Coulter Bagged by Media Matters

Onceler said:
For about the ten thousandth time, I have no problem with personal choice.

As Darla pointed out, people sent threats to radio stations, and organized boycotts of radio stations who merely played the Dixie Chicks. How is that American? We - the tyranny of the majority - are going to tell you what you can & cannot play, and hurt you if you don't play what we tell you to?

Ever hear of changing the station? It's ridiculous that you're defending this. They just wanted to shut people up. They didn't like opinions that differed w/ theirs, and they wanted to simply end them, so not only would they not hear them, but no one else would either.

That was the tone of that whole time period, but apparently, you missed it.
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Solitary said:
No one here is defending the death threats. No one here is defending the bushite's use of patriotism to suppress dissent.
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Well, the threats were a part of the Chicks boycott, as were the use of patriotism to suppress dissent. These things are all connected; there is no theoretical plane on which people went out & peacefully got signatures for a boycott of all things Dixie Chick. It all contributed to the tone.

Even if people did that, and it was merely a boycott because the Chicks said something they didn't like, I'd still hate it. I'm not here saying it should be illegal, which some seem to be interpreting - I'm just saying that it is anti-American in spirit. If you don't think so, read what some of the framers of the Constitution said about free speech & the marketplace of ideas, and get back to me.
 
Superfreak said:
I did not say the actual comments themselves were comparable Darla. I said the actions taken by those that did not like what the parties had to say was comparable.
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Well, I disagree with you SF, still, and will, no matter how many "last words" saying the exact same thing you feel you need to get in. However, I noticed that Dano has checked in on this thread, and though I have him on IA, I bet he will support you on this, so that should make you feel better. I can't give you mine, sorry. :)
 
In California right now those opposed to Prop 8 have set up boycotts of individuals/businesses that supported Prop 8. Prop 8 supporters have been called at home and depending on your perspective either harrassed or told the errors of their ways for supporting the proposition. The LA Times wrote about one woman who donated $100 to support Prop 8 and now her family run restaurant does half its previous business and may be forced to close.
 
I think most boycotts are incredibly lazy. A guy like O'Reilly is always calling for them; boycott France! That should tell you something...
 
Not to be a spoil-sport here, but is there any evidence that NBC canceled Coulter's appearance because of her views? I know Drudge says so and Coulter says so and Media Matters may say so but NBC seems to be saying otherwise.
 
cawacko said:
In California right now those opposed to Prop 8 have set up boycotts of individuals/businesses that supported Prop 8. Prop 8 supporters have been called at home and depending on your perspective either harrassed or told the errors of their ways for supporting the proposition. The LA Times wrote about one woman who donated $100 to support Prop 8 and now her family run restaurant does half its previous business and may be forced to close.
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Better get to LA and buy some of her stuff then.
 
cawacko said:
In California right now those opposed to Prop 8 have set up boycotts of individuals/businesses that supported Prop 8. Prop 8 supporters have been called at home and depending on your perspective either harrassed or told the errors of their ways for supporting the proposition. The LA Times wrote about one woman who donated $100 to support Prop 8 and now her family run restaurant does half its previous business and may be forced to close.
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Well, those are people who are actually trying to make other people's marriages null and void Cawacko, and who donated money to take rights away from people. I'm sorry I can't get all outraged.
 
Darla said:
He didn't so much miss it as voted for it, twice. He has a very vested interest in denial.
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The sign that you lost the argument... when you try to resort to using the 'well he voted for Bush' to somehow justify your position.

You are wrong. Plain and simple. you take the actions of the extremists and apply them to the whole group.

Would you do that with Code Pink?
 
Darla said:
In fact, I am very open about my political opinions. There is no one who does not know them, from my bumper stickers alone.

However, your comparison is very silly solitary. If you can't see why, I really don't think it's worth my taking the time to explain it; you'd never see why.
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No, the comparison is perfectly legitimate. The scale is simply smaller.

If you depend on a customer spending money to make your living, you are at the mercy of that customer's beliefs.

You would not be surprised to see muslims boycott a store that was openly christian.

You would not be surprised to see people not watch Charlton Heston movies because they disagreed with the NRA.
 
