Michigan Republican Warns of "Constitutional Crisis"

[Poor Richard Saunders]

No.


The lawsuits are still pending; they are still going through the proper legal channels. So long as the lawsuits are being appealed (making their way through the court system), they are still pending until an ultimate decision from a higher court (which will be SCOTUS in this case) is reached.

But feel free to keep getting yourself stuck in irrelevancies...

A decision on appeal after they lost is not a pending case. It is a pending appeal after they lost the case. The case was already decided before the appeal was filed and they lost. They are not appealing the lawsuits. They are appealing the judge's decision which which declared that they lost.

The lawsuits are no longer pending because they lost. Appealing the decision doesn't mean the lawsuit is still pending because the lawsuit can not be pending otherwise there could be no appeal. Court rulings defining "pending" state that a case is no longer pending when a decision is made and the decision was made and Trump lost. After that decision, the appeal is all that is pending. The original case is no longer pending because it was decided and Trump lost.

Appeals courts will not accept any appeal on a case that is still pending. So unless Trump LOST the cases and is appealing that loss there can be no appeal. Your argument that the lawsuit is still pending would mean that Trump can not appeal and yet you are arguing that he did appeal. The only way Trump can appeal is if he LOST the case and the case is no longer pending.

Did Trump lose the case so he could file an appeal? Or has no appeal been filed since he didn't LOSE the case?

 

[gfm7175]

A decision on appeal after they lost is not a pending case.

The particular case ruling is no longer pending, but the lawsuit is still pending as it is still working its way up the court system. You are unable to focus on what actually matters and are too easily distracted by that which does not ultimately matter...

It is a pending appeal after they lost the case. The case was already decided before the appeal was filed and they lost.

See above.

They are not appealing the lawsuits. They are appealing the judge's decision which which declared that they lost.

See above.

The lawsuits are no longer pending because they lost. Appealing the decision doesn't mean the lawsuit is still pending because the lawsuit can not be pending otherwise there could be no appeal. Court rulings defining "pending" state that a case is no longer pending when a decision is made and the decision was made and Trump lost. After that decision, the appeal is all that is pending. The original case is no longer pending because it was decided and Trump lost.

Appeals courts will not accept any appeal on a case that is still pending. So unless Trump LOST the cases and is appealing that loss there can be no appeal. Your argument that the lawsuit is still pending would mean that Trump can not appeal and yet you are arguing that he did appeal. The only way Trump can appeal is if he LOST the case and the case is no longer pending.

Did Trump lose the case so he could file an appeal? Or has no appeal been filed since he didn't LOSE the case?

RQAA. See above.

 

[Diesel]

There are not thirty six Trump lawsuits about the election. The lawsuits he DOES have does mention it.

Why do you continue posting when you never have any idea what you're talking about? It's so inconvenient for me to have to scroll past all your unmitigated dumbassery.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...fight-includes-over-30-lawsuits-it-s-n1248289

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Effectively, yes. His campaign received what it asked for. I would consider that to be a win.


Paradox. It is not possible to simultaneously win and lose.

Since you claim that one can't both win and lose then your argument that he won would be wrong, would it not, since you don't think it is possible to lose a case that was not decided by the court? In reality court cases it is quite common to win and lose at the same time.

His campaign received what it asked for. I would consider that to be a win.

Then when the campaign does not receive what it asked for it must be a loss in order for your argument to make sense.

Wrong. It could be dropped because the Trump campaign received what they asked for. I would consider that to be a win. It could also be dropped due to restructuring or numerous other reasons.

If they are restructuring then they didn't get what they asked for which would be a loss. Unless one was being logically obtuse and simply declaring everything a win.

The only Trump campaign suit that was withdrawn was the one in which they received what they asked for. I would consider that to be a win. The remaining handful of Trump campaign suits are pending (still working their way through the court system, all the way up to SCOTUS).

Trump only withdrew on one lawsuit?
https://www.freep.com/story/news/po...t-detroit-wayne-county-canvassers/3776829001/
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/13/politics/arizona-trump-lawsuit/index.html
https://time.com/5912350/trump-lawyers-withdraw-voter-fraud-claim-pennsylvania/

Are you incapable of counting past one?

Correct.

While the particular case ruling is no longer pending, the lawsuit (if appealed) is still pending.

The lawsuit which they lost is not pending. The appeal of the decision that they lost is pending.

Yes it does, as there has been no decision from the highest applicable court as of yet.

