Alabama Shooting

Mott the Hoople

Mott the Hoople

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This is a great example of what frustrates me about advocates against the assualt rifle ban. The disconnect on the public safety issue that millitary style weapons present when in the hands of unstable persons. This man killed people by indescriminately spraying bullets down a street.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090312/ap_on_re_us/south_alabama_shootings_69

Could reasonable limitations and regulations have served to have protected the public and saved lives in this case?

What can be done about this issue to address public safety?

Asshat isn't always going to be there with his plastic spoon to protect us!!
 
What disturbs me most is everyone saying that he was such a "normal guy".

Normal people don't go on killing sprees.




Mott, I am not sure a ban on assault weapons would have changed much. Perhaps his strategy, but not the end result. The two rifles would have been out of the equation, but the shotgun and handgun would still be there. Plus, despite what the sensationalists claim, a typical hunting rifle would be much more dangerous.
 
Isn't it obvious?

All of his victims should have been armed, including the children.

Without all these useless leftist regulations the kids could have gotten off a couple of clips and put a bullet in his ass.

The only way to ensure a safe America is to arm every American. Children should be equipped with the Chinese Uziko 747 that fires 1600 rounds per second, fully automated with a hair trigger. Comes with night scope, laser targeting, and fires Magnum Force 19B armor-piercing rounds that will split a man in half.

2nd Amendment forever
 
what a bullshit news article and i'm not surprised that it elicited idiotic responses.

Yahoo Associated Press states 2 assault rifles, a shotgun, and a .38 revolver, yet no specific identity of the actual rifles are given. For all we know, it could have been two 10-22 marlin .22 caliber rifles. But no, we have to read 'assault rifle' and "the rapid crackling of automatic gunfire" in the article so that the fucked up liberal media can sensationalize a tragedy by intimating that machine guns are readily available at walmart.

If you don't know the gun laws, stfu and learn them before making an ass of yourself.
 
Solitary said:
What disturbs me most is everyone saying that he was such a "normal guy".

Normal people don't go on killing sprees.




Mott, I am not sure a ban on assault weapons would have changed much. Perhaps his strategy, but not the end result. The two rifles would have been out of the equation, but the shotgun and handgun would still be there. Plus, despite what the sensationalists claim, a typical hunting rifle would be much more dangerous.
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There is some truth to what your saying but 3 of those people were killed by his just randomly spraying the street with bullets. I think those lives might have been saved.

I'm not advocating a ban on anything per se so much as advocating a discussion on public safety and what can be done to prevent the abuse of these weapons which were designed specifically to kill people.

Should there be greater regulation on their sales and manufactur? Licensing requirements for those who wish to purchase these? Background and criminal checks? I'm open to ideas here.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
what a bullshit news article and i'm not surprised that it elicited idiotic responses.

Yahoo Associated Press states 2 assault rifles, a shotgun, and a .38 revolver, yet no specific identity of the actual rifles are given. For all we know, it could have been two 10-22 marlin .22 caliber rifles. But no, we have to read 'assault rifle' and "the rapid crackling of automatic gunfire" in the article so that the fucked up liberal media can sensationalize a tragedy by intimating that machine guns are readily available at walmart.

If you don't know the gun laws, stfu and learn them before making an ass of yourself.
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Well I can see you have much of productive value to contribute to this conversation. [/sarcasm]
 
Mottleydude said:
There is some truth to what your saying but 3 of those people were killed by his just randomly spraying the street with bullets. I think those lives might have been saved.

I'm not advocating a ban on anything per se so much as advocating a discussion on public safety and what can be done to prevent the abuse of these weapons which were designed specifically to kill people.

Should there be greater regulation on their sales and manufactur? Licensing requirements for those who wish to purchase these? Background and criminal checks? I'm open to ideas here.
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If there were more regulations and licencing requirements, would anything have been different?

The guy was an adult, never been in trouble, had police training, and had no addiction problems that we know about.

Wouldn't this guy be pretty much what the regulations would give a gun to?
 
Solitary said:
If there were more regulations and licencing requirements, would anything have been different?

The guy was an adult, never been in trouble, had police training, and had no addiction problems that we know about.

