Cluster Bombs On Civilians

Sorry for the random Chap quote. But it's always disturbed me a little, but it's indicative of the conservative mindset. When he says "a whole village of Al-Quaida" I sincerely doubt he means an Al-Quaida training camp. He means he'd rather see innocent villagers in random areas burned up because of where they were born. That's conservatism.

I don't give a fuck whether your an American or an Arab - if you're human your life means no more to me than anyone elses.
 
Yeah, gotta defend yourself from innocent civilians that will blow themselves up in 5 years from now because Israel dropped them there but didn't pick them up.
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Oh fuckin well... it's better than them walking into an Israeli market and martyring themselves while taking out a bunch of innocent Jews.

Here is the deal... Palestine has been offered a reasonable settlement, it has been on the table for years, the Israeli's continue to try and work with them to have peace, but they continue to reject the proposals and attack Israel. Instead of trying to settle the differences and live in peace, the Palestinians continue to foment hate, vow to drive the Jews into the Mediterranean Sea, and blow themselves up in the name of their god-forsaken religion. It's obvious they do not desire peace, and will not settle for peace with Jews. But the Jews keep trying, they evict people from the West Bank, they declare cease fire, they give up more and more of their land, and take the Palestinians at their word, that this time they will honor the cease fire agreement and work toward peace, but they never do.

You bunch of Jew-hating alQaeda-loving liberal pinheads, think we should stop being allies with Israel, and not even your own Messiah thinks that is a cool idea! I sometimes wonder if what you all need is a good damn dose of radical Islam shoved down your throats at the threat of a beheading, to make you understand. But I doubt even that would suffice, you'd die cursing Republicans for "allowing" it to happen!
 
LadyT said:
minus 100 points for not answering or even addressing her point.
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Hmmm the fact that SM can't use the word 'liberal' other than as a pejorative seems to elude him. His throwing the insult card is definately a case of the pot calling the kettle black. He has a prototypical debate style of political reactionaries. Strawman arguments followed up with ad hominin attacks. Poor debating style for sure.

Having said that, Darla's no debate heavy weight either. Like SM she's an extremist too, though she's a radical as opposed to SM being a political reactionary.
 
Dixie said:
Oh fuckin well... it's better than them walking into an Israeli market and martyring themselves while taking out a bunch of innocent Jews.

Here is the deal... Palestine has been offered a reasonable settlement, it has been on the table for years, the Israeli's continue to try and work with them to have peace, but they continue to reject the proposals and attack Israel. Instead of trying to settle the differences and live in peace, the Palestinians continue to foment hate, vow to drive the Jews into the Mediterranean Sea, and blow themselves up in the name of their god-forsaken religion. It's obvious they do not desire peace, and will not settle for peace with Jews. But the Jews keep trying, they evict people from the West Bank, they declare cease fire, they give up more and more of their land, and take the Palestinians at their word, that this time they will honor the cease fire agreement and work toward peace, but they never do.

You bunch of Jew-hating alQaeda-loving liberal pinheads, think we should stop being allies with Israel, and not even your own Messiah thinks that is a cool idea! I sometimes wonder if what you all need is a good damn dose of radical Islam shoved down your throats at the threat of a beheading, to make you understand. But I doubt even that would suffice, you'd die cursing Republicans for "allowing" it to happen!
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That's another Strawman Dixie. There are moderates on both sides who have put decent proposals on the table and there are fanatics on both sides who undermine them. Personally I say "A pox on both houses".

To say that it is in the US best interest to moderate our unilateral support for Israel is probably correct. The Israeli lobby has a grossly disproportional influence on our government and no foreign lobby should have that kind of influence. That does not mean that by doing so we are abandoning Israel as an ally or that we are anti-Jewish.

There are instances where the US goverment has supported Israeli interest at the expense of what is best for US interest. That is just plain bad foreign policy.
 
Mottleydude said:
Hmmm the fact that SM can't use the word 'liberal' other than as a pejorative seems to elude him. His throwing the insult card is definately a case of the pot calling the kettle black. He has a prototypical debate style of political reactionaries. Strawman arguments followed up with ad hominin attacks. Poor debating style for sure.

Having said that, Darla's no debate heavy weight either. Like SM she's an extremist too, though she's a radical as opposed to SM being a political reactionary.
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It's "extremist" to comment that Israel is apparently, once again, using cluster bombs and white phosphorus? I provided links, something none of the cons have done, so how does that make me a "debate lightweight"?

Would it help if I oohed and ahhed over your dick, Mottley?
 
Darla said:
You mean other than the fact that an ISRAELI newspaper reported that they are? Which you would have seen if you had bothered going to my link.

