (using your logic), obama has "corrected" his screw up.

with that said, i don't believe you can attribute the upswing or downswing solely on presidential action.
 
"with that said, i don't believe you can attribute the upswing or downswing solely on presidential action. "

Of course you don't. You also don't think Obama has done anything specific to address the economy, that there isn't a website for the stimulus, and that nothing from the stimulus has been implemented yet. You also think everything done on the economy since January is "Bush's plans."

Party before country; thanks for letting us know.
 
Onceler said:
"with that said, i don't believe you can attribute the upswing or downswing solely on presidential action. "

Of course you don't. You also don't think Obama has done anything specific to address the economy, that there isn't a website for the stimulus, and that nothing from the stimulus has been implemented yet. You also think everything done on the economy since January is "Bush's plans."

Party before country; thanks for letting us know.
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from the one who has refused twice now to lay blame for the market going down.... on obama....and who conveniently refuses to talk about how the market is actually back to where it was before obama screwed up

i just love how you cut out the stuff from people's post you can't deal with...
 
Yurt said:
from the one who has refused twice now to lay blame for the market going down.... on obama....and who conveniently refuses to talk about how the market is actually back to where it was before obama screwed up

i just love how you cut out the stuff from people's post you can't deal with...
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for someone who just said that you didn't think that you could atrtribute market swings to the president, why are you trying to say that the market moved down because of some obama screw up?
 
Epicurus said:
We really will never know. I don't know if we would have started a recovery yet without the bailout and stimulus, but it still could have been a better long term option to do nothing.
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Seriously, let the strong survive. I just hope you aren't one of them they come after when they are hungry.

You know why lawyers don't go to the beach?

Cats keep trying to bury them!
 
Yurt said:
from the one who has refused twice now to lay blame for the market going down.... on obama....and who conveniently refuses to talk about how the market is actually back to where it was before obama screwed up

i just love how you cut out the stuff from people's post you can't deal with...
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Why do I try to discuss anything with you? You won't address that you:
- lied about Obama's plans not being implemented yet
- lied about there being no website for the stimulus
- lied about my support of Bush's bailout in the fall
- lied about the market trends over the past month
- clearly blame Obama for any downturn in the market, but - if it goes up - it was because of BUSH'S PLANS!

Lying is a really bad habit with you. It can definitely spiral; once you start lying all of the time, it just gets easier & easier.

Anyhoo, there was definitely a time when the market reacted negatively to Obama's plans - when Geithner 1st came out w/ the bank plan, w/out specifics. The market was relatively neutral on the stimulus, but otherwise reacted to a wide variety of very bad economic news. It's laughable that you don't recognize that, but try to make the position that ALL of the drop has been due to Obama (even though Presidents don't really influence it that much, right?), and it's JUST recovering now from all of the drop Obama caused.

Bottom line: the market IS rebounding, the fundamentals ARE getting better, and Obama's actions ARE making a difference. They aren't "Bush's plans."
 
seriously...all you did was ignore again the market down swings and how we are back to where obama screwed up....

assuming your theory that the prez is responsible for the rise of the market.

all did you was whine about purported lies....nothing of substance. all insult and not debate.....ignore anything that makes your point wrong.

nice one champ!
 
Yurt said:
seriously...all you did was ignore again the market down swings and how we are back to where obama screwed up....

assuming your theory that the prez is responsible for the rise of the market.

all did you was whine about purported lies....nothing of substance. all insult and not debate.....ignore anything that makes your point wrong.

nice one champ!
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wow...for a guy who made his reputation as someone who calls EVERYBODY a liar, it sure is interesting how you won't just admit to your own prolific lies. sad. you need to realize that "debate" such as yours that consists primarily of lies, isn't really substantive.

As Lorax so succinctly said, the market did negatively react to Geithner's non-specific plan... and it has reacted positively to many other actions by the administration. We've a long way to go, but party first hacks like YOU have been blaming Obama for everything since before he was even inaugurated. It does get old yurt.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
depends on who comes first. If the bed wetting liberals come, i'll throw shit. That should be enough for them to leave. If the gov comes, well......
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If you are smarter than me, why do fear liberals? Why do you demonize them? To me, this is ignorance. To fear your neighbors and co-workers. To threaten them with shit, pretty dumb to me. I don't fear people like you, I find them amusing and pity them for their superstitions! and their fear for fear itself. A commodity to the likes of you.
 
froggie said:
If you are smarter than me, why do fear liberals? Why do you demonize them? To me, this is ignorance. To fear your neighbors and co-workers. To threaten them with shit, pretty dumb to me. I don't fear people like you, I find them amusing and pity them for their superstitions! and their fear for fear itself. A commodity to the likes of you.
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I do not fear liberals. I threaten them with shit because I wouldn't need to waste bullets on them.
 
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