The highest courts do not decide lawsuits. They never have and they never will. They decide issues of constitutionality and legality of decisions made by lower courts in which one party, in this case Trump, lost.

You continue to focus on the irrelevancies rather than the legal process as a whole.

The legal process as a whole states that an appeal can not be filed until a case is decided and there is a loss in the case. I am hardly the one focusing on irrelevancies since you are the one that is refusing to admit that Trump lost when clearly he not only lost based on the court rulings but lost based on the fact that an appeal can't be filed until someone loses a case.

 

[Diesel]

The election is indeterminate. Biden has not won.

BULLSHIT.

The Democrats caused it.

The Democrats caused it.

Trump hasn't lost.

You're still in the first stage of grief. It's been 18 days since Biden's victory was confirmed. You have the emotional maturity of a lead paint chip. Seek mental health help (remotely, of course).

 

[Diesel]

Now you're an attorney too? Hahaha. Sorry, Sister Stench, most of us on the left are far brighter and better educated than you. All of us are aware that the lawsuits filed by your Malignant Messiah are civil in nature, and we're also cognizant of the fact that the standards of proof are different. So what? Either way, there is little to no evidence of any sort of fraud, cheating, illegalities, or vote switching. You're sounding more and more unhinged by the day.

#TRE45ON lost fair and square. Deal with it. Calm down, take some deep breaths, thank your god we finally have a decent man and his wife to lead our nation. And First Puppies too!

Are those dogs celebrating Easter with colored eggs? I can't support that. (<-- That's a joke.)

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

The particular case ruling is no longer pending, but the lawsuit is still pending as it is still working its way up the court system. You are unable to focus on what actually matters and are too easily distracted by that which does not ultimately matter...


See above.


See above.


RQAA. See above.

The lawsuit is the particular case and Trump lost. The lawsuit is not still pending since Trump lost. The appeal of the loss is still pending. Your inability to understand that a loss is required before an appeal can be filed is not my problem but yours. Either the legal process matters or it doesn't. If the legal process matters than Trump lost before the appeal was filed. Your distraction from the loss by simply declaring he hasn't lost is not a valid argument when it comes to the legal process. It is simple a refusal on your part to accept the reality that Trump lost and his loss is required before an appeal can be pending. The legal process is not finished but we are at the point in the legal process where Trump lost the case and a loss is required for an appeal of that loss to be filed.

 

[Diesel]

the warning that we should all heed is we just elected a brain dead early on-set dementia ridden nutcase to pull us the rest of the way out of this pandemic
wtf are people thinking, answer is they're not

You mean that's the one we voted out. Allahu Akbar.

 

[Flash]

 

[Diesel]

Nothing is pending, sweetie, you have lost everything.

After years of unchecked delusion and lots of wink-and-nod lying, these assholes have decided to throw in the towel and go clinically mental. "Proof is not evidence." "We offered evidence. We just don't know what it was or where it is." "Wait and see." "Democrats are evil, so we don't need any other reason to obliterate any integrity we might have developed in our lifetimes. We will say literally anything -- no matter how dishonest and how absurdly insane -- to burn liberals."

They're foul and vile. They're bad people without hope for redemption. They're liars who are on record as preferring to destroy the United States of America rather than work with people who disagree with them. The worst ones are thankfully near death. My concern is for the younger ones who are being formed by these psychopaths. For the sake of their future lives and society in general, I hope they can be rehabilitated.

 

[Diesel]

Lie. All filed lawsuits are still pending, with the exception of one Michigan suit, which was settled out of court in favor of Trump.

Lie.

https://apnews.com/article/judge-throws-out-trump-suit-pennsylvania-87eaf4df86d5f6ccc343c3385c9ba86c

 

[Flash]

Great choreographer...

 

[Flash]

Lie. All filed lawsuits are still pending, with the exception of one Michigan suit, which was settled out of court in favor of Trump.

Fake news

 

[gfm7175]

Since you claim that one can't both win and lose then your argument that he won would be wrong, would it not, since you don't think it is possible to lose a case that was not decided by the court? In reality court cases it is quite common to win and lose at the same time.


Then when the campaign does not receive what it asked for it must be a loss in order for your argument to make sense.
If they are restructuring then they didn't get what they asked for which would be a loss. Unless one was being logically obtuse and simply declaring everything a win.

Trump only withdrew on one lawsuit?
https://www.freep.com/story/news/po...t-detroit-wayne-county-canvassers/3776829001/
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/13/politics/arizona-trump-lawsuit/index.html
https://time.com/5912350/trump-lawyers-withdraw-voter-fraud-claim-pennsylvania/

Are you incapable of counting past one?



