Make Schools More Human

My son, he goes to a private school here in Hawaii. By the time the kids reach their senior year there the parents will have paid a quarter of a million dollars for attendance.

99% of the parents are democrats. Some, many, are the 1 percenters that Bernie and his commies claim are a problem. As we regularly meet and luau together I shared my idea about homeschool funding rather than doe funding. The richest one in the group loved the idea but it would not make it passed the legislature. He is a prominent attorney involved in our rail system that was dropped on the community. The amount of cronies money going through elite rich democrat fingers is absolutely staggering.

Like you, they really don’t give a Biden about the education of children in America. It’s all about union votes for more money in their hundred million dollar accounts.

I have a good time with them tho. They love pulling out the blue bottles of JW like it’s water. Good fun nice guys just greedy pragmatists.


Blessin’s
 
cawacko said:
Are you saying level of funding determines whether a school chooses a science based curriculum? Not saying it doesn’t but I’ve never heard a school say we’d like to have a science based curriculum but don’t because we can’t afford it.
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Level of funding determines how up-to-date a curriculum will be and also the level of resources to teach it.

Example; kids in zip code 90210 may receive and iPad on the first day of school whereas kids in the nation's poorest zip code have a 50% drop out rate.

BTW, that zip is 100% racially "white" https://www.towncharts.com/Pennsylvania/Education/15929-Zipcode-PA-Education-data.html
 
BidenPresident said:
"The first lesson that the pandemic has revealed is the limits of one-size-fits-all schooling. Some students have actually liked not being in school — the lack of social pressure and anxiety has made them more able to focus on learning. Some were miserably lonely at home and couldn’t wait for school to reopen. More reticent students have really liked being able to type into the chat instead of talking, and some students have thrived in the small groups afforded by virtual breakout rooms.

When we reopen schools, could we do so in a way that creates different kinds of opportunities for all kinds of students — introverts and extroverts, fast processors and reflective thinkers?"
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What a beautiful idea. Early childhood educators learn quickly how to tell which children learn best one way and which in other ways. Moms can do this too, of course.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Level of funding determines how up-to-date a curriculum will be and also the level of resources to teach it.

Example; kids in zip code 90210 may receive and iPad on the first day of school whereas kids in the nation's poorest zip code have a 50% drop out rate.

BTW, that zip is 100% racially "white" https://www.towncharts.com/Pennsylvania/Education/15929-Zipcode-PA-Education-data.html
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I'm responding to your point about science based curriculum (that doesn't have anything to do with ethnicity to my knowledge, unless one argues certain ethnic groups can't handle a science based curriculum but I don't think that's what you're arguing). I've not heard science based curriculum discussed when people talk about school reform or the major driver of education. Maybe there are places in the country that don't have a science based curriculum but it doesn't get much press.
 
cawacko said:
I'm responding to your point about science based curriculum (that doesn't have anything to do with ethnicity to my knowledge, unless one argues certain ethnic groups can't handle a science based curriculum but I don't think that's what you're arguing). I've not heard science based curriculum discussed when people talk about school reform or the major driver of education. Maybe there are places in the country that don't have a science based curriculum but it doesn't get much press.
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Correct science doesn't have anything to do with ethnicity. It does point out that poverty and race are not connected as several JPP assholes often assert.

Fine. What are your thoughts about the OP?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Correct science doesn't have anything to do with ethnicity. It does point out that poverty and race are not connected as several JPP assholes often assert.

Fine. What are your thoughts about the OP?
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This is what I posted earlier:

"So this author writes school reformers have a strange position of defending kids and not supporting teachers unions. I see nothing ‘strange’ about understanding there is not always an alignment of interest between the students best interest and what the unions want. The irony is he says a top down one size fits all education model doesn’t work yet that is what the teachers union have pushed for."

I agree a one size fits all isn't the best method. On one hand I get that standardized tests are a way we can attempt to measure kids equally across the country so it may be hard to completely eliminate that. But I also know not all kids learn the same way nor necessarily have the make up to excel in the classroom (and that doesn't make them bad kids or mean they can't live happy or fulfilling lives).
 
BidenPresident said:
Not everyone learns the same way.
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Correct, as the OP article points out. OTOH, schools, by their nature, have a limited range because they are limited by funding. They can't teach a 1000 students each their own way with today's level of tech. The next best way is to look at the bell curve of student learning and apply school funding where it helps the most. Some funds can be set aside for those who fall outside of the selected range but the main focus would be those who can receive the most education per dollar.

Under current rules, those decisions are primarily decided by those who provide the most funding. It's the way of the world.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Correct science doesn't have anything to do with ethnicity. It does point out that poverty and race are not connected as several JPP assholes often assert.

Fine. What are your thoughts about the OP?
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No, not really.

Some modest income nations beat an awful lot of wealthier nations by a minor to moderate degree in Scientific PISA scores.

Such as modest income China, Estonia, and Poland beat the whole of Western Europe & Southern Europe who tend to be wealthier.

But, most shocking is how low the PISA scores of wealthy Qatar & Saudi Arabia are.

See below.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro..._Student_Assessment#PISA_2018_ranking_summary
 
Peace n Safety said:
Proof that democrats don’t love people of color:

The annual cost per student is $12,000.
In real life without government bureaucracy it probably costs about $3000.

