Do natural rights exist?

Do natural rights exist?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 41.7%

  • No

    Votes: 7 58.3%
  • Total voters
    12
Watermark said:
LOL, different in practice, maybe, but not in their ultimate basis. All human nature is grounded in several ultimate values which are recognized in every culture, and applied in different, often seemingly conflicted, sometimes extreme ways.
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LOL. Southernman 101.
 
Watermark said:
LOL, different in practice, maybe, but not in their ultimate basis. All human nature is grounded in several ultimate values which are recognized in every culture, and applied in different, often seemingly conflicted, sometimes extreme ways.
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name 3 "natural rights" that every human culture shares. from today's culture/civilization through history. i'm curious.
 
My precious, wait a little longer I will end your strife, I will bring you back to life!, then I'll end your fucking life! Now dear Fernando I am here to kill you now and burst, let your death quinch my thirst.
 
This is funny. America was created exclusively on the basis of Natural Rights, and we have a majority voting against them. Apparently utilitarianism has indeed defeated liberalism.
 
Threedee said:
This is funny. America was created exclusively on the basis of Natural Rights, and we have a majority voting against them. Apparently utilitarianism has indeed defeated liberalism.
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I was thinking the same, but seems to me this board leans Canadian. :cof1:
 
Threedee said:
This is funny. America was created exclusively on the basis of Natural Rights, and we have a majority voting against them. Apparently utilitarianism has indeed defeated liberalism.
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what were/are the natural rights of the indians who lived here? or do you believe they had no rights?

would you agree that if the majority in this country swings towards certain natural rights, that we should ignore those rights?
 
Yurt said:
what were/are the natural rights of the indians who lived here? or do you believe they had no rights?

would you agree that if the majority in this country swings towards certain natural rights, that we should ignore those rights?
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Life, Liberty and Property is pretty sweeping, and if we want to play outside of them, that's fine, but they should take precedent over any "rights" that conflict with them. Obviously, the Natives were denied their Natural Rights.
 
Threedee said:
Life, Liberty and Property is pretty sweeping, and if we want to play outside of them, that's fine, but they should take precedent over any "rights" that conflict with them. Obviously, the Natives were denied their Natural Rights.
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what is life

what is liberty

what is property

and how do you know the natives were denied their natural rights? do you even now what they considered "natural rights"?
 
Yurt said:
what is life (not being killed)

what is liberty (not being controlled by govt.)

what is property (anything you own or possess, and being able to acquire more)

and how do you know the natives were denied their natural rights? do you even now what they considered "natural rights"? They had lives that were taken (granted, about 90% died from disease, many thousands were slaughtered), liberty that was denied (such as the "five noble tribes" that weren't allowed to live freely and enjoy the constitutional protections of their sovereign lands), and property that was taken (again, their tribal lands).
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Why the moral relativist questions? You sound like a leftist.
 
a11n said:
My precious, wait a little longer I will end your strife, I will bring you back to life!, then I'll end your fucking life! Now dear Fernando I am here to kill you now and burst, let your death quinch my thirst.
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slowly, very slowly

or quickly if you are in a hurry for more...i too quench my lust for blood:clink:

come, dance the danse macabre and revel in the blood for to dance is to live
 
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Those rights under that umbrella of natural rights are not natural in the sense that they are automatic, but a rational society grants them to all individuals, not on religious grounds, but on the grounds that cooperation and trust works in everyone's favor, and an assurance that these rights will be respected from each to each guarantees maximumx participation in mutually beneficial relationships.
 
AssHatZombie said:
Those rights under that umbrella of natural rights are not natural in the sense that they are automatic, but a rational society grants them to all individuals, not on religious grounds, but on the grounds that cooperation and trust works in everyone's favor, and an assurance that these rights will be respected from each to each guarantees maximumx participation in mutually beneficial relationships.
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dang, there you go and get all rationale on us :clink:
 
AssHatZombie said:
Those rights under that umbrella of natural rights are not natural in the sense that they are automatic, but a rational society grants them to all individuals, not on religious grounds, but on the grounds that cooperation and trust works in everyone's favor, and an assurance that these rights will be respected from each to each guarantees maximumx participation in mutually beneficial relationships.
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ummm, hate to disagree with you there my friend, but you don't 'give' or 'grant' me my rights. I have them, period. In order to deny me those rights, you'll have to take them from me by force....and by force I mean kill me.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
ummm, hate to disagree with you there my friend, but you don't 'give' or 'grant' me my rights. I have them, period. In order to deny me those rights, you'll have to take them from me by force....and by force I mean kill me.
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Such is true of all rights and liscenses. But it is the Natural Rights which are most important, self-evident, and in need of protection (by constitutions and their enforcers).
 
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