Onceler said:
Well, the threats were a part of the Chicks boycott, as were the use of patriotism to suppress dissent. These things are all connected; there is no theoretical plane on which people went out & peacefully got signatures for a boycott of all things Dixie Chick. It all contributed to the tone.

Even if people did that, and it was merely a boycott because the Chicks said something they didn't like, I'd still hate it. I'm not here saying it should be illegal, which some seem to be interpreting - I'm just saying that it is anti-American in spirit. If you don't think so, read what some of the framers of the Constitution said about free speech & the marketplace of ideas, and get back to me.
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I'll ask you the same thing I asked Darla....

If a group of protesters that were Anti Iraq were marching and a very small portion of the group started trashing property... would that negate the validity of everything else the protestors did ?
 
Dungheap said:
Not to be a spoil-sport here, but is there any evidence that NBC canceled Coulter's appearance because of her views? I know Drudge says so and Coulter says so and Media Matters may say so but NBC seems to be saying otherwise.
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LOL. Nah there is no evidence. I picked that title because Coulter was complaining that this was the reason, and I was trying to annoy people. I excel at that as you can see.

I actually kind of think they did do it because of media matters, but they are not going to admit to it, and I could be totally wrong. No one but them really knows, unless another internal memo is leaked.
 
Onceler said:
Even if people did that, and it was merely a boycott because the Chicks said something they didn't like, I'd still hate it. I'm not here saying it should be illegal, which some seem to be interpreting - I'm just saying that it is anti-American in spirit. If you don't think so, read what some of the framers of the Constitution said about free speech & the marketplace of ideas, and get back to me.
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Onceler, for example if you listen to Howard Stern and find him sexist or offensive and thus 'boycott' him by not listening to him is that anti-American in spirit? I don't think it is but it seems to be what you are saying above.
 
Superfreak said:
The sign that you lost the argument... when you try to resort to using the 'well he voted for Bush' to somehow justify your position.

You are wrong. Plain and simple. you take the actions of the extremists and apply them to the whole group.

Would you do that with Code Pink?
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If that's a sign that you're losing an argument, then what is "oh yeah? What about media matters and Coulter? Gotcha..."
 
cawacko said:
Onceler, for example if you listen to Howard Stern and find him sexist or offensive and thus 'boycott' him by not listening to him is that anti-American in spirit? I don't think it is but it seems to be what you are saying above.
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Well, clearly, there are many on this thread who have a very difficult time differentiating between personal choice, and an organized boycott.

No, that's not really what I'm referring to.
 
Solitary said:
The effect of the Bushites and their "you are not a good american" game was most certainly chilling. And scary as hell because people bought into it.

But that is not the same as the boycott. The boycott is simply choosing where to spend your money. Just like I wouldn't buy tuna without the "Dolphin Safe" label, I would not want my money to go to people who are harmful.

And also, the famous movie star or musician that stands up and spouts their political views may be changing some people's mind. Which means, they are using their fame in another area to effect the outcome of a political race. And that outcome could be harmful to me.

I should continue to put my money in their bank account?
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See, this is where I come from as well. While I am not shy about voicing my opinion my voice is very quiet when compared to some of these "movie" stars. How many minds are they influencing just because they happen to be good looking and have broken into the acting circuit (or singing circuit or whatever). And since we are on the subject, how many famous people (actors, singers, comedians, etc.) are conservative in any way, shape form or fashion? It is just another avenue by which our young are influenced in a direction that many of us feel is harmful.
 
Superfreak said:
I'll ask you the same thing I asked Darla....

If a group of protesters that were Anti Iraq were marching and a very small portion of the group started trashing property... would that negate the validity of everything else the protestors did ?
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Well, it always has!

What planet do you even live on dude?

Hey, speaking of which I am going to DC for the big March 21st anti-occupation A.N.S.W.E.R march. So anyone who says that the left just hated bush but would support these war policies under a democrat, can eat shit now! I'm also going to be going to a big party of anti war activists at Poets and Busboys, if you are in the area I'd love it if you dropped by. :p
 
Darla said:
Well, those are people who are actually trying to make other people's marriages null and void Cawacko, and who donated money to take rights away from people. I'm sorry I can't get all outraged.
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right... because you SUPPORT this particular boycott. You do not like how those individuals and businesses exercised their free speech and thus do not have a problem with people boycotting them.
 
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