No More D.C. Voucher Money

I believe actions speak louder than words. I have often thought this about the Bush's, my former gov. Jeb Bush and the reciently former president Bush. I have seen published reports claiming that the former presidnet has expressed this view in his younger years.

Many conservatives belive that if your family cant pay for a good education, you dont get a good education. If your family can pay for it, then thats great they should buy you a great education. This would lead to two classes of education. Former President Bush, JR. so much expressed his view that education is an entitlement that should be eliminated and that the government should not be paying for it at all, and that he would like to let it wither on the vine.

With all due respect can you show even one quote, just one, that resembles anything you said above? Because I will bet you anything you can't. W. just expanded by how many hundreds of millions of federal dollars into schooling with NCLB and you believe that is in an attempt to kill public education?

I loved to hear you tell the black families in Washington D.C. whose children are going to be kicked out of good schools to go to D.C. illustrious public school system that its good for them because you believe W. doesn't like equal education.
 
I believe actions speak louder than words. I have often thought this about the Bush's, my former gov. Jeb Bush and the reciently former president Bush. I have seen published reports claiming that the former presidnet has expressed this view in his younger years.

Many conservatives belive that if your family cant pay for a good education, you dont get a good education. If your family can pay for it, then thats great they should buy you a great education. This would lead to two classes of education. Former President Bush, JR. so much expressed his view that education is an entitlement that should be eliminated and that the government should not be paying for it at all, and that he would like to let it wither on the vine.

The above seems quite contrary to reality. Why would Bush support vouchers if he thought that if you cant pay for a good education you dont get one?

The DC example from the original post is a good one to view. Lower income kids going to the same school the President of the United States kids attend.

Please show me a link to back up your assertation that Bush wanted to eliminate education.
 
With all due respect can you show even one quote, just one, that resembles anything you said above? Because I will bet you anything you can't. W. just expanded by how many hundreds of millions of federal dollars into schooling with NCLB and you believe that is in an attempt to kill public education?

I loved to hear you tell the black families in Washington D.C. whose children are going to be kicked out of good schools to go to D.C. illustrious public school system that its good for them because you believe W. doesn't like equal education.

I dont have a quote... I agree, thats why I said I belive... not I know.


I belive Bush was attempting to screw public education up even more than it is so that people would be more inclined to accept an underfunded, unregulated unpoliced voucher system.
 
I dont have a quote... I agree, thats why I said I belive... not I know.


I belive Bush was attempting to screw public education up even more than it is so that people would be more inclined to accept an underfunded, unregulated unpoliced voucher system.

since you dont have a quote, could you provide an example as to how it is Bush tried to screw public education?
 
"No Child Left Behind" - President Bush.

"FCAT" - Governor Bush.

Ok... apparently we are going to have to do this the long way....

HOW did the above screw over public education in your opinion? (especially FCAT because I am not familiar with that)
 
I agree wholeheartedly with most of what you say. You and I come from two very different places in life and two very different locales, I think. The families I deal with are rural, white or American Indian, poor, and very un-educated. They are the kind of people that yankees think about when they think "southerner." The socio-economic break down of students in our school is 80%-20% - Poor to Middle Class. We have had two students come here in the past 21 years whose parents had an income of over $100,000. And this that you say:



It is so true. But a lot of the kids that go home to empty houses here are going home to empty houses, not because their parent(s) are at work, but becuase their parent(s) are out drinking or at one of the 3 casinos within a 50 mile radius.

You say that many "failing students" don't necessarily come from Welfare Homes but from the "middle class" families. I absolutely agree and didn't mean to imply that these students came only from welfare families. They definitely come from all stripes. I am so excited when I get a kid from a poorer family who shows great potential and performs well at the Jr. High level. The challenge for me is to keep that kid from following the path that their parent's followed and motivate them to take advantage of getting an education. In 21 years I bat about 50/50 with these kids. It isn't good enough for me. I get frustrated that by the time a potentially good student gets to upper high school he/she would want to live a life and put their own kids through a life described in the above paragraph.

Again, I applaud your commitment and passion for students and I recognize how frustrating it must be reconciling the challenges with the joy of seeing a student succeed.

Peace and blessings to you and yours my friend.
 
Out of curiousity what about NCLB, which was co-sign by Kennedy and George Miller, was Bush trying to kill our education system with?

If you're trying to have an intelligent debate with Jarod, you're wacko....

He makes up more lies that he tries to pass off as facts, its impossible to carry on any real dialog with him...

He must be from one of those very very poor familys. whose parents couldn't afford to 'buy' their poor Jarod a good education......(an illiterate lawyer, its amazing)
 
Come on Jarod. I spent a lovely $400 out on a thirsty Thursday and I figure the least I can get out of it is your explanation of how W.'s billions on NCLB was set up to kill public education. Come on man, don't leave us hanging bro.
 
Come on Jarod. I spent a lovely $400 out on a thirsty Thursday and I figure the least I can get out of it is your explanation of how W.'s billions on NCLB was set up to kill public education. Come on man, don't leave us hanging bro.

Jarod is busy .. so if I may ...

NCLB was designed and driven by politicians, not legislators. They were looking for McEducation, a quick fix for the nations education problems without even consulting those who were against teaching to tests.

What emerged was an 1100-page document calling for impossible achievements that have never been accomplished anywhere, use of 50 different sets of standards and very rigid sanctions.

The result is that NCLB has not improved education and has actually widened the inequity in our public schools. Under the threat of NCLB sanctions, including privatization, mass removal of teachers, and closure, students in schools in low-income communities are subject to a stripped-down, test-prep curriculum that only considers scores, not comprehesion or analytical development.
 
If I am not mistaken, weren't there numerous unfunded mandates in the NCLB?
 
Public Schools Vs Private Schools: New Study Says There Is No Difference

Many people assume that students enrolled in private schools perform better academically than do students attending public schools. The Center on Education Policy (CEP), however, disagrees....


Who funds the CEP?
 
Who funds the CEP?

Based in Washington, D.C., and founded in January 1995, the Center has received nearly all of its funding from charitable foundations such as The George Gund Foundation, The Joyce Foundation, The Ewing Marion Kauffman Foundation, The Carnegie Corporation, The Hewlett Foundation, The Gates Foundation, The Ford Foundation, The Spencer Foundation, The William T. Grant Foundation, The MacArthur Foundation, The Ellis Foundation, and Phi Delta Kappa International.
http://www.cep-dc.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=Page.viewPage&pageId=474

Their study was just one of many that demonstrate the same conclusions.
 
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