The median annual income of a black man in the south is $30,000.

Let’s say he and his baby mama ha four kids who they love and do their best to care for. It is expedient for them not to marry because this frees up welfare and medical asst. But it does not improve the dad’s income which leads the family into endless poverty.

If I were king, the couple would have to be married, one parent would have to be employed full time, and I would take that $12k and give it to the black family (or white, yellow, purple and green, like the song you know the thing, Jesus loves the little children), that becomes $48,000 additional income for this father to focus on raising his children instead of making a decision to pay for car registration vs food. Which we all know gets dad pulled over and shot by the systemic policy of killin blacks by police across the fruited plain.

Yea. I’m glad you lefty’s thought of that. You’re welcome.

And if the family can’t homeschool their kids they will have the money to hire a tutor since plenty of doe people will need a J O B



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cawacko said:
This is what I posted earlier:

"So this author writes school reformers have a strange position of defending kids and not supporting teachers unions. I see nothing ‘strange’ about understanding there is not always an alignment of interest between the students best interest and what the unions want. The irony is he says a top down one size fits all education model doesn’t work yet that is what the teachers union have pushed for."

I agree a one size fits all isn't the best method. On one hand I get that standardized tests are a way we can attempt to measure kids equally across the country so it may be hard to completely eliminate that. But I also know not all kids learn the same way nor necessarily have the make up to excel in the classroom (and that doesn't make them bad kids or mean they can't live happy or fulfilling lives).
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Agreed, but as I just posted, the limitation is primarily one of resources. The need for better, more diverse education methods is secondary. The United States has some of the best schools in the world. It also has some of the worst, at least in the First World. The problem is as noted above: 92% of school funding is local, not national. The reason US school education rates are low compared to other nations is because it uses an average. The average of 10, best schools on the planet and 1, worst schools on the planet, is 5, mediocre.

The problem in the US is to help the worst and mediocre schools do as well as the best schools. That's not completely practical in the United States of Greed, motto "Fuck you, I got mine", but it's a goal to work toward.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed, but as I just posted, the limitation is primarily one of resources. The need for better, more diverse education methods is secondary. The United States has some of the best schools in the world. It also has some of the worst, at least in the First World. The problem is as noted above: 92% of school funding is local, not national. The reason US school education rates are low compared to other nations is because it uses an average. The average of 10, best schools on the planet and 1, worst schools on the planet, is 5, mediocre.

The problem in the US is to help the worst and mediocre schools do as well as the best schools. That's not completely practical in the United States of Greed, motto "Fuck you, I got mine", but it's a goal to work toward.
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It’s not just resources. More resources is always better than less. But if you have a broken model more resources isn’t change it. Hence the desire of reformers to change the model from the largely one size fits all mid 20th century version to something more updated. There are many variables involved which makes it challenging. But like the great Steve Jobs said when he met with Obama the teachers union is one of the biggest road blocks to reform (so are police unions to police reform but that’s a separate discussion).

We’ve heard for decades schools need more money. We spend more money but the results don’t change. Thus, while resources are clearly important, it is more than that.
 
cawacko said:
It’s not just resources. More resources is always better than less. But if you have a broken model more resources isn’t change it. Hence the desire of reformers to change the model from the largely one size fits all mid 20th century version to something more updated. There are many variables involved which makes it challenging. But like the great Steve Jobs said when he met with Obama the teachers union is one of the biggest road blocks to reform (so are police unions to police reform but that’s a separate discussion).

We’ve heard for decades schools need more money. We spend more money but the results don’t change. Thus, while resources are clearly important, it is more than that.
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Okay. Eliminate teachers' unions. Then what? What is your solution?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed, but as I just posted, the limitation is primarily one of resources. The need for better, more diverse education methods is secondary. The United States has some of the best schools in the world. It also has some of the worst, at least in the First World. The problem is as noted above: 92% of school funding is local, not national. The reason US school education rates are low compared to other nations is because it uses an average. The average of 10, best schools on the planet and 1, worst schools on the planet, is 5, mediocre.

The problem in the US is to help the worst and mediocre schools do as well as the best schools. That's not completely practical in the United States of Greed, motto "Fuck you, I got mine", but it's a goal to work toward.
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Some White nations that beat the USA in PISA scores have less education funding than the USA like Poland & Ireland.
A lot of Asian countries spend less on education & beat the USA in PISA scores like Chins, Vietnam, Japan.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_spending_on_education_(%_of_GDP)
 
cawacko said:
It’s not just resources. More resources is always better than less. But if you have a broken model more resources isn’t change it. Hence the desire of reformers to change the model from the largely one size fits all mid 20th century version to something more updated. There are many variables involved which makes it challenging. But like the great Steve Jobs said when he met with Obama the teachers union is one of the biggest road blocks to reform (so are police unions to police reform but that’s a separate discussion).

We’ve heard for decades schools need more money. We spend more money but the results don’t change. Thus, while resources are clearly important, it is more than that.
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The "teacher's unions" meme is an excuse as common as "fuck you, I got mine".

Please try comprehending what I wrote: the funding you are complaining about is not going to the poorer performing schools. Do you understand why?
 
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