Charles Blow: We Need A Second Great Migration

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Interesting column from Charles Blow (a progressive black writer for the NY Times). It's really long so I just posted the link. Basic premise is black people in Northern Cities should move back to the South where they will have large numbers and be able to have far more political power.

People of all stripes have been moving to the South for years because of jobs, affordable housing and lower cost of living. I question the idea that black power and advancement comes from having more black politicians but it's a big part of what's being argued here.

(I did include one portion of the column below where he responds to the question of isn't the South more racist than the North. His answer is that its not.)






We Need a Second Great Migration

Georgia illuminates the path to Black power. It lies in the South. Follow me there.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/opinion/georgia-black-political-power.html?smid=tw-share




Others have objected: Isn’t the North just better for Black people than the South?

Many Black people are leery of the South, if not afraid of it. They still have in their minds a retrograde South: dirty and dusty, overgrown and underdeveloped, a third-world region in a first-world country. They see a region that is unenlightened and repressive, overrun by religious zealots and open racists. The caricatures have calcified: hillbillies and banjos, Confederate flags and the Ku Klux Klan.

To be sure, all of that is here. But racism is more evenly distributed across the country than we are willing to admit.

It is true that in surveys, people in the North express support for fewer racially biased ideas than those in the South, but such surveys reveal only which biases people confess to, not the ones they subconsciously possess. So I asked the researchers at Project Implicit to run an analysis of their massive data set to see if there were regional differences in pro-white or anti-Black prejudice. The result, which one of the researchers described as “slightly surprising,” was that there was almost no difference in the level of bias between white people in the South and those in the Northeast or Midwest. (The bias of white people in the West was slightly lower.)

White people outside the South are more likely to say the right words, but many possess the same bigotry. Racism is everywhere. And if that’s the case, wouldn’t you rather have some real political power to address that racism? And a yard!

For decades Northern liberals have maintained the illusion of their moral superiority to justify their lack of progress in terms of racial equality. The North’s arrogant insistence that it had no race problem, or at least a minimal one, allowed a racialized police militarism to take root. It allowed housing and education segregation to flourish in supposedly “diverse” cities. It allowed for the rise of Black ghettos and concentrated poverty as well as white flight and urban disinvestment.

The supposed egalitarianism of Northern cities is a flimsy disguise for a white supremacy that diverges from its Southern counterpart only in style, not substance.

And, while the North has been stuck in its self-righteous stasis, the savagery of the South has in some ways softened, or morphed. I am careful not to position this progress as fully redemptive or restorative. White supremacy clearly still exists here, corrupting everything from criminal justice to electoral access. The “New South” — with its thriving Black middle class and increasing political power — is still more aspiration than reality.

But the wishful idealizing of a New South is no more naïve than a willful blindness to the transgressions of the Now North. As the author Jesmyn Ward wrote in 2018 in Time about her decision to leave Stanford and move back to Mississippi, American racism is an “infinite room”: “It is the bedrock beneath the soil. Racial violence and subjugation happen on the streets of St. Louis, on the sidewalks of New York City and in the BART stations of Oakland.”

Black people have traversed this country in search of a place where the hand of oppression was lightest and the spirit of prosperity was greatest, but have had to learn a bitter lesson: Racism is everywhere.
 
What's wrong with moving back to Africa? They could automatically be in the Majority.

That is not true at all Jack. Most of Africa is one party rule. And the reason most of it is a mess. Kind of like where we are heading.
 
Interesting column from Charles Blow (a progressive black writer for the NY Times). It's really long so I just posted the link. Basic premise is black people in Northern Cities should move back to the South where they will have large numbers and be able to have far more political power.

People of all stripes have been moving to the South for years because of jobs, affordable housing and lower cost of living. I question the idea that black power and advancement comes from having more black politicians but it's a big part of what's being argued here.

(I did include one portion of the column below where he responds to the question of isn't the South more racist than the North. His answer is that its not.)






We Need a Second Great Migration

Georgia illuminates the path to Black power. It lies in the South. Follow me there.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/opinion/georgia-black-political-power.html?smid=tw-share




Others have objected: Isn’t the North just better for Black people than the South?

Many Black people are leery of the South, if not afraid of it. They still have in their minds a retrograde South: dirty and dusty, overgrown and underdeveloped, a third-world region in a first-world country. They see a region that is unenlightened and repressive, overrun by religious zealots and open racists. The caricatures have calcified: hillbillies and banjos, Confederate flags and the Ku Klux Klan.

To be sure, all of that is here. But racism is more evenly distributed across the country than we are willing to admit.

It is true that in surveys, people in the North express support for fewer racially biased ideas than those in the South, but such surveys reveal only which biases people confess to, not the ones they subconsciously possess. So I asked the researchers at Project Implicit to run an analysis of their massive data set to see if there were regional differences in pro-white or anti-Black prejudice. The result, which one of the researchers described as “slightly surprising,” was that there was almost no difference in the level of bias between white people in the South and those in the Northeast or Midwest. (The bias of white people in the West was slightly lower.)

White people outside the South are more likely to say the right words, but many possess the same bigotry. Racism is everywhere. And if that’s the case, wouldn’t you rather have some real political power to address that racism? And a yard!

For decades Northern liberals have maintained the illusion of their moral superiority to justify their lack of progress in terms of racial equality. The North’s arrogant insistence that it had no race problem, or at least a minimal one, allowed a racialized police militarism to take root. It allowed housing and education segregation to flourish in supposedly “diverse” cities. It allowed for the rise of Black ghettos and concentrated poverty as well as white flight and urban disinvestment.

