Republicans have a vested interest in America's economic failure.

[blackascoal]

LMAO... no, just saying that you have supported it does not mean that you have.

Thinking something is going to fail and rooting for it to fail are two different things. Showing that Rush is rooting for it to fail and that Pat Robertson called him out for it.... proves exactly the opposite of what you are proposing.

The near-universal GOP opposition to the stimulus means that, for 2010 at least, Democrats own the result. Republicans, meanwhile, are in the awkward position of banking on it, at least electorally, to fail.
http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/rep...009-02-11.html

FOX NEWS
KONDRACKE: Yes, look, Republicans have made a big wager that the Obama economic plan is going to fail. And, you know, I hope for the sake of the country that they're wrong. The country certainly is rooting at the moment for Obama.

And I'll say it again .. Robertson's comment acknowledged a mindset he knows is there.

 

[Damocles]

Electorally all the Rs need to do in 2 years time is find points of the plan that are frivolous and wasteful and publicize them then point out that "things like this" are why they didn't vote for the plan. That it was rushed through without the promised 48 hours to read it before they voted... on and on.

They aren't invested in the failure, but they are invested in having to campaign on why they didn't vote for this, luckily (in their view) there's two full years of time to give a full reasoning explanation that will be debated for some time.

 

[Cancel7]

It's amazing hoiw few people on a political message board actually have the slightest clue about politics.

Republicans are wagering heavily on stimulus as major 2010 issue

The stimulus package has emerged as the first major campaign issue of the 2010 election cycle, and a Republican Party eyeing a return to the majority is going all-in.

The near-universal GOP opposition to the stimulus means that, for 2010 at least, Democrats own the result. Republicans, meanwhile, are in the awkward position of banking on it, at least electorally, to fail.
http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/re...-stimulus-as-major-2010-issue-2009-02-11.html

KONDRACKE: Yes, look, Republicans have made a big wager that the Obama economic plan is going to fail. And, you know, I hope for the sake of the country that they're wrong. The country certainly is rooting at the moment for Obama.

The recent Gallup poll found a whopping 67 percent approve of the way opening is handle efforts to pass the stimulus bill. Forty-eight percent approve of the way the Democrats are doing it, but 58 of those polls disapprove of the way the Republicans are acting. Thirty-one percent that approve of Republicans, it is that bedrock conservative base and nothing more.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,494046,00.html

It's politics plain as day .. a blind man could see it.

I know. I was just shaking my head as I was reading this thread, and then I got to this post and I started laughing.

 

[blackascoal]

Ok... now we get to the root of your point.... you hate Republicans. Therefore anything you project upon them thus becomes the truth. Regardless of whether it is or not. You'll just paint them with a nice broad brush and if anyone disagrees, well.... they must be in the dark.

Gotcha. Your point is now very clear.

Any casual vistor to this forum could dispute your silly assertion that I hate republicans.

Most of my scorn and criticisms are pointed towrds my own side of the political divide, just as I pointed out in this very thread.

I must be doing something right when I get accused by democrats of hating democrats and I get accused by republicans of hating republicans.

I don't care much for either of them, but I have more scorn for democrats, who should know better.

I recognize that real change will only come from the real left .. not the center (democrats) and not the right (republicans).

 

[blackascoal]

I know. I was just shaking my head as I was reading this thread, and then I got to this post and I started laughing.

Glad you dropped in. I was starting to feel all alien.

My mind was confused as to why in the hell am I even having to argue something as clearly obvious as this.

Am I alien .. just dropping in from outer space, or did in fact this country just go through 8 years of republican lies, deceit, and distortions?

Are Rove and Cheney real people or just a figment of my imagination?

Didn't this country get tricked into the mass-murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent people and a historic loss of American respect, influence, and stature by Rovian republican tactics?

If many GOP governors agree with the stimulus plan, how is it possible that no GOP congressperson would agree UNLESS this was a coordinated effort to see it fail?

If the plan fails, then so does America's economy .. and isn't that the title of this thread?

 

[Cancel7]

Glad you dropped in. I was starting to feel all alien.

My mind was confused as to why in the hell am I even having to argue something as clearly obvious as this.

Am I alien .. just dropping in from outer space, or did in fact this country just go through 8 years of republican lies, deceit, and distortions?

Are Rove and Cheney real people or just a figment of my imagination?

Didn't this country get tricked into the mass-murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent people and a historic loss of American respect, influence, and stature by Rovian republican tactics?

