The insanity of the right wing voter

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http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/09/a-one-man-immigration-protest-on-72nd-street/


February 9, 2009, 2:15 pm
A One-Man Immigration Protest on 72nd Street
By Corey Kilgannon

Corey Gilgannon/The New York Times
Jim Behan on West 72nd Street, about a block from where he lives.“I served this country as a U.S. marine, and now I got to watch it go down the tubes because we let anybody in, without no rhyme or reason,” said Jim Behan, 67, as he stood on West 72nd Street holding up a large sign with the words, “Illegal Immigration — No Order, No Border, No Nation.”

Mr. Behan wears battle fatigues. After all, he is truly in the trenches here in this Upper West Side hub, where many disagree with his hard-line “close the borders” view. He says he gets more than his fair share of nasty comments from passers-by.

“Oh, you wouldn’t believe the things they say — it’d curl your hair,” he said at the spot on Saturday afternoon. “‘You’re the reason this country’s in such bad shape.’ They absolutely hate me. But my opinion is, there’s no order at our borders, and it’s ruining us as a country. I’m upset that our leaders have not enforced the laws of our country, and Obama’s going to be a disaster.”

Mr. Behan lives a block away, in a furnished room on West 71st Street, and his $70-a-week rent is regulated by state law. He said he was a New York City employee, first for the Department of Sanitation, and later for the Department of Transportation, on the Staten Island Ferry. Now he lives on a partial pension and Social Security, he said, and spends many days holding up his sign to enlighten the naïve Upper West Siders.
 
evince said:
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/09/a-one-man-immigration-protest-on-72nd-street/


February 9, 2009, 2:15 pm
A One-Man Immigration Protest on 72nd Street
By Corey Kilgannon

Corey Gilgannon/The New York Times
Jim Behan on West 72nd Street, about a block from where he lives.“I served this country as a U.S. marine, and now I got to watch it go down the tubes because we let anybody in, without no rhyme or reason,” said Jim Behan, 67, as he stood on West 72nd Street holding up a large sign with the words, “Illegal Immigration — No Order, No Border, No Nation.”

Mr. Behan wears battle fatigues. After all, he is truly in the trenches here in this Upper West Side hub, where many disagree with his hard-line “close the borders” view. He says he gets more than his fair share of nasty comments from passers-by.

“Oh, you wouldn’t believe the things they say — it’d curl your hair,” he said at the spot on Saturday afternoon. “‘You’re the reason this country’s in such bad shape.’ They absolutely hate me. But my opinion is, there’s no order at our borders, and it’s ruining us as a country. I’m upset that our leaders have not enforced the laws of our country, and Obama’s going to be a disaster.”

Mr. Behan lives a block away, in a furnished room on West 71st Street, and his $70-a-week rent is regulated by state law. He said he was a New York City employee, first for the Department of Sanitation, and later for the Department of Transportation, on the Staten Island Ferry. Now he lives on a partial pension and Social Security, he said, and spends many days holding up his sign to enlighten the naïve Upper West Siders.
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LOL

Besides for him being crazy, it's funny that the right is still using that old "Oh you wouldn't believe it if I told you" trick, which Nixon and Reagan perfected. Reagan used to tell stories of "hippies" having "orgies where things go on that you wouldn't believe if I told you".

They knew that people's imagination would conjur up whatever their personal worst fear, or, most titilating desire was. And it would be better than anything they could make up.

Funny.
 
I'm upset that Mississippi doesn't have thousands of police officers with unlimited warrant ability and cameras inside every gay household to make sure that the law against anal sex isn't violated!

What the fuck is wrong with these people? The government sets enforcement priorities. There is nothing immoral with how strongly or weakly they decide to enforce certain laws - it made them, it can enforce them how it likes as long as the voters don't mind.
 
Watermark said:
The government sets enforcement priorities. There is nothing immoral with how strongly or weakly they decide to enforce certain laws - it made them, it can enforce them how it likes as long as the voters don't mind.
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Well, it appears that the voter in desh's story does mind......and he is making his case known whether we agree with him or not.

