Obama Hitler Youth

blackascoal said:
I'm not talking about the bill in this post .. and what he's saying in this video is that America needs a civilian force as strong as the military.

For what?

Forget about the bill, Obama's belief in mandatory service is scary as hell and should be LOUDLY opposed .. in my opinion.
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Oh that shit again. I'm not going there. I've talked about that sentence enough.
 
Dungheap said:
Oh that shit again. I'm not going there. I've talked about that sentence enough.
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I wasn't just asking you brother.

Can anyone explain why we need a civilian force as strong as the military .. or why Obama's belief that he knows best for America's youth shouldn't be LOUDLY opposed?
 
blackascoal said:
I wasn't just asking you brother.

Can anyone explain why we need a civilian force as strong as the military .. or why Obama's belief that he knows best for America's youth shouldn't be LOUDLY opposed?
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Because it is his considered opinion that Obama does not mean what he says. We definitely argued this before. Nothing the man does deserves any sort of criticism, nothing he says can possibly mean what we think it means even if it is direct, and nothing he does will ever maintain anything but support from him. Thankfully more than just he reads our conversations.
 
Damocles said:
Because it is his considered opinion that Obama does not mean what he says. We definitely argued this before. Nothing the man does deserves any sort of criticism, nothing he says can possibly mean what we think it means even if it is direct, and nothing he does will ever maintain anything but support from him. Thankfully more than just he reads our conversations.
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As I've said any number of times now, Obama certainly deserves all sorts of criticism of his actual policies. That's not what you offered with that garbage.
 
Dungheap said:
As I've said any number of times now, Obama certainly deserves all sorts of criticism of his actual policies. That's not what you offered with that garbage.
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So tell us all about it. Which of his policies do you think deserve criticism? We might even agree on some of them.

I personally think that government-required "charity" programming (depending on which are the 'approved' charities they must donate time to one can use this to promote their own agendas) is something about which he deserves criticism.

And saying it isn't "required" when it is set as necessary in order to gain a diploma is just ridiculous.

I can just picture the reaction if some right-winger put forward an agenda of ROTC "volunteer" work in order to graduate.
 
Damocles said:
So tell us all about it. Which of his policies do you think deserve criticism. We might even agree on some of them.

I personally think that government-required "charity" programming (depending on which are the 'approved' charities they must donate time to one can use this to promote their own agendas) is something about which he deserves criticism.
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For starters, his mandatory service proposal.

I'm not familiar with the charity thing that you are talking about. The only charity related proposal I am familiar with is the limit on tax deductions for rich folks.
 
Dungheap said:
Obama talking about it and passing legislation requiring it are two very different things. In order for mandatory service to become law, it has to be passed by Congress. This bill does not require mandatory service from anyone anywhere.
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This old copout. The time to get outraged and push back against something is in the early stages, not when you go "Oh look, congress passed it after all, gee I never thought a Democrat congress would have passed a Democrat president's initiative!".

Your chances of denying a power are much higher than reversing it, because any government initiative breeds special interests who then have a vested interest in keeping whatever it is that passed.
 
KingCondanomation said:
This old copout. The time to get outraged and push back against something is in the early stages, not when you go "Oh look, congress passed it after all, gee I never thought a Democrat congress would have passed a Democrat president's initiative!".

Your chances of denying a power are much higher than reversing it, because any government initiative breeds special interests who then have a vested interest in keeping whatever it is that passed.
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It's fine to push back against something in the early stages. I was merely pointing out that it is lying to say that this bill requires mandatory service. It doesn't. And the provision that the original post was pissed off about (albeit not the part that the linked article showed, the author was being dishonest) didn't even make it out of the House.

I will say that mandatory community service is at least an issue that important people in Congress and the President support so it is wise to get out ahead of it (unlike lots of the stuff that you post about Dano) but being dishonest doesn't help the cause.
 
Dungheap said:
As I've said any number of times now, Obama certainly deserves all sorts of criticism of his actual policies. That's not what you offered with that garbage.
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He also deserves criticism of his positions and proposals where justified before they become national policy. That was honest and intelligent during the Bush years and its honest and intelligent now.
 
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