COVID - Europe's Success, Trump's Failure

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Europe’s Economy to Outpace U.S. in Upending of Past Roles

- Tough lockdowns mean euro area suffered a deeper contraction- But recent measures of activity suggest a stronger recovery-

The euro area economy is for once set for a sprightlier recovery from crisis than the U.S., thanks to starkly different responses to the coronavirus.

America’s failure to get a grip on the pandemic is putting the brakes on its rebound compared with Europe, where many former virus hot spots managed to resume economic activity without causing a similar surge in infections.

Crucial for a sustainable recovery is confidence that the virus is no longer out of control, and Europe’s relative success may help encourage shoppers to spend and businesses to invest, further propelling demand and growth. The region has also done a better job of protecting jobs and incomes, at least for now, with furlough programs keeping millions of workers on payrolls.

According to JPMorgan Chase & Co., Europe will do better because it has “broken the chain” that links mobility and the virus.

Goldman Sachs Group Inc. has cited effective virus control as one reason it expects a “steeper and smoother rebound in the euro area than elsewhere.”

“It’s very clear that the euro area turned down more sharply but we also expect it to bounce back more sharply,” said Jari Stehn, chief European economist at Goldman Sachs. “It’s pretty rare that the euro area would outgrow the U.S. over a horizon of one to two years.”

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Stretch said:
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The reason we are lagging behind Europe and most of the developed world in addressing the risk of this virus is because people like you and Trump called this a Democratic hoax, said it was no worse than the common cold, that it would disappear like miracle when the weather got warm, and spent the last seven months denying and downplaying the risk of this virus.
 
COVID has certain business effects, but the riots have been a lot more significant in harming our economy. If Europe dealt with as many nutjobs in the streets as we apparently have, they wouldn't be doing so well either.
 
Woko Haram said:
COVID has certain business effects, but the riots have been a lot more significant in harming our economy. If Europe dealt with as many nutjobs in the streets as we apparently have, they wouldn't be doing so well either.
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BLM did not cause TrumpCo to be as inept as they are addressing this pandemic.

This clusterfuck is directly attributable to TrumpCo.'s utter ineptitude in recognizing and addressing the risk of this pandemic
 
Cypress said:
BLM did not cause TrumpCo to be as inept as they are addressing this pandemic.

This clusterfuck is directly attributable to TrumpCo.'s utter ineptitude in recognizing and addressing the risk of this pandemic
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I know you guys are really hoping that the public will go with that while ignoring the turmoil in places like Portland, but it largely depends on if Antifa will actually back down in time for the elections.

There's another factor that isn't often discussed. In various states like North Carolina, migrant labor is common. Because a large portion of these people are illegals, they don't have health insurance, so they find it difficult to get tested. Meanwhile, they end up spreading the virus throughout their communities and sometimes outside of them. Currently, 45% of all infections in NC are among Latinos. I don't have the exact numbers on how many are illegal, but when considering how the vast majority of new infections in the last month have been in the eastern parts of the state where various farms are, it's pretty clear that a lot of them likely are migrants.

North Carolina is just one of many states facing this dilemma from migrant labor. This isn't as much an issue in Europe. They do have migrant labor as well, but most of it is legal, and they have healthcare systems that actually test everyone that needs to be.
 
Cypress said:
The reason we are lagging behind Europe and most of the developed world in addressing the risk of this virus is because people like you and Trump called this a Democratic hoax, said it was no worse than the common cold, that it would disappear like miracle when the weather got warm, and spent the last seven months denying and downplaying the risk of this virus.
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trash
We use every mitigation strategy possible -we even shut down the damn economy -unheard of.
the "novel" virus is super infectious and Mexico is doing a number on the southern states..

but but but..."Trump did it"
 
Cypress said:
The reason we are lagging behind Europe and most of the developed world in addressing the risk of this virus is because people like you and Trump called this a Democratic hoax, said it was no worse than the common cold, that it would disappear like miracle when the weather got warm, and spent the last seven months denying and downplaying the risk of this virus.
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OK. You said we are lagging BEHIND Europe. WE are the ones with all the lockdowns, closing businesses, closing schools and wearing
body armor everywhere the last 3 months. Europe basically got back in the groove of living after a few weeks acquiring some degree
of herd immunity. Plus they didn't have any left wing riots and mayhem terrorizing their countries with tightly packed together thugs
spreading spit and blood all over the place. Also, their ECDC got all their stats correctly done. All our sky-high numbers are because
of the left wing tantrums still raging and politicizing this thinking it makes Trump look bad, instead of the lying CDC.

News flash. Your inflated stat scam has been exposed. The left wants our country destroyed and to take out as many human lives
as possible in the process. Whether it's with bats and pipes or a disease. As long as there is violence and death, you're all satisfied.


Europe’s post-lockdown rules compared
https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-coronavirus-post-lockdown-rules-compared-face-mask-travel/
 
dukkha said:
trash
We use every mitigation strategy possible -we even shut down the damn economy -unheard of.
the "novel" virus is super infectious and Mexico is doing a number on the southern states..

but but but..."Trump did it"
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There is no amount of tap dancing, no level of obfuscation, no attempts to misdirect which will change this very simple fact >

Trump totally underestimated the risk and his response to the pandemic was utterly inept.