I am a protectionist by nature. I believe we should invest in this country's workforce, providing jobs here for our people (USA'ers) and not in India or South America or China or wherever else the corporations run off to. As to illegal immigration, find the illegals, enforce the law then make them come here legally......that's all I ask.
 
leaningright said:
I am a protectionist by nature. I believe we should invest in this country's workforce, providing jobs here for our people (USA'ers) and not in India or South America or China or wherever else the corporations run off to. As to illegal immigration, find the illegals, enforce the law then make them come here legally......that's all I ask.
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Agreed!

In a severe recession all H1B visas should be cancelled as well.
 
Illegal immigration is not a fringe issue. The man is rather dramatic, but I fail to see how he is "insane" or even particularly out of the mainstream. The opinion he espouses is the dominant one in most areas of the country, particularly those parts hit hardest by illegal immigration.
 
uscitizen said:
Agreed!

In a severe recession all H1B visas should be cancelled as well.
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I'm not 100% positive about this point, but I think that a position that is offered to someone coming in on an H1B visa must first be advertised to Americans, and may only be offered to a foreigner if no American candidate applies or is suitable.

Also, contrary to what many Americans may currently believe, a new provision has been enacted into law whereby the salary for the position must equal that which would be paid to an American in that job. This is checked by Immigration before the visa is issued. That alone eliminates the temptation to hire foreigners as cheaper counterparts. The notification of this law was posted on our dept. bulletin board a few months ago, to notify anyone who might be affected. I believe that it was an attempt to close that loophole.
 
Thorn said:
I'm not 100% positive about this point, but I think that a position that is offered to someone coming in on an H1B visa must first be advertised to Americans, and may only be offered to a foreigner if no American candidate applies or is suitable.

Also, contrary to what many Americans may currently believe, a new provision has been enacted into law whereby the salary for the position must equal that which would be paid to an American in that job. This is checked by Immigration before the visa is issued. That alone eliminates the temptation to hire foreigners as cheaper counterparts. The notification of this law was posted on our dept. bulletin board a few months ago, to notify anyone who might be affected. I believe that it was an attempt to close that loophole.
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I had missed that, I hope that loophole is closed.

In the past a mega corp I worked for used creative job descriptions to ensure that only the targeted H1B workers would qualify.

I was in the same job for 12 years and had the job description redifined 4 -5 times and had to reapply for my own job.
 
Thorn said:
I'm not 100% positive about this point, but I think that a position that is offered to someone coming in on an H1B visa must first be advertised to Americans, and may only be offered to a foreigner if no American candidate applies or is suitable.

Also, contrary to what many Americans may currently believe, a new provision has been enacted into law whereby the salary for the position must equal that which would be paid to an American in that job. This is checked by Immigration before the visa is issued. That alone eliminates the temptation to hire foreigners as cheaper counterparts. The notification of this law was posted on our dept. bulletin board a few months ago, to notify anyone who might be affected. I believe that it was an attempt to close that loophole.
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I don't think H1B visas should be restricted as long as they are competing directly on an equal-salary basis. That way, there would be no point to hiring an H1B unless he was really just that damn good and could help America out.
 
Watermark said:
I don't think H1B visas should be restricted as long as they are competing directly on an equal-salary basis. That way, there would be no point to hiring an H1B unless he was really just that damn good and could help America out.
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Exactly. I believe that this is the reason for the salary provision; it eliminates the temptation/incentive to look offshore for cheaper workers. The other thing is that H1B visas are temporary and can only be renewed for up to three years, total. Although people can apply to immigrate, there is further requirement that the employer demonstrate that no American is available for that job. That's assuming that the employers don't mind rolling over staff in positions every three years or less, of course. In some fields, that may be a normal or even better-than-normal attrition rate.
 
evince said:
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/09/a-one-man-immigration-protest-on-72nd-street/


February 9, 2009, 2:15 pm
A One-Man Immigration Protest on 72nd Street
By Corey Kilgannon

Corey Gilgannon/The New York Times
Jim Behan on West 72nd Street, about a block from where he lives.“I served this country as a U.S. marine, and now I got to watch it go down the tubes because we let anybody in, without no rhyme or reason,” said Jim Behan, 67, as he stood on West 72nd Street holding up a large sign with the words, “Illegal Immigration — No Order, No Border, No Nation.”

