Venezuela Referendum: Chavez Wins Vote To End Term Limits

[blackascoal]

Venezuela Referendum: Chavez Wins Vote To End Term Limits

CARACAS, Venezuela — President Hugo Chavez won a referendum to eliminate term limits Sunday and vowed to remain in power for at least another decade to complete his socialist revolution. Opponents accepted defeat but said Chavez is becoming a dictator.

Fireworks exploded in the sky and caravans of supporters celebrated in the streets, waving red flags and honking horns. Thousands of people gathered outside Miraflores Palace, where the former paratroop commander appeared on a balcony to sing the national anthem and address the crowd.

"Those who voted 'yes' today voted for socialism, for revolution," Chavez said. He called the victory _ which allows all public officials to run for re-election indefinitely _ a mandate to speed his transformation of Venezuela into a socialist state.

"Today we opened wide the gates of the future," he said. "In 2012 there will be presidential elections, and unless God decides otherwise, unless the people decide otherwise, this soldier is already a candidate."

With 94 percent of the vote counted, 54 percent had voted for the constitutional amendment, National Electoral Council chief Tibisay Lucena said. Forty-six percent had voted against it, a trend she called irreversible. She said turnout was 67 percent.

NOTE: Cutting to the chase .. here's what right-wing Americans can't stand ..

Voters on both sides said the referendum was crucial to the future of Venezuela, a deeply polarized country where Chavez has spent a tumultuous decade in power channeling tremendous oil wealth into combating gaping social inequality.

Chavez supporters say their president has given poor Venezuelans cheap food, free education and quality health care, and empowered them with a discourse of class struggle after decades of U.S.-backed governments that favored the rich.

more at link --
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/15/venezuela-referendum-vote_n_167053.html

With capitalism only the rich matter .. and only they get bailed out from the consequences of their own greed.

67% turnout .. and oh yeah ..elections in Venezuela have far more integrity than election in the US.

 

[charver]

It's all very well for Chavez to swan around winning elections and referendums but aren't we all overlooking the point that he is a COMMUNIST.

Why, oh why, can't the spineless Obama government arrange to have this monster, who lest we forget a COMMUNIST, removed from power and replaced with someone who has the best interests of ordinary Venezuelan oil executives in mind? Next thing you know he will be nationalising all the banks. Imagine that, eh?

It is clear that by allowing himself to be placed on the ballot for election in years to come that Chavez, who let us not forget is a COMMUNIST, is well on the way to establishing a dictatorship.

A COMMUNIST DICTATORSHIP.

 

[Topspin]

BAC wants that for america.
NO rich and a lot of poor people with a thug controlling voting

 

[charver]

BAC wants that for america.
NO rich and a lot of poor people with a thug controlling voting

Do you reckon there are no rich people in Venezuela?

 

[blackascoal]

It's all very well for Chavez to swan around winning elections and referendums but aren't we all overlooking the point that he is a COMMUNIST.

Why, oh why, can't the spineless Obama government arrange to have this monster, who lest we forget a COMMUNIST, removed from power and replaced with someone who has the best interests of ordinary Venezuelan oil executives in mind? Next thing you know he will be nationalising all the banks. Imagine that, eh?

It is clear that by allowing himself to be placed on the ballot for election in years to come that Chavez, who let us not forget is a COMMUNIST, is well on the way to establishing a dictatorship.

A COMMUNIST DICTATORSHIP.

 

[blackascoal]

BAC wants that for america.
NO rich and a lot of poor people with a thug controlling voting

Are you high already?

 

[Topspin]

I wish
you do want socialism! don't you

 

[blackascoal]

I wish
you do want socialism! don't you

I'm a democratic socialist .. thus I absolutely believe a mix of socialism and democracy is the best course for this nation and many others.

But that does not mean I want what you suggested.

BAC is not poor. In fact, I'm much closer to being rich than I am poor.

What I want is a more equitable American society that provides opportunity to become rich, but not at the expense of the poor. A society that values education, humanity, and compassion.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

BAC wants that for america.
NO rich and a lot of poor people with a thug controlling voting

Errr I'm no apologist for Hugo....but how is ending term limits controlling voting? Aren't term limits anti-democratic?

 

[Damocles]

Errr I'm no apologist for Hugo....but how is ending term limits controlling voting? Aren't term limits anti-democratic?

Yeah, and Saddam Hussein really did win all those elections with 99% of the vote you can tell because some people went around celebrating after those "elections"...

 

[Topspin]

Mott, you must ignore the violence when it's done by socialist.
I'd have guest you were rich BAC, most limosine socialist democrats are. LOL

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Yeah, and Saddam Hussein really did win all those elections with 99% of the vote you can tell because some people went around celebrating after those "elections"...

Damo, international observers confirmed the vote was free and fair. It was probably free and fairer than many elections the Republicans "won". If he wanted to rig the vote, he would've gotten a much higher margin. You are just being desperate.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Mott, you must ignore the violence when it's done by socialist.

I think he's actually saying that the vote wasn't controlled and was completely Democratic in response to you, and never mentioned violence, and the conversation never got to violence until you just desperately brought it up right now to avoid the point of the argument, even though Chavez is in no way using violence in Venezula to maintain his presidency -

but whatever.

 

[blackascoal]

Yeah, and Saddam Hussein really did win all those elections with 99% of the vote you can tell because some people went around celebrating after those "elections"...

