it's a welfare package

Look, I like Obama as well as a conservative can i.e. I hate most of his political ideology, but respect both his office and his general demeanor. I stronly disagree with a political philosophy that premotes governement as savior. I agree with the premise that in our global economy and given the snowball effect we are seeing in unemployment that government needs to be a solution provider.

The idea that this bill is that solution and that we must rush and sign sign sign is the very kind of fear mongering these liberal ninney's claimed to be against. There is sound economic protocol that has worked and it did not come lit up like a fat man in a buffet line!

Bush presided over a sound economy for 6 years. His tax cuts really did pull us out of a recession. The republicans failed this country when they did not demand reform over the housing market when they had control. However, instead of throwing out the baby with the bath water let's get back to basics and offer the US tax payer a real stimulus not catered to paying back those political favors and back door pork and entitlement spending that dems are notorious for.

Right now, Republicans are just as notorious for political favors and pork-barrel spending as Democrats are.

When Republicans show voters that they are capable of returning to their principles of small government and responsible spending then we will return them to power.
 
Right now, Republicans are just as notorious for political favors and pork-barrel spending as Democrats are.

When Republicans show voters that they are capable of returning to their principles of small government and responsible spending then we will return them to power.

Agreed to a point. The fact that the RNC have put Steele in shows they understand that a moderate GOP is a lame GOP. My point in the above response was to emphasise that the basics of stimulus is not pork and it is not entitelment spending, this current bill is as the thread starter stated " a welfare package".
 

Yeah this retards American Eagles are just about $1,000 each right now.

And the best part is that the freeway exit that I sold land to speculators for has been put on indefinite hold :D

The retard gets the last laugh.

I was actually hooping a Cracker Barrel would open up there as I like to eat there.
 
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From what I have seen, the infrastructure spending is 10% or less of the current plans.

Which one of the politicians was it that said something about the american people not caring about the pork in the bill?



We have to do something, but it seems as though Obama is doing a 180 from what he pledged during his campaign.
 
From what I have seen, the infrastructure spending is 10% or less of the current plans.

Which one of the politicians was it that said something about the american people not caring about the pork in the bill?



We have to do something, but it seems as though Obama is doing a 180 from what he pledged during his campaign.

After the election I figure all is off, in reality. That doesn't mean the loyal opposition can't point out the differences. However, in this case, I'll give that he was clueless to what would be before him. That is obvious to all now. On the other hand, the claims of 'the economy' not being what he expected, not so much. The handwriting was on the wall in September, October at the latest.
 
After the election I figure all is off, in reality. That doesn't mean the loyal opposition can't point out the differences. However, in this case, I'll give that he was clueless to what would be before him. That is obvious to all now. On the other hand, the claims of 'the economy' not being what he expected, not so much. The handwriting was on the wall in September, October at the latest.

I think that his promises to rein in spending and lower the deficit were pretty specific.

And he was making those promises right up till the elections.




Of course, I understand that holding a politician to their pre-election promises is an exercise in futility.
 
Well McCain was saying the economy was fundamentally sound in summer wasn't he?

What the other candidate was saying isn't really the issue. The issue is our current president and his "stimulus" package.
 
What the other candidate was saying isn't really the issue. The issue is our current president and his "stimulus" package.

Yes, well more to the point though the congress. Both sides.

I always said do not expect too much from Obama, he is going into an impossible situation to clear up in short time.
 
Yes, well more to the point though the congress. Both sides.

I always said do not expect too much from Obama, he is going into an impossible situation to clear up in short time.

Both sides have screwed us royally. And the differences between the two parties are getting more and more trivial.

I don't expect Obama to fix everything in his first 100 days. But I did sort of hope that two of his biggest campaign platforms would last a bit longer than 3 weeks.
 
What the other candidate was saying isn't really the issue. The issue is our current president and his "stimulus" package.

His response was kind of like Obama's when Obama said look at the deficit Bush ran up to justify his (Obama's) spending. Well look at Bush's approval ratings. Pretty much says it all. So not real sure why Obama would want to use Bush as justification for doing the same thing he did.