This is confirmed by the facts on the ground.

Nations in western Europe and East Asia generally have this thing under control and reasonably well managed --- while the pandemic continues to rage here, while Trump was packing people like sardines into sports arenas, and while conservatives still refuse to wear masks and think they are sticking it to libs by going maskless
 
dukkha said:
trash
We use every mitigation strategy possible -we even shut down the damn economy -unheard of.
the "novel" virus is super infectious and Mexico is doing a number on the southern states..

but but but..."Trump did it"
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The only mitigation strategy we haven't used is the one that works you lying sack of ass snot
 
Stretch said:
OK. You said we are lagging BEHIND Europe. WE are the ones with all the lockdowns, closing businesses, closing schools and wearing
body armor everywhere the last 3 months. Europe basically got back in the groove of living after a few weeks acquiring some degree
of herd immunity. Plus they didn't have any left wing riots and mayhem terrorizing their countries with tightly packed together thugs
spreading spit and blood all over the place. Also, their ECDC got all their stats correctly done. All our sky-high numbers are because
of the left wing tantrums still raging and politicizing this thinking it makes Trump look bad, instead of the lying CDC.

News flash. Your inflated stat scam has been exposed. The left wants our country destroyed and to take out as many human lives
as possible in the process. Whether it's with bats and pipes or a disease. As long as there is violence and death, you're all satisfied.


Europe’s post-lockdown rules compared
https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-coronavirus-post-lockdown-rules-compared-face-mask-travel/
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TrumpCo.'s inept response is confirmed by the facts on the ground.

Nations in western Europe and East Asia generally have this thing under control and reasonably well managed --- while the pandemic continues to rage here,

Maybe you and Trump should not have spent months downplaying and denying the nature and scope of the risk
 
Woko Haram said:
I know you guys are really hoping that the public will go with that while ignoring the turmoil in places like Portland, but it largely depends on if Antifa will actually back down in time for the elections.

There's another factor that isn't often discussed. In various states like North Carolina, migrant labor is common. Because a large portion of these people are illegals, they don't have health insurance, so they find it difficult to get tested. Meanwhile, they end up spreading the virus throughout their communities and sometimes outside of them. Currently, 45% of all infections in NC are among Latinos. I don't have the exact numbers on how many are illegal, but when considering how the vast majority of new infections in the last month have been in the eastern parts of the state where various farms are, it's pretty clear that a lot of them likely are migrants.

North Carolina is just one of many states facing this dilemma from migrant labor. This isn't as much an issue in Europe. They do have migrant labor as well, but most of it is legal, and they have healthcare systems that actually test everyone that needs to be.
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Yep, universal health care would go a long way to solve that problem, wouldn’t it?
 
The people in other nations will accept the countries plea to wear masks and social distance. In America we have people that think anything the government suggests is an infringement of their rights to act stupidly and dangerously. They are at the level of anti vaxxers. Wear masks and social distance and we can end Corona.
 
Nordberg said:
The people in other nations will accept the countries plea to wear masks and social distance. In America we have people that think anything the government suggests is an infringement of their rights to act stupidly and dangerously. They are at the level of anti vaxxers. Wear masks and social distance and we can end Corona.
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Republicans have made going without masks and packing in like sardines into churches and a sports arena to worship their Orange God a matter of "free choice" and trolling liberals.

Because Republicans have shown they are intent on making the pandemic worse, what we needed was a combination of mandatory social distancing and face masks with fines for those not complying, and we needed to implement the testing and tracking Korea and other countries did
 
Cypress said:
Europe’s Economy to Outpace U.S. in Upending of Past Roles

- Tough lockdowns mean euro area suffered a deeper contraction- But recent measures of activity suggest a stronger recovery-

The euro area economy is for once set for a sprightlier recovery from crisis than the U.S., thanks to starkly different responses to the coronavirus.

America’s failure to get a grip on the pandemic is putting the brakes on its rebound compared with Europe, where many former virus hot spots managed to resume economic activity without causing a similar surge in infections.

Crucial for a sustainable recovery is confidence that the virus is no longer out of control, and Europe’s relative success may help encourage shoppers to spend and businesses to invest, further propelling demand and growth. The region has also done a better job of protecting jobs and incomes, at least for now, with furlough programs keeping millions of workers on payrolls.

According to JPMorgan Chase & Co., Europe will do better because it has “broken the chain” that links mobility and the virus.

Goldman Sachs Group Inc. has cited effective virus control as one reason it expects a “steeper and smoother rebound in the euro area than elsewhere.”

“It’s very clear that the euro area turned down more sharply but we also expect it to bounce back more sharply,” said Jari Stehn, chief European economist at Goldman Sachs. “It’s pretty rare that the euro area would outgrow the U.S. over a horizon of one to two years.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bl...-set-to-outpace-u-s-in-upending-of-past-roles
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I never thought I would live in a country that had been quarantined off from the world. This is a MASSIVE failure for trump.
 
dukkha said:
We use every mitigation strategy possible -we even shut down the damn economy -unheard of.
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Almost everyone shutdown their economy. We have done very little compared to foreign countries. The big mitigation fail was we did almost no contact tracing.
 
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