To all you blasting the President for not causing a panic!

Nordberg said:
Double laugh, of course, they did. I did. Many others did. We are not religiously linked to our leaders. We are permitted to criticize and we do. Trumpies are not allowed that right or they would be slammed all over the board if they suggested fearless leader did something wrong.
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See my reply to Phan.
 
LV426 said:
Except that there's no 200,000+ dead because of "the left".

There's no second economic collapse in 10 years because of "the left".

There's no foreign collusion and conspiracy because of "the left".

There's also no Nazis -er, um I mean "very fine people"- marching in the streets freely because of "the left".

There's no recession because of tax cuts from "the left".

So...what exactly has "the right" been right about when everything they've ever done has turned into disaster, just as "the left" predicted?
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Yes, there are. I hold all of Congress responsible. Trump is responsible for his actions, but Congress is responsible for properly funding and focusing upon their job as laid out in the Constitution:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

They failed. When they blame it all on Trump, they are still failing. IMO, only "We, the People" can force them to do their jobs but we can't do that if we don't know what those jobs are. Political extremism isn't the solution, it's the problem.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Yes, there are. I hold all of Congress responsible. Trump is responsible for his actions, but Congress is responsible for properly funding and focusing upon their job as laid out in the Constitution
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Who is it who said he would deliberately not bring a vote to the floor of the Senate on any of the bills passed by the House, including the coronavirus response passed back in May, and what party and ideology does he belong to?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
They failed. When they blame it all on Trump, they are still failing. IMO, only "We, the People" can force them to do their jobs but we can't do that if we don't know what those jobs are. Political extremism isn't the solution, it's the problem.
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Except that Moscow Mitch proudly proclaimed that he was the "Grim Reaper" when it came to legislation like the coronavirus response bill the House passed back in May.

So you can't bOtHsIdEs this. Only one ideology is to blame. HINT: It's the one that is now thanking Trump for lying to them.
 
LV426 said:
Jesus fucking Christ....

You are the one who demanded we vote for Biden in the primaries, remember?

You're the one who was arguing with me 6 months ago that Biden was a moderate centrist who could attract voters, and that Bernie and AOC and the rest were passionate, but sorely misguided.

So now you're reversing yourself from 6 months ago to now claim that Biden is going to inundate Congress with the horrible leftist plans of...giving everyone health care.

Jesus fucking Christ, you're a joke.

Did you write this ironically???
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LV426 said:
Amazing...

So after screaming at me for weeks during the primaries that we had to vote for Biden, you're now saying that vote was pointless since Pelosi and Schumer are just going to ram through Bernie and AOC's popular programs most everyone favors anyway (like M4A which has a 69% support, making you the extremist on that issue).

Now you're making ambiguous threats that if everyone gets health care, there will be more division? How? Sounds a lot like something an abuser would say to someone. "Don't do anything because it'll just make me mad".

Eat shit, centrist goon.
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Please cite a single example of me "screaming" that you "vote for Biden". You won't find it and, knowing you, you won't apologize for your error. You'll just waddle along to the next mistake.

Since I'm not a Democrat and have never voted for a Democrat President, why would I push anyone to vote for any candidate? Biden is, indeed, one of the more moderate candidates, but not as moderate as several a few of those who initially ran as Democrats. Biden is more Center of the Left than simply being left of center.

Is there any doubt he'll jam a gun ban bill down the throats of all American by next Summer? He'll do what Schumer, Pelosi and other top Democrats tell him to do.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Please cite a single example of me "screaming" that you "vote for Biden". You won't find it and, knowing you, you won't apologize for your error. You'll just waddle along to the next mistake.
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Are you fucking kidding me? You and I tangled over Biden's centrist just six months ago! You were the one saying that we had to nominate a centrist. Now you're saying that it was pointless to do that.

Unbelievable.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Since I'm not a Democrat and have never voted for a Democrat President, why would I push anyone to vote for any candidate? Biden is, indeed, one of the more moderate candidates, but not as moderate as several a few of those who initially ran as Democrats. Biden is more Center of the Left than simply being left of center.
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That's not what you were saying six months ago. Six months ago, you were saying we had to vote for moderates and centrists because Bernie and AOC's policies would turn off voters, even though voters widely and largely support their two biggest initiatives; Green New Deal (63% support) and M4A (69% support)


Is there any doubt he'll jam a gun ban bill down the throats of all American by next Summer? He'll do what Schumer, Pelosi and other top Democrats tell him to do.
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A gun bill that has 92% support? Sure.

Why does it feel like you're laying the excuses now to either vote for Trump, vote 3P, or not vote at all?
 
LV426 said:
Except that Moscow Mitch proudly proclaimed that he was the "Grim Reaper" when it came to legislation like the coronavirus response bill the House passed back in May.

So you can't bOtHsIdEs this. Only one ideology is to blame. HINT: It's the one that is now thanking Trump for lying to them.
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So? Mitch is another spineless weasel who isn't doing his fucking job. What does that have to do with my post?