And you are also right who cares what McCain said. He lost. The downside of winning is you now have to go out and perform.
 
Yes, well more to the point though the congress. Both sides.

I always said do not expect too much from Obama, he is going into an impossible situation to clear up in short time.

Which side do the Republicans 'control'? Oh yeah, neither.
 
Which side do the Republicans 'control'? Oh yeah, neither.

Haha, its pretty easy to sit back and bitch when you are not in power. Now that the people he supported are in power its a different story. Notice the attempted lowering of the bar as to what Obama can/will accomplish...
 
Haha, its pretty easy to sit back and bitch when you are not in power. Now that the people he supported are in power its a different story. Notice the attempted lowering of the bar as to what Obama can/will accomplish...

That cannot be, they were 'raising the bar.' You must have it wrong.
 
Of course it's a welfare bill for the rich.

It's socialism for the rich while the rest of us get a watered-down version of psuedo-capitalist democracy.

That being said .. you Obambi supporters can't put this on Bush .. and you should look no further than the mirror to find out who is to blame for this. You swallowed that bullshit Obambi was peddling when it was OBVIOUS that the man was a fraud and OBVIOUS that he was being backed by Wall Street.

You had a convenient excuse for everything he said or did, and not only and wouldn't challenge anything, but called those who were paying attention and warning this would happen, "Obama-bashers" and "haters."

"Wait until he gets in office" .. you said.

Now he's in office .. what are you waiting on?
 
Of course it's a welfare bill for the rich.

It's socialism for the rich while the rest of us get a watered-down version of psuedo-capitalist democracy.

That being said .. you Obambi supporters can't put this on Bush .. and you should look no further than the mirror to find out who is to blame for this. You swallowed that bullshit Obambi was peddling when it was OBVIOUS that the man was a fraud and OBVIOUS that he was being backed by Wall Street.

You had a convenient excuse for everything he said or did, and not only and wouldn't challenge anything, but called those who were paying attention and warning this would happen, "Obama-bashers" and "haters."

"Wait until he gets in office" .. you said.

Now he's in office .. what are you waiting on?


I don't agree with the premise that the stimulus bill is a welfare bill, though you might think that Top is talking abotu the banking bailout, which would be understandable since Top doesn't know the difference between the two, he often conflates them, and in the end, no one really knows what he's talking about on any given day.
 
I don't agree with the premise that the stimulus bill is a welfare bill, though you might think that Top is talking abotu the banking bailout, which would be understandable since Top doesn't know the difference between the two, he often conflates them, and in the end, no one really knows what he's talking about on any given day.

Both are welfare packages and focus on rescue for the already rich far more than any focus on average Americans who find themselves in dire situations.

Senate OK's Weak Stimulus Bill

Skeptical citizens might inquire: How does a Senate stimulus bill that was trimmed to eliminate "waste" (like school construction money that would create jobs in communities across the country) and "pork" (like funding to prepare for a pandemic that would bring a sputtering economy to a complete halt) end up costing almost $20 billion more than a supposedly spendthrift House plan?

The answer, of course, is that the tepid stimulus plan passed Tuesday by the Senate with a "bipartisan" 61-37 majority was not trimmed down to hold the line on spending. It was restructured to cut stimulus allocations by $108 million while dramatically increasing tax cuts--at the behest of Republican Senators Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania and the Democrats with whom these alleged moderates cut a deal to pass the stalled bill.

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Smart economists will tell you that neither the House or Senate figures are likely to be sufficient to genuinely jumpstart an economy that sheds more jobs, shutters more business and loses more in the way of consumer confidence with each passing day.

But the extent to which the final legislation will have a stimulative effect has yet to be determined.

If House Democrats, who passed an imperfect but more appropriately focused measure, embrace the changes made in the Senate, they will undermine prospects for renewal.

If House Democrats refuse to accept the Senate measure and instead demand the restoration of spending for school construction, bailing out the states, aiding Head Start and Early Start programs and guarding against a potentially devastating pandemic, they could still make a serious dent in the crisis.

