“Trump won’t say the one thing that could really calm down his followers”

Hello Darth Omar,

Darth Omar said:
I’ll settle for changing the way we do elections.

Our election ‘laws’ and the way we hold elections are an international embarrassment.
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I disagree. It's 50 separate elections. The States run them as they see fit. The only changes I would like to see would encourage more voting, not less. Republican voter suppression is out of hand. We know why they do that. The larger the election, the less chance Republicans have to win. Trump lost because he motivated more people to vote against him than for him.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
There are certainly a lot of elements it was planned, meaning the attack on the Capitol was premeditated and coordinated.

A mob's IQ is inversely correlated with the size of the mob. You can't easily stop a stampede, but you can easily start one.

Remember a few old westerns which used a cattle stampede to wipe out the "injuns" or the "settlers"? The goal was to initiate a stampede toward an objective, a target. Then all that needed to be done was 1) stay out of the way and 2) either follow close behind to achieve further objectives or remain well clear to avoid further risks or consequences.

Starting a stampede requires elements. In a cattle stampede, the more cattle the better. Scare them so much they run on pure emotion. For cattle, fear is the best emotion to motivate because it, like a virus, it spreads fast and takes over any thoughts of caution. They panic.

People are easily motivated by fear but they are also easily motivated by anger. Anger that has been whipped up for almost 30 years. Trump didn't build that anger, but as he has so often done, he's exploited it for his own benefit. Since it benefitted him, he's spent the past four years maximizing it. The attack on the Capitol was his masterpiece. The final act of a showman so great that he won't easily be forgotten.

Here's the funniest part. Salesmanship is Trump's superpower. He's not very smart otherwise. He sees weaknesses and exploits them to his own end. Past that, he's a big blob that harms everyone around him, including his own family. Trump did what he always does; pass the work down and take any credit when he likes. He'll throw Other People's Money at the problem but spending as little as possible of his own. Hire someone to take care of it, even his own kid, then walk away like the Stormy Daniels "problem".

IMO, worked backwards, this chain will prove to be the undoing of someone in the Trump family. My #1 pick is Junior with Ivanka as #2. She's certainly got what a lot of Trump's idiots would die for. ;)

Jared is the smartest and, like Pence, turn a blind eye and walk away. Just my two cents worth.
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Trump is the living epitome of Alexander Hamilton's concern:

Hamilton: "The truth unquestionably is, that the only path to a subversion of the republican system of the Country is, by flattering the prejudices of the people, and exciting their jealousies and apprehensions, to throw affairs into confusion, and bring on civil commotion. Tired at length of anarchy, or want of government, they may take shelter in the arms of monarchy for repose and security.

Those then, who resist a confirmation of public order, are the true Artificers of monarchy—not that this is the intention of the generality of them. Yet it would not be difficult to lay the finger upon some of their party who may justly be suspected. When a man unprincipled in private life, desperate in his fortune, bold in his temper, possessed of considerable talents, having the advantage of military habits—despotic in his ordinary demeanour—known to have scoffed in private at the principles of liberty—when such a man is seen to mount the hobby horse of popularity—to join in the cry of danger to liberty—to take every opportunity of embarrassing the General Government & bringing it under suspicion—to flatter and fall in with all the non sense of the zealots of the day—It may justly be suspected that his object is to throw things into confusion that he may “ride the storm and direct the whirlwind.”"
 
If Trump said the one thing we the reasonable want him to say I don't think it would calm down his most ardent followers.

It would probably set them off.
 
archives said:
Not that it would matter, for the reasons I stated above, but did you even wonder why no one else involved in the 2020 election is seemingly still crying they were robbed, that the election was fixed? Democrats and Republicans won and lost, but it seems Trump is the only candidate echoing it was all fixed against him. Is it just coincidental that Trump is the only loser crying today over supposed fraudulent elections?
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Never wondered why any other republicans lost at all. It’s a silly question.

Did someone else have big leads that evaporated in important swing states?
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Darth Omar,



I disagree. It's 50 separate elections. The States run them as they see fit. The only changes I would like to see would encourage more voting, not less. Republican voter suppression is out of hand. We know why they do that. The larger the election, the less chance Republicans have to win. Trump lost because he motivated more people to vote against him than for him.
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That’s the narrative.

We need more uniformity from state to state. States shouldn’t be able to arbitrarily bend rules/make new rules ‘cuz COVID’; it’s ridiculous that a FL can be done counting relatively early while other states stop counting/start counting and it drags on through the wee hours of the morning. That sort of thing invites skepticism on the part of voters.

And it’s an international embarrassment. Even Putin was mocking us.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Dutch Uncle,



Trump is the living epitome of Alexander Hamilton's concern:

Hamilton: "The truth unquestionably is, that the only path to a subversion of the republican system of the Country is, by flattering the prejudices of the people, and exciting their jealousies and apprehensions, to throw affairs into confusion, and bring on civil commotion. Tired at length of anarchy, or want of government, they may take shelter in the arms of monarchy for repose and security.

Those then, who resist a confirmation of public order, are the true Artificers of monarchy—not that this is the intention of the generality of them. Yet it would not be difficult to lay the finger upon some of their party who may justly be suspected. When a man unprincipled in private life, desperate in his fortune, bold in his temper, possessed of considerable talents, having the advantage of military habits—despotic in his ordinary demeanour—known to have scoffed in private at the principles of liberty—when such a man is seen to mount the hobby horse of popularity—to join in the cry of danger to liberty—to take every opportunity of embarrassing the General Government & bringing it under suspicion—to flatter and fall in with all the non sense of the zealots of the day—It may justly be suspected that his object is to throw things into confusion that he may “ride the storm and direct the whirlwind.”"
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Thanks for an interesting quote. It piqued me to look it up: https://teachingamericanhistory.org/resources/zvesper/jefferson-alexander/

The fight between Jefferson and Hamilton set the stage for ideologies still running strongly through each party. Those old ideologies are threaded with, IMO, too many newer, more selfish ideologies. The result is the mess we see today; too many people thinking only of themselves and not about what they are leaving behind.

I didn't read the entire set of documents but will do so tonight.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Thanks for an interesting quote. It piqued me to look it up: https://teachingamericanhistory.org/resources/zvesper/jefferson-alexander/

The fight between Jefferson and Hamilton set the stage for ideologies still running strongly through each party. Those old ideologies are threaded with, IMO, too many more selfish ideologies. The result is the mess we see today; too many people thinking only of themselves and not about their grandchildren.

I didn't read the entire set of documents but will do so tonight.
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Carp gives me chill bumps when he puts his history professor hat on lol.
 
Michael_Panetta said:
No. Trump took something very serious--his duties as POTUS--and made it into a sham. Unless you can even be bothered to read the single article of impeachment against Trump, you really aren't informed enough to criticize it.
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Your slip is showing Mike. And your sheeple.
 
Darth Omar said:
That’s the narrative.

We need more uniformity from state to state. States shouldn’t be able to arbitrarily bend rules/make new rules ‘cuz COVID’; it’s ridiculous that a FL can be done counting relatively early while other states stop counting/start counting and it drags on through the wee hours of the morning. That sort of thing invites skepticism on the part of voters.
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Do you know why it was done this way?

Hint: One party wanted it this way, and their name rhymes with Shrepublicans.
 
Sailor said:
I have zero use for any Cheney. Dick Cheney is undoubtedly the entire reason behind the conflict in Iraq. His bloodline can only follow his political bullshit ambitions somehow.
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Agreed on Dick Cheney. Sometimes evil skips a generation.
 
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