Greenspan puts down the Ayn Rand novel

[Minister of Truth]

Green span has stepped away from the tennet of Rands ideas of libertarianism.

The corporate heads do not automatically self regulate to effect the greater good.

Why anyone would believe that for even one second is beyond me?

Must... HAVE...

...CONTROL!!!

 

[Cancel10]

Socialism works in Sweden, capitalism fails in America.

Sweden "works" because it is not a socialist nation. They are a capitalist nation with an extensive welfare and entitlement system, but even they have cut back on their social welfare in the past few decades in response to economic stagnation.

The fact is, everyone doing everything to their selifish interest leads to even more totalitarianism than Hitler, as people become little more than products.

Hitler was a socialist.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Hitler was a socialist.

Hitler was the model of conservatism.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/12023

Submitted by Historian (United States), Oct 30, 2003 at 23:50

Originally the National Socialist German Worker's Party (official name) was an attempt to unite Socialist economic ideas with Nationalism (Socialism advocates internationalism).

When Hitler joined the party the people who advocated socialist ideas already were a minority to those who advocated nationalism under all circumstances. Historians usually call the "night of the long knives" the final extermination of the National Socialist wing of the party, as Röhm was the last one in the party leadership to have socialist ideas.

The very only socialist action of Hitler was the introduction of 1st May as Labor day holiday, which usually is celebrated by socialists in Europe as "their" holiday. Hitler of course saw it as just another chance to let uniformed people goose-step thru the streets.

To call Hitler a socialist is as absurd as calling Stalin a Christian, just because Orthodoxy was state religion in Russia when he was born.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm

Myth: Hitler was a leftist.

Fact: Nearly all of Hitler's beliefs placed him on the far right.



Summary

Many conservatives accuse Hitler of being a leftist, on the grounds that his party was named "National Socialist." But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production. In Nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state. True socialism does not advocate such economic dictatorship -- it can only be democratic. Hitler's other political beliefs place him almost always on the far right. He advocated racism over racial tolerance, eugenics over freedom of reproduction, merit over equality, competition over cooperation, power politics and militarism over pacifism, dictatorship over democracy, capitalism over Marxism, realism over idealism, nationalism over internationalism, exclusiveness over inclusiveness, common sense over theory or science, pragmatism over principle, and even held friendly relations with the Church, even though he was an atheist.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

No Ayn Rand isn't. Ayn Rand deserved a bullet hole in the head. It was a tragedy that Stalin never did her in, and killed honest socialists instead.

Bravo, I LOL'd

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Hitler was a fascist dictator who was probably just pissed that his mom was half jewish and didn't want to blow him.

 

[evince]

You're starting to sound like Dixie. Have you read Rand? She makes perfectly valid points on a number of topics. Is she absolutely right about absolutely everything? No but who is?

I have read some rand and was very underwhelmed.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Sweden "works" because it is not a socialist nation. They are a capitalist nation with an extensive welfare and entitlement system, but even they have cut back on their social welfare in the past few decades in response to economic stagnation.



Hitler was a socialist.

Hitler was a totalitarian and a fascist. He used elements of socialism but lots of governments do, as does our. Hitler was no more a socialist than FDR was.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Green span has stepped away from the tennet of Rands ideas of libertarianism.

The corporate heads do not automatically self regulate to effect the greater good.

Why anyone would believe that for even one second is beyond me?

Rand wasn't a libertarian. She was an objectivist.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Ayn Rand presented a series of superhuman characters who never had to worry about troubles that happen in real life, or poverty (they were always magically able to raise as much money as they wanted), and pitted them against stupid strawmen. Reading the Fountainhead is like getting shot in the head.

No, you've got that completely wrong. Rand's characters were human characters who superceeded and conquered real life problems and who produced prosperity and carried us on their shoulders in the process.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Hitler was a fascist dictator who was probably just pissed that his mom was half jewish and didn't want to blow him.

Well wouldn't you be pissed too?

 

[a11n]

You'll Hate Stuffed Animals

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I have read some rand and was very underwhelmed.

I have read both Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged. As a work of literature I agree she's underwhelming. She belabors a point to death over and over again (The horse is dead! Get off it.) and her character development is pathetic as they are all two dimensional characters and her plots are overly simplistic bordering on utopian.

But she also outlines an important and influential philosophical concept about how our shared success depends on ability, productivity and the concept that the products of our minds are our personal property and that you have no claim on my productive abilities based upon your needs. Rand's "Objectivism" is probably the most significant philosophies developed during the 20th century.

 

[KingCondanomation]

I have read both Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged. As a work of literature I agree she's underwhelming. She belabors a point to death over and over again (The horse is dead! Get off it.) and her character development is pathetic as they are all two dimensional characters and her plots are overly simplistic bordering on utopian.

But she also outlines an important and influential philosophical concept about how our shared success depends on ability, productivity and the concept that the products of our minds are our personal property and that you have no claim on my productive abilities based upon your needs. Rand's "Objectivism" is probably the most significant philosophies developed during the 20th century.

This is a very good description of her novels. Like you I also found the character development and dialogue limited, I would go further and say limited to 3 different types of people. They are novels but really just platforms for her gems of philosophical thought.

 

[KingCondanomation]

No, you've got that completely wrong. Rand's characters were human characters who superceeded and conquered real life problems and who produced prosperity and carried us on their shoulders in the process.

Watermark is smart but way too intellectually lazy and manic to read anything longer than an article.
Rand deals with poverty, and makes many great observations on the mannerisms of those in it.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Like when the main character in The Fountainhead


SPOILER below


blows up a lower-income apartment complex because they put balconies on his design. Makes tons of sense.

 

[a11n]

Do u know what it feels like to be laughed at and spit at? Do you know what it feels like to have trashed shoved down your throat! Do you know what it feels like to be hated, and lauged at! Do you know what it feels like to be hated by all the people that surround you at school? YOu have no idea what it feels like.

 

[Minister of Truth]

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm

Myth: Hitler was a leftist.

Fact: Nearly all of Hitler's beliefs placed him on the far right.



Summary

Many conservatives accuse Hitler of being a leftist, on the grounds that his party was named "National Socialist." But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production. In Nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state. True socialism does not advocate such economic dictatorship -- it can only be democratic. Hitler's other political beliefs place him almost always on the far right. He advocated racism over racial tolerance, eugenics over freedom of reproduction, merit over equality, competition over cooperation, power politics and militarism over pacifism, dictatorship over democracy, capitalism over Marxism, realism over idealism, nationalism over internationalism, exclusiveness over inclusiveness, common sense over theory or science, pragmatism over principle, and even held friendly relations with the Church, even though he was an atheist.

Huppi fails. Socialism is when the state controls the means of production.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Do u know what it feels like to be laughed at and spit at? Do you know what it feels like to have trashed shoved down your throat! Do you know what it feels like to be hated, and lauged at! Do you know what it feels like to be hated by all the people that surround you at school? YOu have no idea what it feels like.

Do I? Hell I pay extra for it!!!