Wouldn't this guy be pretty much what the regulations would give a gun to?
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Good point, but are you saying there's nothing we can do to prevent such things from occuring?

How can we strike a balance here in preserrving 2nd ammendment rights while preserving public safety?
 
Mottleydude said:
Well I can see you have much of productive value to contribute to this conversation. [/sarcasm]
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seriously mottley, the same amount of damage could have been done with a semi-auto .308 hunting rifle with a full magazine, in fact, it would have been worse being a bigger round than something from an AR-15.

without the particulars on the type of rifle used, this article is over dramatized.

Yes, it's a damned tragedy, but really there are two questions to answer.

1) would another law have prevented this?

2) would a ban on assault weapons have prevented this?

the answer to both is no.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
seriously mottley, the same amount of damage could have been done with a semi-auto .308 hunting rifle with a full magazine, in fact, it would have been worse being a bigger round than something from an AR-15.

without the particulars on the type of rifle used, this article is over dramatized.

Yes, it's a damned tragedy, but really there are two questions to answer.

1) would another law have prevented this?

2) would a ban on assault weapons have prevented this?

the answer to both is no.
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Great questions, but could you expand upon the answers?
 
Mottleydude said:
Good point, but are you saying there's nothing we can do to prevent such things from occuring?

How can we strike a balance here in preserrving 2nd ammendment rights while preserving public safety?
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I don't think there is anything we can do to prevent this sort of thing from happening. I think a free society is an inherently dangerous place.

Unless the person confides his plans to someone, there would be no basis for disarming or arresting the person.

Charles Whitman killed 14 and wounded 32 from the clock tower on the campus of the Univ of Texas. He did have a semiautomatic rifle, but it was an M1. An M1 is hardly a threatening assault rifle. He did most of his killing with the other 2 rifles and the sawed-off shotgun.
 
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whats the difference between these two weapons?
 
Solitary said:
I don't think there is anything we can do to prevent this sort of thing from happening. I think a free society is an inherently dangerous place.

Unless the person confides his plans to someone, there would be no basis for disarming or arresting the person.

Charles Whitman killed 14 and wounded 32 from the clock tower on the campus of the Univ of Texas. He did have a semiautomatic rifle, but it was an M1. An M1 is hardly a threatening assault rifle. He did most of his killing with the other 2 rifles and the sawed-off shotgun.
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an even better question to ask is why was the damage and body count so small, given his location?
 
SmarterThanYou said:
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whats the difference between these two weapons?
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The cartridge capacity and action are what most people get alarmed about.

The fact that the top rifle can be loaded with high capacity magazines is what triggers the reaction. The fact that repeat shots can be fired without work any both or lever also triggers the reaction.

Essentially the differences are cosmetic. Although the bolt action has the potential to be more accurate and use heavier calibers.
 
Solitary said:
What disturbs me most is everyone saying that he was such a "normal guy".

Normal people don't go on killing sprees.
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He seemed to be a normal guy. It's pretty clear from the article that he was paranoid and vindictive to an extreme degree. A lot of people probably have violent, intrusive thoughts that they suppress, and it's a given that a few will act on them. His being fired from his job is probably what finally destabilized him.
 
Watermark said:
He seemed to be a normal guy. It's pretty clear from the article that he was paranoid and vindictive to an extreme degree. A lot of people probably have violent, intrusive thoughts that they suppress, and it's a given that a few will act on them. His being fired from his job is probably what finally destabilized him.
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According to everything I have read, he quit his job.

There seemed to be a lot of people saying he was "normal", but then the articles I read talked about people not knowing who his friends were or going and looking in their yearbooks to see if they knew him.
 
Solitary said:
According to everything I have read, he quit his job.
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OK, he was probably crazy before that time then.

Solitary said:
There seemed to be a lot of people saying he was "normal", but then the articles I read talked about people not knowing who his friends were or going and looking in their yearbooks to see if they knew him.
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A guy without any friends may just be a lonely weirdo, but crazy sociopaths fit the pattern too. Strangers and acquaintances probably just never stopped to think about it, so he seemed like a pretty "normal" quiet guy.
 
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