First night of RNC convention is a PREDICTABLE !!!

Hello Dutch Uncle,



Nice big post, lots of references, but not one single example of a lie told by an elected Democrat or Candidate at the DNC....
Disagreed with your belief and advocating that the Democrats didn't spin the truth during their convention.

I've already agreed the Republicans are liars so there's no need to waste my time telling me something we already agree upon. Our disagreement is between your belief that the Democrats are always a source of truth and honesty whereas I think they lie almost as much as the Republicans.

Their spin on gun control, international relations, comments about the Republicans, fear-mongering, the list goes on.

Pick a subject and I'll be happy to point out the spin from the Democrats. Guns would be a very good one since you and I both know we disagree there. ;)
 
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Are you actually going to try to compare last week Democratic Convention to this?

Taped, Live ... whatever ...

No ... really are you actually seeing the same production everyone else is?

Even FOX sees the Truth ... why won’t you?

It used to be that the Democrats, having the full support of Hollywood, would have the best presentations, but that's changed a lot since Clinton.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,



Nice big post, lots of references, but not one single example of a lie told by an elected Democrat or Candidate at the DNC.

The RNC has already been full of them.

"Democrats want to destroy the suburbs."

Can you believe this nonsense?

Well of course you can't. It's a lie. There is no quote of any Democrat saying they want to destroy the suburbs. Not one!

It's outrageous. And it is so ridiculous I just can't imagine anybody in their right mind who really believes such BS.

Why would a major political party campaign to destroy the suburbs? It makes no sense. What possible purpose? It's so off the wall only a fool would believe such nonsense.


I’ve lived in the Suburbs my entire life with both Republicans and Democrats ... and you’re full of Shit
 
I have no problem with Republicans having their convention, making public what policy they would like to pursue, why they think it is better than Democratic proposals. But they are making a farce of party business and instead launching into fantasy land where all their worst imaginations about Democrats can be voiced, none of it true.

The Dems talked about things that really exist. Verifiable quotes of Republicans.

They don't need to make up that Trump said 15 cases going to zero, or that 'it would go away in the warm weather.

Hey, remember the two weeks that were going to be the worst weeks? And then it was going to all get better and miraculously go away?

Democrats don't have to make this stuff up. You can't make this stuff up. Republicans make it up and SAY IT. Truth doesn't matter to them.

The problem is.... most Americans don't care about what Trump said about the virus early on. They care more about the rabidly leftist direction the Democrats are trying to take the country. The violence in the streets that Democrats refuse to denounce, the admission that they would immediately raise taxes... thus stifling and killing any economic recovery from Covid-19...massive illegal immigration (no borders, no walls) and blanket amnesty for millions of illegals. And let's not even talk about how they would come after Americans' guns and take away 2nd Amendment gun rights (just ask the McCloskeys re: that preview of coming Democrat attractions).

So yeah... keep blathering on and on and on about what Trump "said" or didn't say about the ChiCom Virus. Nobody (but rabid leftists) cares.
 
The problem is.... most Americans don't care about what Trump said about the virus early on. They care more about the rabidly leftist direction the Democrats are trying to take the country. The violence in the streets that Democrats refuse to denounce, the admission that they would immediately raise taxes... thus stifling and killing any economic recovery from Covid-19...massive illegal immigration (no borders, no walls) and blanket amnesty for millions of illegals. And let's not even talk about how they would come after Americans' guns and take away 2nd Amendment gun rights (just ask the McCloskeys re: that preview of coming Democrat attractions).

So yeah... keep blathering on and on and on about what Trump "said" or didn't say about the ChiCom Virus. Nobody (but rabid leftists) cares.

Although I disagree on some of the points you made, I readily agree this is more about the "D" and the "R" than Biden and Trump.

The prospect of the Democrats running the WH, the Senate and the House should disturb Americans as much as having the Republicans do the same.
 
Although I disagree on some of the points you made, I readily agree this is more about the "D" and the "R" than Biden and Trump.

The prospect of the Democrats running the WH, the Senate and the House should disturb Americans as much as having the Republicans do the same.

Well....here's my logic. I've seen the results of the Republicans running the WH and the Senate for the past four years. Therefore, I trust them a lot more than I would ever trust the Democrats. Truth be told... I don't trust the Democrats at all. They have proven how little they care for the US Constitution, the US economy and for Americans in general. They only care about power and the votes it requires to get power.
 
Well....here's my logic. I've seen the results of the Republicans running the WH and the Senate for the past four years. Therefore, I trust them a lot more than I would ever trust the Democrats. Truth be told... I don't trust the Democrats at all. They have proven how little they care for the US Constitution, the US economy and for Americans in general. They only care about power and the votes it requires to get power.

Nevertheless, it's up to Americans to decide how to vote....and I do believe we get the government we deserve.

The Democrats aren't alone in seeking power and the votes it requires to get that power. The lying and fear-mongering in this election is proof of that point.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Disagreed with your belief and advocating that the Democrats didn't spin the truth during their convention.

