Well, let's just say, if the Bernie faithful didn't sit out 2016 in droves we might not have had a Trump presidency. The turnout numbers were pitiful. I don't really want to vote for things like president anymore either until it's a legitimate vote. Pretty screwed up a candidate could win a state by a small number and they essentially still flush the votes of the lesser. They literally mean nothing. Talk about being disenfranchised. Still, it's a good idea to vote local. The numbers are a lot closer where even 1 or 2% thinking like you can shift the outcome by not voting.
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Well, let's just say, if the Bernie faithful didn't sit out 2016 in droves we might not have had a Trump presidency. The turnout numbers were pitiful. I don't really want to vote for things like president anymore either until it's a legitimate vote. Pretty screwed up a candidate could win a state by a small number and they essentially still flush the votes of the lesser. They literally mean nothing. Talk about being disenfranchised. Still, it's a good idea to vote local. The numbers are a lot closer where even 1 or 2% thinking like you can shift the outcome by not voting.
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Billy the Great Khan
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Yeah but the outcome doesn't matter. Fucked is still fucked.
cawacko
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It's weird man, the numbers are what they are yet people want to fight against them. Like your article laid out, for years more people have left California than come to California within the U.S. The overall population in California has grown because of immigration and births. Those are just facts.
It is not retarded. You benefit from services voted on by politicians we elected and you don't vote because they do nothing for you. Seems hypocritical (as you drive on public highways).
Some don't want to admit people are leaving a liberal state (especially if they are going to Texas).
You really do sound like you've embraced the Goth mentality. You still need a Goth humor shirt.
Dutch Uncle
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It depends upon how many others also voted against it. If you lost 10 to 1, yeah, you're fucked. Especially when it comes to raising taxes again. If it was closer to 1 to 1 and you still lost, keep pushing to avoid a second tax increase a couple years later because more voters are with you. If they just give up, then all of you are fucked in a self-fulfilling prophecy.
That explains why you are gay.
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cawacko
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The joke I've heard is every thing person in Austin is from California.
We all know why the numbers are the way they are. Young people come to California to pursue their dreams. You want to be in entertainment you go to L.A. You want to be in the tech world come to the Bay Area. When you're single and in your 20's you don't care how you live so 5 people will live in a 2 bedroom apartment because that's what it takes to afford it. But ultimately people want their own space and then get married and start a family. To get a home costs $1.5m. A lot of people can't afford that. And unless you bought in the '70's when things were more affordable it's not easy for working class or even many middle class people to stay here. It's why we have such wealth inequality.
It's why more people leave the state than come from within the U.S. But you have some of the best and brightest from around the world who come here as well (along with those who come illegally) and that's why our population grows (along with births).
But yeah, people who claim to care about the working and middle class have created an amazing state for the wealthy but not so much for those who aren't.
Agreed, but California should work harder to keep those Californians in their state.
They don't need to change anything if they already think it is a progressive utopia.
It is lower than average income workers that are leaving because they can't afford to stay.
Billy the Great Khan
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"Just vote harder! Keep voting until voting works!"
Yeah, that's the sound of someone who makes animals sacrifices to the Sun God for a good harvest.
Billy the Great Khan
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People aren't getting married or starting families though. Especially now.
How was your voting experience? Did you do it in person? Long wait?
We dropped our vote-by-mail ballots in our township's lock box two weeks ago. Our ballots were verified and logged and will be tallied on Election Day.
That reminds me. Saw a discussion here the other night where some RW idiot was claiming that just as many (R)s were voting by mail as (D)s in Michigan. This cannot be true, as it is a felony to open, look at, or count ballots in Michigan until election day. There is no way to know how we have voted until then.
cawacko
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In the Bay Area people definitely wait longer than many other parts of the country to get married that's for sure. But they still do. (everything is getting thrown out the window during COVID though, you are not wrong there)
Probably there is nothing that can accomplish that. Voting to legalize rec MJ though might be something to consider.
If you vote, at least you've earned the right to complain bitterly for the next some years if your guy didn't win.
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The Sage
No way. I vote only on Election Day. Gives them less time to screw with my vote.
We can still complain bitterly even if we don't vote.
This year the loser will be complaining for the next four years that the winner cheated.