Seriously? If you really think so, that that is completely fucked up. The world is not just Black & White. It's the full, unlimited spectrum. To grossly oversimplify it down to only one of two options is completely delusional.

Do you agree with the quoted paragraphs from the Declaration of Independence and the Preamble of the Constitution? If so, then why are we having this conversation?
 
LV426 said:
That's not what you were saying six months ago. Six months ago, you were saying we had to vote for moderates and centrists because Bernie and AOC's policies would turn off voters, even though voters widely and largely support their two biggest initiatives; Green New Deal (63% support) and M4A (69% support)

A gun bill that has 92% support? Sure.

Why does it feel like you're laying the excuses now to either vote for Trump, vote 3P, or not vote at all?
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Ahh, some honesty by backpedaling. Now just backpedal a little more by saying I advocated moderate candidates as better for everyone so you won't be a liar.

Do you seek to deceive intentionally or does it just come naturally to you? Do you see banning AR 15s and high capacity magazines has have 92% support?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
So? Mitch is another spineless weasel who isn't doing his fucking job. What does that have to do with my post?
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It explains that your attempt to condemn all of Congress for the actions of a couple people is bOtHsIdErIsM at its worst.

McConnell controls what gets a vote on the floor of the Senate.

I can only assume you didn't realize Moscow Mitch was doing that because you didn't make that distinction, either because you're lazy, ignorant, or being deliberately deceptive.

So which is it? Are you lazy, an ignoramus, or a troll?

Because you can only be one of those three things based on what you posted.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
So? Mitch is another spineless weasel who isn't doing his fucking job. What does that have to do with my post?

Seriously? If you really think so, that that is completely fucked up. The world is not just Black & White. It's the full, unlimited spectrum. To grossly oversimplify it down to only one of two options is completely delusional.\
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Because he is the Majority Leader of the Senate, McConnell gets to decide what bill;s are brought to the floor for a vote.

The COVID relief bill has been sitting there since May.

The House passed that bill 4 months ago.

So it's not bOtHsIdEs...it's one side.

You're not being honest because I don't believe you know how to be.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Do you agree with the quoted paragraphs from the Declaration of Independence and the Preamble of the Constitution? If so, then why are we having this conversation?
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Do you agree with the fact that the Constitution specifically lays out that bills are brought to the floor of the Senate by the majority leader?

Or did you just skip all that because you have a compulsion to blame all sides instead of doing the work?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Ahh, some honesty by backpedaling. Now just backpedal a little more by saying I advocated moderate candidates as better for everyone so you won't be a liar.
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So now you're bitching about semantics...so you're now admitting you're the one who pushed for moderate candidates, and now you're reversing yourself by saying those moderate candidates are just Trojan Horses for policies most Americans support anyway.

Unbelievable. What a fucking joke.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Do you seek to deceive intentionally or does it just come naturally to you? Do you see banning AR 15s and high capacity magazines has have 92% support?
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You're the divider, pal. You're the one who pushed for moderate candidates six months ago, but are now saying the moderate candidates are just really Trojan Horses for policies most people support.

You're the extremist. You oppose M4A (69% support), you oppose the GND (63%), you oppose gun control (92% support)....

So how am I the extremist and not you? Your positions are more out of line with the actual support. Your centrism is extremism, and that is proven by your lazy bOtHsIdErIsM that is really opposed not to Democratic government, but to the institution of government.

I bet you think it makes you look clever to condemn both sides. It doesn't. It makes you look lazy. But maybe that's the message you want to send to people; that you're too lazy to do the work.
 
LV426 said:
Do you agree with the fact that the Constitution specifically lays out that bills are brought to the floor of the Senate by the majority leader?

Or did you just skip all that because you have a compulsion to blame all sides instead of doing the work?
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Of course I agree. What does this have to do with my initial post?
 
LV426 said:
So now you're bitching about semantics...so you're now admitting you're the one who pushed for moderate candidates, and now you're reversing yourself by saying those moderate candidates are just Trojan Horses for policies most Americans support anyway.

Unbelievable. What a fucking joke.
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LV426 said:
You're the divider, pal. You're the one who pushed for moderate candidates six months ago, but are now saying the moderate candidates are just really Trojan Horses for policies most people support.

You're the extremist. You oppose M4A (69% support), you oppose the GND (63%), you oppose gun control (92% support)....

So how am I the extremist and not you? Your positions are more out of line with the actual support. Your centrism is extremism, and that is proven by your lazy bOtHsIdErIsM that is really opposed not to Democratic government, but to the institution of government.

I bet you think it makes you look clever to condemn both sides. It doesn't. It makes you look lazy. But maybe that's the message you want to send to people; that you're too lazy to do the work.
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When you can cite the post, then we can talk. $10 says you can't cite a single fucking post, much less weeks worth, of me pushing you to vote for Biden.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Of course I agree. What does this have to do with my initial post?
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As I said twice already, it's not Congress that failed...it's McConnell and the GOP that refuses to vote on any of the bills passed by the House...including the coronavirus bill the House passed back in May.

So how is that the fault of all sides or any other side than Conservatism?

You're not really a details-oriented kind of guy, are you?
 
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