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I know GPs that have had the same salary for the last 10-15 years. The doctors are getting screwed with HMOs just as much as we are.
that is absolutely NOT too much for average. That includes surgeons as well. and considering thepressure and what malpractice costs that's more than fair. Plus, that doesn't even take into account geographical differences in pay
Sammy Jankis
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Bullshit.... my uncle is an anesthesiologist... he makes roughly $500k and spends about $200k on malpractice insurance.
$250k for someone who likely spent $100k+ just on their medical degree is not that much.
Man...
What a misstatement.
http://www.nber.org/aginghealth/fall04/w10709.html
In one county of Florida malpractice insurance costs reached over $175,000 per year. (Yeah, per doctor. Imagine making the "average" and paying over half of your salary to an insurance company.)
What you are mistaking in your post here is what malpractice costs have contributed to the total rise in cost of medical care (single digit, I think 3%, contribution to the 50% increase over the time studied).
That doesn't change that it is a very real cost that effects your care.
For instance: Would you want to be a surgeon if you didn't get compensated enough to cover your malpractice and still make a living wage?
Or: Would you want to be an OBGYN if your malpractice insurance was higher than even the surgeons?
Are we getting the best, with the strongest interest and incentive to care for us at our most vulnerable times?
http://www.law.uchicago.edu/files/conf/malpractice/lakdawalla.pdf
Anyway, don't mistake the fact that malpractice insurance only adds to the increase "this much" with "malpractice is only 'this much' of a physicians cost in wages" the two statements are most definitely not the same.
uscitizen
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If the medical profession would not mess up their malpractice insurance would be cheaper.
No more tort reform to cover for sloppy DR's.
How about consumer information on DR's malpractice and success history so consumers can make informed decisions? Let the market decide?
You go to see a DR and they give you a sheet on that DR with his statistics.
If you see he has 4 successful malpractice claims against him in the last year will you want that DR. to be your DR?
No more tort reform to cover for sloppy DR's.
How about consumer information on DR's malpractice and success history so consumers can make informed decisions? Let the market decide?
You go to see a DR and they give you a sheet on that DR with his statistics.
If you see he has 4 successful malpractice claims against him in the last year will you want that DR. to be your DR?
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And if all humans stopped getting in accidents car insurance would be very cheap indeed.
And if wishes were fishes we'd all be fishermen.
uscitizen
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And if all humans stopped getting in accidents car insurance would be very cheap indeed.
And if wishes were fishes we'd all be fishermen.
so there is nothing we can do to police or improve DR's performances?
Secondary infections in hospitals.
Nice quitter me give up line there Damo.
Yeah, we should blame the doctors and say dumb things about malpractice costs. That will fix it.
A deduction is not a credit and the real cost is gone from their wages in many cases. I don't want an underpaid and undervalued surgeon cutting into my chest. Some overvalued oil guy should understand that.
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Listen... pay attention now... this is the part you aren't grasping....
A corporation is a piece of paper.... the government is a MEANS of payment. No matter what the money comes from individuals. I know it can be confusing to you... but here is how it works....
The individual pays for healthcare by one of three methods....
1) directly
2) through a collective employer sponsored plan. If the corporation pays a portion that is money that is a form of compensation to the employee... hence the employee pays indirectly
3) Through the government, by which the employee pays taxes which in turn fund the healthcare system
No matter what the taxpayer is paying for the healthcare. The only way you reduce their burden is to reduce the costs of healthcare.
As I stated, if you believe a single payer system will reduce healthcare costs, then yes, it will reduce the burden. But quit trying to pretend it will pay for itself. It is still paid for by taxpayers dollars.
I would like to see your data on the insurance subsidies that benefit 'mainly the rich'.
blackascoal
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Absolutely nothing will prohibit you from paying for whatever surgeon you can afford.
uscitizen
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So the medical industry is blameless for their actual malpractice events?
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The point dear toppy, it that his salary was 500k, he pays 200k of that to malpractice.
If you are looking at average income, then that does not deduct malpractice. The point was to show you that their average income after expenses was likely lower.