The lawsuit which they lost is not pending. The appeal of the decision that they lost is pending.

The highest courts do not decide lawsuits. They never have and they never will. They decide issues of constitutionality and legality of decisions made by lower courts in which one party, in this case Trump, lost.




The legal process as a whole states that an appeal can not be filed until a case is decided and there is a loss in the case. I am hardly the one focusing on irrelevancies since you are the one that is refusing to admit that Trump lost when clearly he not only lost based on the court rulings but lost based on the fact that an appeal can't be filed until someone loses a case.

You are very focused on losing and losses... no wonder you are such a loser...

 

[gfm7175]

The lawsuit is the particular case and Trump lost. The lawsuit is not still pending since Trump lost. The appeal of the loss is still pending. Your inability to understand that a loss is required before an appeal can be filed is not my problem but yours. Either the legal process matters or it doesn't. If the legal process matters than Trump lost before the appeal was filed. Your distraction from the loss by simply declaring he hasn't lost is not a valid argument when it comes to the legal process. It is simple a refusal on your part to accept the reality that Trump lost and his loss is required before an appeal can be pending. The legal process is not finished but we are at the point in the legal process where Trump lost the case and a loss is required for an appeal of that loss to be filed.

RQAA. Continued obsession with losses and losing.

No wonder you are such a loser.

 

[Stretch]

Yet neither you nor a single human being on the planet has any evidence that any of what you just wrote ever happened anywhere. You're a crackhead.

Same old msm mantra. WHEEEEERRRRRRRRE'S the evidence???!!!!!!!
RQAA.

Lawyers collect evidence (we've seen some already), then in a civil case it will all be presented publicly during the discovery phase.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

You are very focused on losing and losses... no wonder you are such a loser...

Ad hominem fallacy.

A more honest approach would have been to admit you were wrong about legal procedure which requires a loss before an appeal can be filed and the original lawsuit is no longer pending because of the decision in the case which created the loss.

 

[Into the Night]

Why do you continue posting when you never have any idea what you're talking about? It's so inconvenient for me to have to scroll past all your unmitigated dumbassery.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...fight-includes-over-30-lawsuits-it-s-n1248289

Fake News. There are not 30 lawsuits filed by Trump.

 

[Into the Night]

Since you claim that one can't both win and lose then your argument that he won would be wrong, would it not, since you don't think it is possible to lose a case that was not decided by the court? In reality court cases it is quite common to win and lose at the same time.

The paradox is yours, dumbass. You must clear it. Arguing both sides of a paradox is irrational. Which is it, dude?

Then when the campaign does not receive what it asked for it must be a loss in order for your argument to make sense.

It did.

If they are restructuring then they didn't get what they asked for which would be a loss. Unless one was being logically obtuse and simply declaring everything a win.

Divisional error fallacy. Pivot fallacy.
Trump only withdrew on one lawsuit?[/QUOTE]
Nope. He dismissed one lawsuit because it was settled out of court. He won. THEN Michigan decided to ignore the court.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/po...t-detroit-wayne-county-canvassers/3776829001/
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/13/politics/arizona-trump-lawsuit/index.html
https://time.com/5912350/trump-lawyers-withdraw-voter-fraud-claim-pennsylvania/

Fake News. Ignored.

Are you incapable of counting past one?

Irrelevant.

The lawsuit which they lost is not pending. The appeal of the decision that they lost is pending.

The lawsuit is still pending. The appeal is part of the process.

The highest courts do not decide lawsuits.

Yes they do. All the time.

They never have and they never will.

WRONG. High courts hear lawsuits.

They decide issues of constitutionality

WRONG. No court has authority over the Constitution. See Article III of the Constitution of the United States.

and legality of decisions made by lower courts in which one party, in this case Trump, lost.

Trump hasn't lost. The lawsuit is still pending.

The legal process as a whole states that an appeal can not be filed until a case is decided and there is a loss in the case. I am hardly the one focusing on irrelevancies since you are the one that is refusing to admit that Trump lost when clearly he not only lost based on the court rulings but lost based on the fact that an appeal can't be filed until someone loses a case.

Trump hasn't lost. The lawsuit is still pending.

 

[Into the Night]

You're still in the first stage of grief. It's been 18 days since Biden's victory was confirmed. You have the emotional maturity of a lead paint chip. Seek mental health help (remotely, of course).

Psychoquackery. Denial of government.