I've already agreed the Republicans are liars so there's no need to waste my time telling me something we already agree upon. Our disagreement is between your belief that the Democrats are always a source of truth and honesty ...

Whoa! Where did you get THAT???

I didn't say THAT.

...whereas I think they lie almost as much as the Republicans.

Their spin on gun control, international relations, comments about the Republicans, fear-mongering, the list goes on.

Pick a subject and I'll be happy to point out the spin from the Democrats. Guns would be a very good one since you and I both know we disagree there. ;)

All I did was ask for one example of one elected Democrat or Candidate who told a lie in a speech AT THE DNC last week.

4 Days of Democrat speeches to choose from.

If they are liars there should be a lie. Where is it? Quote, please...

If it's a lie I will back down. I just need the quote.

If not, then I stand by my statement.

Republicans make things up about Dems but the Dems only need to tell the ugly truth about Republicans.

Especially the big Trump fans with all the fawning and BS.
 
Nevertheless, it's up to Americans to decide how to vote....and I do believe we get the government we deserve.

The Democrats aren't alone in seeking power and the votes it requires to get that power. The lying and fear-mongering in this election is proof of that point.

Well... you don't sound like you are "for" either party. Yet... your sig line says "Deep State Recruiter". So...

which is it?
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Whoa! Where did you get THAT???


I didn't say THAT.

All I did was ask for one example of one elected Democrat or Candidate who told a lie in a speech AT THE DNC last week.

4 Days of Democrat speeches to choose from.

If they are liars there should be a lie. Where is it? Quote, please...

If it's a lie I will back down. I just need the quote.

If not, then I stand by my statement.

Republicans make things up about Dems but the Dems only need to tell the ugly truth about Republicans.

Especially the big Trump fans with all the fawning and BS.

From this conversation. Example:
....I did not hear one statement from any elected Democrat or candidate at the DNC which was a lie....

Then there was the discussion lying by omission. Are you still asserting that not a single statement by the Democrats during their convention was a lie?

Take the spin the Democrats always take on the NRA and on gun control. They regularly demonize the NRA, which is lying all by itself, but they mislead Americans by continually saying "80% of Americans support universal background checks". That's not quite true once it's clarified that it means eliminating private sales, including a father gifting a gun to his own child. I don't want criminals or insane people getting guns, but that has nothing to do with the Democrat obsession to ban assault weapons. (BTW, note my correction to post #33). I also don't want to make it a crime for a parent to let his 12 year old kid shoot his .22. Again, the problem is the spin, the lies by omission of what the Democrats really intend to do.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...sals-stark-partisan-divisions-on-many-others/
 
Well... you don't sound like you are "for" either party. Yet... your sig line says "Deep State Recruiter". So...

which is it?

I'm not for either party. I'm among the 40% of Americans disgusted with both parties. I was a Republican for 38 years before I became an Independent.

There is no such thing as the Deep State. It's as flawed of thinking as to believe the US government acts as a solitary mind and not a collection of thousands of Americans, most of them patriots. There is no secret star chamber, cabal, club of master elites who pull all the strings behind the scenes of the global stage or even the US stage. It's just a bunch of people doing people things.

Hanlon's Razor applies to the US government as it does any bureaucracy.
 
I'm not for either party. I'm among the 40% of Americans disgusted with both parties. I was a Republican for 38 years before I became an Independent.

There is no such thing as the Deep State. It's as flawed of thinking as to believe the US government acts as a solitary mind and not a collection of thousands of Americans, most of them patriots. There is no secret star chamber, cabal, club of master elites who pull all the strings behind the scenes of the global stage or even the US stage. It's just a bunch of people doing people things.

Hanlon's Razor applies to the US government as it does any bureaucracy.

Actually... there is such a thing as the Deep State in America. It's part of the globalist agenda, in fact. And denying that it exists doesn't change that fact.

But nice try. :cool:
 
Actually... there is such a thing as the Deep State in America. It's part of the globalist agenda, in fact. And denying that it exists doesn't change that fact.

But nice try. :cool:
That's what all the best nutjobs say!
 
Hello Lenie,

The problem is.... most Americans don't care about what Trump said about the virus early on.

Yes, Americans do care about what Trump says and said. It is up to the well informed and actively engaged populace to oversee what a 'government by the consent of the governed' is doing, and particularly the president. Trump works for us. We are his bosses. If we don't hold him accountable for his deeds and his words then our democracy fails. I am completely discounting the above statement unless you can provide a link to a poll that indicates that 'most Americans don't care about what Trump said about the virus early on.' I care, and I know a lot of other people who care as well. Right now, the president is polling badly, he is trailing Joe Biden by 7.6 points in the average of major polls presented by Real Clear Politics. LOTS of people CARE.

They care more about the rabidly leftist direction the Democrats are trying to take the country.

You're only talking about conservative Trump supporters. The general population now favors Joe Biden For President.

The violence in the streets that Democrats refuse to denounce, the admission that they would immediately raise taxes... thus stifling and killing any economic recovery from Covid-19...