The supposed egalitarianism of Northern cities is a flimsy disguise for a white supremacy that diverges from its Southern counterpart only in style, not substance.

And, while the North has been stuck in its self-righteous stasis, the savagery of the South has in some ways softened, or morphed. I am careful not to position this progress as fully redemptive or restorative. White supremacy clearly still exists here, corrupting everything from criminal justice to electoral access. The “New South” — with its thriving Black middle class and increasing political power — is still more aspiration than reality.

But the wishful idealizing of a New South is no more naïve than a willful blindness to the transgressions of the Now North. As the author Jesmyn Ward wrote in 2018 in Time about her decision to leave Stanford and move back to Mississippi, American racism is an “infinite room”: “It is the bedrock beneath the soil. Racial violence and subjugation happen on the streets of St. Louis, on the sidewalks of New York City and in the BART stations of Oakland.”

Black people have traversed this country in search of a place where the hand of oppression was lightest and the spirit of prosperity was greatest, but have had to learn a bitter lesson: Racism is everywhere.

Recent results in Georgia seem to offer some credence to the author's view, it is not a new one, DuBois was arguing the same at the offset of the last Century, power came thru political means and his talent ten would start with recognized black politicians.

It would be difficult to determine if results in Georgia was due to recent migration of black voters given probably just as many nonblack people migrated at the same time, but organization among the black populace did lead to the Democrat victories

Migration is always more about economics than race, no question the Southern seemingly purple States and Arizona are due to migration, and it will continue, much to the disdain of many native residents

Read a big article on USC football in the Times yesterday (https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story/2021-01-09/clay-helton-usc-coach-football-future), seems some are enthusiastic about what lies ahead
 
Recent results in Georgia seem to offer some credence to the author's view, it is not a new one, DuBois was arguing the same at the offset of the last Century, power came thru political means and his talent ten would start with recognized black politicians.

It would be difficult to determine if results in Georgia was due to recent migration of black voters given probably just as many nonblack people migrated at the same time, but organization among the black populace did lead to the Democrat victories

Migration is always more about economics than race, no question the Southern seemingly purple States and Arizona are due to migration, and it will continue, much to the disdain of many native residents

Read a big article on USC football in the Times yesterday (https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story/2021-01-09/clay-helton-usc-coach-football-future), seems some are enthusiastic about what lies ahead

The black experience is unique in America and unlike any other group. But you can look at the Chinese and Japanese and see the discrimination they've suffered in this country, and how little political power they've held, yet had the economic success they have. I say that in the context of, to me, this idea that one day we'll get enough black politicians in office and somehow that will equate to economic advancement is more a pipe dream.

Take the '94 crime bill for instance. It's been called The New Jim Crow and an example of systemic racism yet the Congressional Black Caucus largely supported the bill. And I get that cities are different than states and the federal gov't but we've had cities with black mayors, black chief of police, black head of education and even black majorities on the boards of supervisors and those things are no panacea.

I have no issue with where people choose to live. I saw responses to this article that if it were in reverse and it was white people wanting to do this that it would be racist. As stated previously, there are lots of jobs in the South, it has a lower cost of living and more affordable housing. And for obvious reasons many black people have their roots in the South. Anecdotally I can think of a dozen friends/classmates I went to school with in Oakland that either went to Morehouse and stayed in the Atlanta area or simply migrated there after college. I understand the appeal.

(If you want to put a positive spin on it our AD Bohn wanted to fire Helton but wasn't allowed to. Now he's doing what he can to build up the support systems within the program with an eye on a new coach)
 
The black experience is unique in America and unlike any other group. But you can look at the Chinese and Japanese and see the discrimination they've suffered in this country, and how little political power they've held, yet had the economic success they have. I say that in the context of, to me, this idea that one day we'll get enough black politicians in office and somehow that will equate to economic advancement is more a pipe dream.

Take the '94 crime bill for instance. It's been called The New Jim Crow and an example of systemic racism yet the Congressional Black Caucus largely supported the bill. And I get that cities are different than states and the federal gov't but we've had cities with black mayors, black chief of police, black head of education and even black majorities on the boards of supervisors and those things are no panacea.

I have no issue with where people choose to live. I saw responses to this article that if it were in reverse and it was white people wanting to do this that it would be racist. As stated previously, there are lots of jobs in the South, it has a lower cost of living and more affordable housing. And for obvious reasons many black people have their roots in the South. Anecdotally I can think of a dozen friends/classmates I went to school with in Oakland that either went to Morehouse and stayed in the Atlanta area or simply migrated there after college. I understand the appeal.

(If you want to put a positive spin on it our AD Bohn wanted to fire Helton but wasn't allowed to. Now he's doing what he can to build up the support systems within the program to make the position more appealing to the next coach.)

It's 'all about the Money'.
Once Blacks become 'successful', they don't want to live in Ghettos or send their kids to failing schools.
I think the term 'Generational Wealth' has a lot to do with it.
Fairly 'well off' Blacks are able to take care of their children and ensure they are 'well off'.
 
I can see the logic has escaped you....again. Typical among partisan Democrats, particularly racist ones.

The Topic of the thread was 'Blacks moving to an area to gain Political Power through their numbers'.
You may not have noticed this, but there are many Black Politicians that are Republican.
 
The Topic of the thread was 'Blacks moving to an area to gain Political Power through their numbers'.
You may not have noticed this, but there are many Black Politicians that are Republican.

I know that Jack. I am sure you include them also in your blanket statement.
 
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