If many GOP governors agree with the stimulus plan, how is it possible that no GOP congressperson would agree UNLESS this was a coordinated effort to see it fail?

If the plan fails, then so does America's economy .. and isn't that the title of this thread?

It really is the United States of Amnesia, and some of the most affected post here. I always used to post to Damo "where am I? who am I? how did I get here?"

You have been kicking ass and taking names though! I have been cracking up at some of these threads.

 

[cawacko]

Glad you dropped in. I was starting to feel all alien.

My mind was confused as to why in the hell am I even having to argue something as clearly obvious as this.

Am I alien .. just dropping in from outer space, or did in fact this country just go through 8 years of republican lies, deceit, and distortions?

Are Rove and Cheney real people or just a figment of my imagination?

Didn't this country get tricked into the mass-murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent people and a historic loss of American respect, influence, and stature by Rovian republican tactics?

If many GOP governors agree with the stimulus plan, how is it possible that no GOP congressperson would agree UNLESS this was a coordinated effort to see it fail?

If the plan fails, then so does America's economy .. and isn't that the title of this thread?

Hey BAC, because I respect your opinion I ask you the same thing I asked earlier. If either party votes against something the President supports and ultimately passes are they thus vested in seeing it fail? (speaking about more than just this stimulus package of course)

 

[blackascoal]

Hey BAC, because I respect your opinion I ask you the same thing I asked earlier. If either party votes against something the President supports and ultimately passes are they thus vested in seeing it fail? (speaking about more than just this stimulus package of course)

I respect you as well brother.

No, I don't believe a party voting against something, on its own, constitutes them wishing the country to fail .. however, there are other factors in this that does lead me to believe republicans are up to politics as usual .. "politics as usual" being the biggest factor.

I can't remember a unanimous vote against a policy that was almost universally accepted as an absolute necessity for the nation's survival. Can you? Even if they didn't agree with every element of the legislation, not passing it would ensure much greater pain and it was a vote against the biggest tax cut in the history of earth .. given as a compromise.

Understanding the nature of right-wing politics, the strategy is obvious and it's being debated everywhere. They are very clearly gambling on the failure of the stimulus plan. It's a big gamble, but it may pay off, but not for the reasons they claim. It may pay off because it includes too many useless tax cuts instead of real stimulus and the package is much too small .. which is why the markets all over the world have reacted as they have to it. It's too damn small.

I know I went further than your question .. but I'm betting you're used to me by now.

 

[Damocles]

That's not correct.

Do you have some examples that are not the extremes? Which mainstream republican leader said you were vested in defeat? Which mainstream elected leader said it without using quotes from actual Democratic elected leaders talking about how much the war had already failed? Shoot, which mainstream elected leader said anything like that?

You can't have it both ways, the Rs spoke of the Ds who voted for the war as "support" now you say they ran around saying you were "vested in the defeat of the US" at the same time they were saying you supported it?

I think you have two different events mixed up in your head. I have a theory that you drop everything into a file of "things republicans do" and throw them all out at once because once it goes in there the time line of events just disappears.

 

[ib1yysguy]

Rush Limbaugh, who apparently holds the Republican legislature's balls in his chubby hands, said, "I hope he fails."

 

[Damocles]

Rush Limbaugh, who apparently holds the Republican legislature's balls in his chubby hands, said, "I hope he fails."

Apparently Rush Limbaugh is a radio personality and is not listed in any of the mainstream elected republican leaders lists that I have found. Try again.

This is like saying that (before he was actually elected) the insane crap that Franken said on the radio was from a mainstream Democratic Leader because he apparently held their balls in his mouth.



Also, Rush has said far more than his "I hope that if his policies are socialist that he fails." statement you take out of context on the subject and he does not promote the failure of the US as something that he hopes for. Even somebody like me that only hears other people talking about Rush knows that.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Rush Limbaugh, who apparently holds the Republican legislature's balls in his chubby hands, said, "I hope he fails."

if obama wanted to invade venazuela, would you want him to succeed or fail?

 

[ib1yysguy]

Apparently Rush Limbaugh is a radio personality and is not listed in any of the mainstream elected republican leaders lists that I have found. Try again.

This is like saying that (before he was actually elected) the insane crap that Franken said on the radio was from a mainstream Democratic Leader because he apparently held their balls in his mouth.



Also, Rush has said far more than his "I hope that if his policies are socialist that he fails." statement you take out of context on the subject and he does not promote the failure of the US as something that he hopes for. Even somebody like me that only hears other people talking about Rush knows that.