Mr. Behan wears battle fatigues. After all, he is truly in the trenches here in this Upper West Side hub, where many disagree with his hard-line “close the borders” view. He says he gets more than his fair share of nasty comments from passers-by.

“Oh, you wouldn’t believe the things they say — it’d curl your hair,” he said at the spot on Saturday afternoon. “‘You’re the reason this country’s in such bad shape.’ They absolutely hate me. But my opinion is, there’s no order at our borders, and it’s ruining us as a country. I’m upset that our leaders have not enforced the laws of our country, and Obama’s going to be a disaster.”

Mr. Behan lives a block away, in a furnished room on West 71st Street, and his $70-a-week rent is regulated by state law. He said he was a New York City employee, first for the Department of Sanitation, and later for the Department of Transportation, on the Staten Island Ferry. Now he lives on a partial pension and Social Security, he said, and spends many days holding up his sign to enlighten the naïve Upper West Siders.
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He may be a little eccentric (spending all his time holding a sign), but he is not insane. He is one of few people willing to shout from the proverbial rooftop of our impending doom. We're not going to have a country in 50 years. How can you not see that?

Or do you think illegal immigration is a good thing?
 
Epicurus said:
Illegal immigration is not a fringe issue. The man is rather dramatic, but I fail to see how he is "insane" or even particularly out of the mainstream. The opinion he espouses is the dominant one in most areas of the country, particularly those parts hit hardest by illegal immigration.
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I think her point is probably more when people who are protesting support left-wing causes it falls along the line of 'speaking truth to power' or something like that. Someone like this an your 'insane'.
 
Mr. Behan lives a block away, in a furnished room on West 71st Street, and his $70-a-week rent is regulated by state law. He said he was a New York City employee, first for the Department of Sanitation, and later for the Department of Transportation, on the Staten Island Ferry. Now he lives on a partial pension and Social Security, he said, and spends many days holding up his sign to enlighten the naïve Upper West Siders.

The guy was a gov employee all his life folks, he now lives off of entirely government sources and hes complaining about liberals. Both his parents were Irish immigrants.
 
Desh, the right never let truth and facts intrude on fantasy.

the poor guy probably watches Billo every evening.
 
evince said:
Mr. Behan lives a block away, in a furnished room on West 71st Street, and his $70-a-week rent is regulated by state law. He said he was a New York City employee, first for the Department of Sanitation, and later for the Department of Transportation, on the Staten Island Ferry. Now he lives on a partial pension and Social Security, he said, and spends many days holding up his sign to enlighten the naïve Upper West Siders.

The guy was a gov employee all his life folks, he now lives off of entirely government sources and hes complaining about liberals. Both his parents were Irish immigrants.
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Where did he complain about liberals Desh? He said you have mostly liberals here. Do you disagree that the Upper West Side of Manhattan is composed mostly of liberals? That's just stating a fact, that's not complaining.

So he's insane because he lives off social security and is against open borders. Alright.
 
cawacko said:
Where did he complain about liberals Desh? He said you have mostly liberals here. Do you disagree that the Upper West Side of Manhattan is composed mostly of liberals? That's just stating a fact, that's not complaining.

So he's insane because he lives off social security and is against open borders. Alright.
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I would say he was insane because he is apparently under the impression that the people who disagree vocally with his immigration stance are "my own people, the Irish".

Somebody should tell him that he is an American.
 
charver said:
I would say he was insane because he is apparently under the impression that the people who disagree vocally with his immigration stance are "my own people, the Irish".

Somebody should tell him that he is an American.
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As I'm sure you are well aware the Irish bond in Boston and New York is strong but my interpretation of what he said was he couldn't believe Irish people were flipping him off.
 
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