There are signs that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-California, who has grumbled about the school cuts, and Appropriations Committee chair David Obey, the Wisconsin Democrat who essentially wrote the House bill, are prepared to push back.

There are also signs that responsible Democrats in the House will have to battle conservative "Blue Dog Democrats"--some of whom voted against the House bill several weeks ago, and others who have signaled a sympathy with the Senate compromises.

And what of the Obama White House? The president, who is struggling to be two things at once--"post-partisan" and effective--is going to have to make some choices. If he just wants a bill, he can probably lean on the House to get something similar to the Senate plan passed. If he wants a good bill, he will have to help the House push back and lean on some more senators to get serious about what Obama correctly describes as the most serious economic downturn since the Great Depression.
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/state_of_change/407017?rel=hp_picks

I can tell you now that democrats are going to rollover and defer to the weak-ass Senate version .. and Obambi will be the chief cheerleader for rolling over to the republicans.

No Tough Love for Wall Street

What an insipid anticlimax! Rising to "a challenge more complex than our financial system has ever faced," Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner promised on Tuesday to give trillions more to the very folks who profited from that malignant complexity. For all the brave talk about transparency and accountability in the banking bailout, he gave the swindlers who got us into this mess yet another blank check to buy up the "toxic assets" they gleefully created.

According to the Congressional Oversight Panel created by Congress to monitor the bailout, the Bush Treasury Department overpaid by $78 billion of our money in the first ten purchases of those assets. Yet Geithner tells us "Congress acted quickly and courageously" in throwing that money at Wall Street without requiring any accountability. At the same time, there is still no commitment to directly help what Geithner admits are the millions of homeowners already foreclosed out of their homes, with millions more to come. The leaks from Treasury promise that $50 billion will eventually be allocated directly to helping homeowners, which is a day late and a dollar short in chump change compared to the trillion dollars that Geithner on Tuesday committed to the purchase of more bad bank debt.

The Geithner speech betrayed the buildup to it offered by President Obama in his press conference the day before. I was such a sucker I found myself cheering at almost every line, agreeing that Republicans acted with total irresponsibility in opposing Obama's plan to stimulate an economy that was wrecked on their watch. But then came the hangover reality of Geithner's talk. Instead of the promised transparency we were treated to yet another "trust Big Brother" hustle. How wonderful that Geithner, who as head of the New York Federal Reserve was in on the first wasted $350 billion, now promises a brand new Web site to help us taxpayers follow the action. It means nothing, given that he specifically ruled out any of the serious means of holding Wall Street accountable.

The New York Times got it right: "... the plan largely repeats the Bush administration's approach of deferring to many of the same companies and executives who had peddled risky loans and investments at the heart of the crisis. ..." Geithner and White House economic czar Lawrence Summers won out over David Axelrod and other Obama advisers more loyal to the wishes of grass-roots voters; "... as intended by Mr. Geithner, the plan stops short of intruding too significantly into bankers' affairs even as they come onto the public dole."

If, like me, you still get those chatty e-mails from the Obama campaign, it is time to remind them that we voted for the caring community organizer from the streets of Chicago and not some hack carrying water for the predators of Wall Street.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090223/scheer?rel=hp_picks

Naw .. he THOUGHT he was voting for a community organizer from the streets of Chicago .. but the evidence was clear as a bell that he was voting for that hack carrying water for Wall Street.

Where did he think all that money came from?

Was he under some illusion that Wall Street expected nothing from Obambi for all that money?

Guess who's running the show at Camp Obama?

Geithner and Summers who are over-ruling all other advisers?
 
http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/29/news/economy/stimulus_analysis/index.htm

Now go read this study


In findings echoed by other economists and studies, he said the study shows the fastest way to infuse money into the economy is through expanding the food-stamp program. For every dollar spent on that program $1.73 is generated throughout the economy, he said.

Now you can call the god damned thing anything you want to label it.

IT is designed to stimulate the economy.

It uses the BEST methods we know of to do so.

Be idiots and try to fight what will work, why would I be surprised you would since you also backed what got us here.

No more stupid.

Time for smart.

Time to do what works intsead of your Lush Limballs talking points controling the country.
 
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