Apparently you missed the house vote on the stimulus where even Republicans who formerly wanted to vote for it were manipulated by Rush into not voting for it. The guy's basically the unofficial party chairman, cept he has more power than the official one. He had a congressman call him up groveling for forgiveness.

I can't remember anything as nuts as what comes out of Rush's mouth coming from Franken. Franken had a great program and I'm happy he's a senator.

 

[ib1yysguy]

if obama wanted to invade venazuela, would you want him to succeed or fail?

I don't answer dishonest questions with a false premise.

Obama is not going to invade Venazuela and the idea that you either have to hope he succeeds or fails is a typical conservative oversimplification of what would be a complex issue.

With us or against us, succeed or fail, blah blah. You guys are morons.

 

[Damocles]

Apparently you missed the house vote on the stimulus where even Republicans who formerly wanted to vote for it were manipulated by Rush into not voting for it. The guy's basically the unofficial party chairman, cept he has more power than the official one. He had a congressman call him up groveling for forgiveness.

I can't remember anything as nuts as what comes out of Rush's mouth coming from Franken. Franken had a great program and I'm happy he's a senator.

Apparently you fell for the talking points memos. The republicans chose not to vote for it because they believed it was a good representation of their constituencies' wishes, not because of Rush Limbaugh. That he was also against it is something that is likely because republicans tend to agree. While some republicans flirted with the idea of voting for this, they were convinced by their peers and by those who voted for them to act differently.

Rush has no power in the party, not any more than does Randy Rhodes over the Democratic party.

 

[RockX]

Of course it will go down in flames, what idiot actually thinks this will succeed. Democrats will own this shit forever, and I hope Rush is around to keep poking at them every time voters go to the polls. Just today I heard we are pay 18,000 Philippine WWII veterans as part of the porkulus package. Can someone please tell me why we are paying people to defend their own fucking country? And how is this stimulating the country?

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Apparently you fell for the talking points memos. The republicans chose not to vote for it because they believed it was a good representation of their constituencies' wishes, not because of Rush Limbaugh. That he was also against it is something that is likely because republicans tend to agree. While some republicans flirted with the idea of voting for this, they were convinced by their peers and by those who voted for them to act differently.

Rush has no power in the party, not any more than does Randy Rhodes over the Democratic party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_limbaugh#1990s

When the Republican Party won control of Congress in 1994, one of the first acts by many freshmen (calling themselves the "Dittohead Caucus") was to award Limbaugh the title of "honorary member of Congress" in recognition of his support of their efforts during this period.[11]

 

[Damocles]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_limbaugh#1990s

When the Republican Party won control of Congress in 1994, one of the first acts by many freshmen (calling themselves the "Dittohead Caucus") was to award Limbaugh the title of "honorary member of Congress" in recognition of his support of their efforts during this period.[11]

And? Did they name him "Whip"? What official capacity does Rush have with the party that gives him the power that you pretend he has?

The closest he can come is to get some guys to write letters to their representatives. Amazingly it's the same power Randi Rhodes had.

 

[ib1yysguy]

And? Did they name him "Whip"? What official capacity does Rush have with the party that gives him the power that you pretend he has?

The closest he can come is to get some guys to write letters to their representatives. Amazingly it's the same power Randi Rhodes had.

He's got power over their constituents. You claim they decided to vote against it because they thought it would be best for their constituents, though I've heard audio of at least one of them (who decided to vote no mysteriously) saying it'd be a great thing for his district. You know what happened between when that audio was recorded and when he voted? Rush made a congressman come on the air and grovel and apologize because Rush threatened to out him to his constituents.

That's the power Rush has.

 

[Damocles]

He's got power over their constituents. You claim they decided to vote against it because they thought it would be best for their constituents, though I've heard audio of at least one of them (who decided to vote no mysteriously) saying it'd be a great thing for his district. You know what happened between when that audio was recorded and when he voted? Rush made a congressman come on the air and grovel and apologize because Rush threatened to out him to his constituents.

That's the power Rush has.

No. I stated that they thought it would be the best representation of their constituent's wishes.

I don't think "Rush" threatened to "out" him on something that is a matter of public record.. When he voted his constituents would have known regardless. His constituents, and his fellow republican congresspeople convinced him.

I think it is silly to think that "outting" him about voting yes on something that would be publicly recorded is a bit disingenuous and silly even for you.

The "power" of Rush in the party is to inform the constituency, just the same power that Randi Rhodes had on Air America when it was a going concern.