Except truth tells a very different story ..

e primary evidence for Lugar's charge of electoral fraud is a striking divergence between exit poll data and official vote tallies. As it happens, wide divergences of just this kind have also been a feature of two other important recent elections: the Venezuelan recall referendum over President Chávez's mandate held on August 15, as well as the U.S. presidential election of November 2. In all three cases there is substantial evidence of fraud-though the dishonesty appears to be very differently distributed. In brief: the Venezuelan election was clean and the exit poll flagrantly dishonest; the Ukrainian vote tallies and exit polling seem both to have been in various ways corrupted; the American election, despite the Bush Republicans' pose as international arbiters of integrity, was manifestly stolen, while the U.S. exit polling was professionally conducted (and though it was subsequently tampered with, accurate results had in the mean time been made public).

Hugo Chávez's landslide victory in August was a surprise only to the hostile U.S. corporate press, which had represented the Venezuelan election campaign as a dead heat: the last opinion poll prior to the referendum in fact showed Chávez leading by a wide margin, with 50 percent of registered voters to the opposition's 38 percent. In the official tally, Chávez won 58.26 percent of the votes, while 41.74 percent were cast against him. International observers, including the Organization of American States and the Carter Center, declared that the election had been fair: in ex-U.S. President Jimmy Carter's words, "any allegations of fraud are completely unwarranted" (see Rosnick).
http://www.serendipity.li/jsmill/election_fraud.htm

By every measure, Venezuelan elections have more integrity and far more oversight than American elections.

 

[Damocles]

Damo, international observers confirmed the vote was free and fair. It was probably free and fairer than many elections the Republicans "won". If he wanted to rig the vote, he would've gotten a much higher margin. You are just being desperate.

*sigh*

You are just trolling again.

While I agree that term limits are actually undemocratic, my point was saying that doesn't mean that all elections are in fact democratic any more than a term limited government.

It wasn't a statement on this election, it was a statement of the measure of "democratic" being 'no term limits' isn't exactly the only thing we should measure by.

 

[blackascoal]

Mott, you must ignore the violence when it's done by socialist.
I'd have guest you were rich BAC, most limosine socialist democrats are. LOL

What violence?

Never said I was finacially rich, but I ain't finacially poor either.

What makes life rich is relationships and spirituality. Money is simply a tool.

The more equitable society becomes, the richer my life becomes.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

*sigh*

You are just trolling again.

While I agree that term limits are actually undemocratic, my point was saying that doesn't mean that all elections are in fact democratic any more than a term limited government.

It wasn't a statement on this election, it was a statement of the measure of "democratic" being 'no term limits' isn't exactly the only thing we should measure by.

I don't agree with term limits personally.

But I don't really like Chavez either. However, the election was completely fair, so I don't have any criticism of him other than I disagree with some of his policies.

 

[Damocles]

I don't agree with term limits personally.

But I don't really like Chavez either. However, the election was completely fair, so I don't have any criticism of him other than I disagree with some of his policies.

I have no criticism for this, they chose it. I believe that they will regret their vote in the future, but that is nothing on me personally.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Venezuela Referendum: Chavez Wins Vote To End Term Limits

CARACAS, Venezuela — President Hugo Chavez won a referendum to eliminate term limits Sunday and vowed to remain in power for at least another decade to complete his socialist revolution. Opponents accepted defeat but said Chavez is becoming a dictator.

Fireworks exploded in the sky and caravans of supporters celebrated in the streets, waving red flags and honking horns. Thousands of people gathered outside Miraflores Palace, where the former paratroop commander appeared on a balcony to sing the national anthem and address the crowd.

"Those who voted 'yes' today voted for socialism, for revolution," Chavez said. He called the victory _ which allows all public officials to run for re-election indefinitely _ a mandate to speed his transformation of Venezuela into a socialist state.

"Today we opened wide the gates of the future," he said. "In 2012 there will be presidential elections, and unless God decides otherwise, unless the people decide otherwise, this soldier is already a candidate."

With 94 percent of the vote counted, 54 percent had voted for the constitutional amendment, National Electoral Council chief Tibisay Lucena said. Forty-six percent had voted against it, a trend she called irreversible. She said turnout was 67 percent.

NOTE: Cutting to the chase .. here's what right-wing Americans can't stand ..

Voters on both sides said the referendum was crucial to the future of Venezuela, a deeply polarized country where Chavez has spent a tumultuous decade in power channeling tremendous oil wealth into combating gaping social inequality.

Chavez supporters say their president has given poor Venezuelans cheap food, free education and quality health care, and empowered them with a discourse of class struggle after decades of U.S.-backed governments that favored the rich.

more at link --
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/15/venezuela-referendum-vote_n_167053.html

With capitalism only the rich matter .. and only they get bailed out from the consequences of their own greed.

67% turnout .. and oh yeah ..elections in Venezuela have far more integrity than election in the US.

ROFLMAO.... yeah, integrity... thats what having complete control of the media, the military and the major revenue source for your country means... integrity.

We'll see how popular el dictator is once people realize that oil prices are now under $40 per barrell and el dictator can no longer pay for all his promises.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Damo, international observers confirmed the vote was free and fair. It was probably free and fairer than many elections the Republicans "won". If he wanted to rig the vote, he would've gotten a much higher margin. You are just being desperate.

LMAO... they kicked out everyone who criticized Chavez and the process. Thus the only ones remaining were whom?