The economy under Trump pre-COVID was a farce, a facade, fake. Sure, all the numbers looked great with the exception of a GIANT OOPS in the FEDERAL DEBT. (That's a big oops.) Sure, an economy does better when government THROWS MONEY AT IT. That is exactly what the tax cut did. By not collecting enough revenue to even pay for the government, it is a false farce of an economy built on growing government debt. Thowing money at the already-rich, that's what it is. You can't continue to pile on federal debt forever. Taxes have to be high enough to pay for the government. If you cut taxes too low, then government takes on debt. That's not sustainable. Sure, it looks good for a while if you never look at the federal debt. What happened to all those Republican deficit hawks who railed constantly about the debt under Obama? What happened to them when Trump took on even more debt? Not a peep. They all flew south for the winter, and never came back.

Obama had to take on debt to deal with the crashed economy he inherited. He was responsible. As soon as the economy got stable again, the deficit was being reduced because taxes were high enough to pay for the government. Trump cut taxes too much, cut the revenue, and the debt exploded - and that was pre-COVID. Irresponsible!

It is completely irresponsible to cut taxes when the economy is already doing well. That is when you have to service the debt. That is the ONLY time you have a strong enough economy to reduce the debt. You certainly can't do it during a recession. It has to be done when the economy is doing well. The economy was doing well when Trump took office. He signed off on a totally irresponsible tax cut that was not needed. And it screwed us all. Now the debt is way up there.

Yes, of course taxes will have to be raised. That's the responsible thing to do. It's paying for what you got. It's time for the rich to pay. They 'all got a lot richer' (famous Mar-A-Lago quote from Trump) so now it's time for THE RICH to pay down the federal debt.

massive illegal immigration (no borders, no walls)

No Democrat has ever said they want 'no borders, no walls.' Nothing but more Republican propaganda. Show us the quote. Where is any Democrat who EVER said they want 'no borders, no walls?' You have no such quote. It's just made up baloney. Pure BS.

and blanket amnesty for millions of illegals. And let's not even talk about how they would come after Americans' guns and take away 2nd Amendment gun rights (just ask the McCloskeys re: that preview of coming Democrat attractions).

So yeah... keep blathering on and on and on about what Trump "said" or didn't say about the ChiCom Virus. Nobody (but rabid leftists) cares.

'Blathering' is not a very respectful way to refer to an earnest poster giving an honest opinion. My posts are anything but 'rabid.' Can you possibly state your opposing view without being mean?

Please be respectful. I only talk to respectful people. I have no desire to enter into a disparagement contest. I am here to discuss politics. If you wish to talk about the issues I am fine with that. I will tell you how I feel and back it up with credible quotes and links. If you want to dis those who say things you don't like then that will not work out for us:

This is my Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate!

If that is agreeable, I welcome your comments. Even if I disagree with you, I support freedom of speech and your right to post your view. It is your view I am interested in, not your disrespect. If you can't separate them, then we probably will not be talking long. Your previous post, for example, was a disrespectful post. You need to talk to me like I am somebody you care about; and you don't want to insult. Some people can turn it on and off at will. Can you? I don't care how you treat others. That's your thing. Can you just talk to me straight? If you can do that I will continue to talk to you. If you double down and want to 'tell me off' you better make it good because it will be the last post of yours I ever read.

So what's it gonna be? I am not into playing games. I came to talk politics. Nothing personal.

Do you possess the capacity to post with respect?

If you can't counter my points with respect then your view is worthless to me. Political positions based on insults are false. Do you really support an honest position? If so, please expound upon it. Go ahead. Make my day. I would really like to be pleasantly surprised.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Then there was the discussion lying by omission. Are you still asserting that not a single statement by the Democrats during their convention was a lie?

I stated my assertion in plain understandable English. It requires no interpretation. What I said was what I said.

The whole other thing about guns? We've been around on that. I don't recall much being said about gun control at the DNC. What Republicans have said about guns at the RNC is made-up BS. They did not quote a single Democrat speech from the DNC.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,



I stated my assertion in plain understandable English. It requires no interpretation. What I said was what I said.

The whole other thing about guns? We've been around on that. I don't recall much being said about gun control at the DNC. What Republicans have said about guns at the RNC is made-up BS. They did not quote a single Democrat speech from the DNC.

Sorry, man, but you're wrong for the previously mentioned reasons. Mainly, lying by omission.

No, it's not all about guns. You asked for an example but failed to give one so I gave you an example. Sorry if you didn't like it.
 
"This wasn’t supposed to happen.

During this week’s Democratic National Convention, which was supposed to launch Joe Biden and Kamala Harris's ticket into the fall election with good feelings and high poll numbers, President Trump’s approval rating surged.

The Rasmussen Reports daily average for Trump, which is spread over three days, hit 51% this week — and has stayed there.

On the first day of the Democratic National Convention, Trump's approval rating was 47%."
washingtonexaminer.com

After the gloom and doom Democratic Convention, no wonder that President Trump had a big bump.

Polls mean absolutely nothing.
 
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