1. I don't think there is a 'Civil War'.
2. What you call the 'far Left' are the Moderates. What you call 'Centrists' are basically Republicans.
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1. I don't think there is a 'Civil War'.
2. What you call the 'far Left' are the Moderates. What you call 'Centrists' are basically Republicans.
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That assumes that trump's base is gone, which I believe to be true.
1. Do you think there was a Republican Civil War beginning with Newt and ending with the election of Trump? If not, then I can see why you disagree. If so, then why do you see a difference?
2. Disagreed. AOC and "the Squad" aren't Moderates. The only people more left than them are people classified as "insane". The same idiots buying magic potions off Goop and who believe anyone right of center is Evil Incarnate.
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Probably true, but there were also enough Republicans who recognized that trump had to go. Just enough. Many voted Biden. Some didn't vote for either. I think Romney wrote some dead guy's name in.
As you and I have discussed before, there's a big difference between "Trump's base" and people who voted Republican. Most people still vote for the Lesser of Two Evils. I did too except once in 1992 and from the 2012 election to present date.
Trump's base will be the biggest fans of Trump TV. A far smaller number than the 73M+ who voted for Trump in 2020.
There should be a good analysis by the Inauguration. My guess is Biden's extra numbers came from a lot more Independents than from Republicans voting against their own party.
Agreed that, like Democrats not voting at all rather than voting for Hillary, there are Republicans who'd rather not vote at all rather than vote against their own party.
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Well...one was chosen by the governor. Loeffler doesn't seem to be very popular. The other seat will be close, and turnout is going to mean everything.Wow. I can't disagree with ANYTHING you've said.
I always thought Biden (or anybody NOT Trump) was a shoe-in and was more interested in the Senate races in Colorado, Arizona, Maine, Iowa, and N. Carolina.
This thing coming down to 2 Senate seats in GEORGIA , with 2 sitting Republican Senators, in Republican controlled Georgia ... is, mmmmmm, daunting.
But hey...Alabama chose Tuberville. A college football coach who can barely speak in full sentences.
Maine was a head scratcher. I never believed Collins would lose, but pollsters were sure that she would
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Yea...many elected officials who simply could not bring themselves to jump ship, but at the same time, could not support trump.
Indies swing every election. It will be interesting to see why more of them didn't give the Senate to Dems.
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In key states, trump was able to get tens of thousands of new voters registered. With trump's fans glued to their devices, I'm hoping they're gone from the equation as they were before '16. With close elections becoming the norm, Dems. don't need that many of them to drop off the voter rolls. It wasn't his base who elected him in '16. It was his base that helped to put up huge numbers this year. I could see the numbers drop by at least 10 million
Indies constitute 40% of voters.....which is why it's truthful to say "70% of American voters are not Democrats".
As such, yes, Independents determine elections. It's logical to think they determined this one. A final analysis should prove or disprove this theory. Care to place a bet on it?
Don't you find it hypocritical that the Ds now want unity and to work together after 4 years of trying to tear the country apart after getting their asses kicked?
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How many Dems who lost were swept in on the '18 wave? Doug Jones won a Senate seat against a child molester in '18, but got smashed against an illiterate celebrity. Not unlike trump. Nobody thought a Dem would hold the Alabama seat.
If House members lost in strong Blue districts you would have a point about policy.
May I?
There is no need to get rid of private insurance companies if we offer our citizens M4A. Most of us on Medicare purchase supplemental medical and drug policies -- through private insurers. This time of year we are bombarded with mailings, phone calls, texts, emails featuring the plans and begging us to take a look. The competition for our bucks is huge. Give the ppl M4A and let their employers offer the supplemental plans as a hiring incentive, like they do now. With the money that corporations/companies will save by not having to offer the entire health insurance package, we could raise taxes on them slightly to pay for M4A and they would still come out ahead.
The only reason we are alone among the industrialized (and in some cases even third-world countries) is because the (R)s have drummed it into the heads of their base that M4A = socialism = communism = slavery = BAD.
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Again. Indies determine every election. That 40% number includes me, and it gives both parties great angst. Especially since the number used to be closer to 20% historicallyIndies constitute 40% of voters.....which is why it's truthful to say "70% of American voters are not Democrats".
As such, yes, Independents determine elections. It's logical to think they determined this one. A final analysis should prove or disprove this theory. Care to place a bet on it?
Indies constitute 40% of voters.....which is why it's truthful to say "70% of American voters are not Democrats".
As such, yes, Independents determine elections. It's logical to think they determined this one. A final analysis should prove or disprove this theory. Care to place a bet on it?
What you call yourself is irrelevant. How you vote is. There are two so called Independents in the Senate, Bernie Sanders and Angus King. Both may as well call themselves Democrats. Bernie was running for the Democratic party nomination for President and King once served in office as a Democrat.
You don't give anyone angst. You can call yourself an independent but when you support the policies you support, you're a Democrat.
Yes. I've offered several Democrats who said so to bet me that there won't be a Gun Control bill on Biden's desk by next summer. None took me up on it. You and I both know why.
Most people on this forum know talk is cheap. I'll believe unity on the part of Democrats when I see it. Right now, not a single JPP Democrat believes Hillary is guilty of anything. If they can't acknowledge corruption in their own party, how can they honestly believe in unity?
Yes, most Democrats are hypocrites and a year's time will prove me correct.
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Well yes. As I mentioned, the majority don't understand the complexities of M4, but they either want it or they don't. The M4 supporters think everything will be free, and the detractors think they'll lose their current 'free' insurance.
I think your plan is what a public option looks like. No? I want people to have the option to purchase lower cost health insurance. If a healthier demographic enters the Medicare program, it reduces their high risk demographic and helps with funding. It wouldn't entail hiking taxes on individuals, which is what Bernie's plan did.
That's the point. They don't want unity. Their definition of unity, much like their definition of compromise, is do what we want.
Agreed: How you vote determines your outlook, but that's not the whole picture when given only binary choices.
Bernie is a Socialist. I know little about King except he was a long time Democrat. Like Trump and Ron Paul running on the Republican ticket, King probably became an Independent because it was politically expedient to replace Republican Snowe.