Both Israel and the United States refuse to sign an international agreement, signed by all civilized nations, and some right wingers would call "uncivilized" as well, outlawing the use of cluster bombs. And in 2006 Israel used cluster bombs in Lebanon.

But no, that's something I just "made up".

What stupidity.
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Where? I've been looking for the link. I saw a story about how they did, but not that they are. The past is not the present no matter how many times I read the story.
 
Mottleydude said:
.... Personally I say "A pox on both houses".

To say that it is in the US best interest to moderate our unilateral support for Israel is probably correct. The Israeli lobby has a grossly disproportional influence on our government and no foreign lobby should have that kind of influence. That does not mean that by doing so we are abandoning Israel as an ally or that we are anti-Jewish.

There are instances where the US goverment has supported Israeli interest at the expense of what is best for US interest. That is just plain bad foreign policy.
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True dat.
 
I understand that both sides have different opinions as to whether the conflict is the fault of Israel or Palestine. But that seems to me to be a moot point.

The use of cluster bombs is barbaric.
 
Southern Man said:
Still don't see any proof that Israels has used them; just liberals being judgmental.
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Considering that Israel won't allow any journalists into Gaza, it would be a bit hard to have such proof, don't you think?

There is proof that they have used them before. There is proof that they have them in their arsenal. And there is proof that they refused to go along with the accords banning the use of such weapons.

Its not as if this accusation were coming out of left field.
 
Damocles said:
Where? I've been looking for the link. I saw a story about how they did, but not that they are. The past is not the present no matter how many times I read the story.
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One more time, and then you can take your fake "i must have missed it" bs and stick it in your ass, sideways.

The forces that entered the Gaza Strip last night represented the largest ground operation in the coastal territory since Israel withdrew in the summer of 2005. Palestinian sources reported massive artillery shelling and air force strikes accompanying the advance of the infantry, armored and combat engineering corps.

The ground invasion was preceded by large-scale artillery shelling from around 4 P.M., intended to "soften" the targets as artillery batteries deployed along the Strip in recent days began bombarding Hamas targets and open areas near the border. Hundreds of shells were fired, including cluster bombs aimed at open areas

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1052331.html
 
Solitary said:
Considering that Israel won't allow any journalists into Gaza, it would be a bit hard to have such proof, don't you think?

There is proof that they have used them before. There is proof that they have them in their arsenal. And there is proof that they refused to go along with the accords banning the use of such weapons.

Its not as if this accusation were coming out of left field.
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This is exactly what the right did in 2006. Claimed that there was no "proof" that Israel was using cluster bombs and white phosphorus in Lebanon and that it was just liberals making it up.

Now we all know that in fact Israel did use those weapons in 2006.

And they continue to use the same tactics. "Prove it". Of course it will never be proven to any positive degree until after the war is over, when the right will snicker over it, and in 2010 when Israel invades yet another country and reports come out that they are using cluster bombs, the pieces of human shit like southern murderer will say "prove it'.

But they'll know. They find it funny. YOu don't actually believe they're against using cluster bombs and white phosphorus on Aye-rabs, do you?
 
Solitary said:
Considering that Israel won't allow any journalists into Gaza, it would be a bit hard to have such proof, don't you think?

There is proof that they have used them before. There is proof that they have them in their arsenal. And there is proof that they refused to go along with the accords banning the use of such weapons.

Its not as if this accusation were coming out of left field.
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So basically there isn't any proof. In this day and age of digital cameras, satellite phones, and youtube. :rolleyes:
 
Darla said:
One more time, and then you can take your fake "i must have missed it" bs and stick it in your ass, sideways.

The forces that entered the Gaza Strip last night represented the largest ground operation in the coastal territory since Israel withdrew in the summer of 2005. Palestinian sources reported massive artillery shelling and air force strikes accompanying the advance of the infantry, armored and combat engineering corps.

The ground invasion was preceded by large-scale artillery shelling from around 4 P.M., intended to "soften" the targets as artillery batteries deployed along the Strip in recent days began bombarding Hamas targets and open areas near the border. Hundreds of shells were fired, including cluster bombs aimed at open areas

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1052331.html
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Do you have any major sources? Or are they being kept out?

It's not like I don't believe they are capable of it, I just don't find any credible sources reporting it.

You are getting defensive over nothing more than my stating that there is no real evidence of it right now. I mean "Haaretz.com"? Who are they?

Although this is the first story that I read saying that they are currently using cluster bombs.
 
Southern Man said:
So basically there isn't any proof. In this day and age of digital cameras, satellite phones, and youtube. :rolleyes:
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Ok, point blank question for you: Do you think there should be sanctions for using cluster bombs in areas with significant civilian populations? Do you think Israel is justified in using cluster bombs (IF they did so)?
 
Southern Man said:
So basically there isn't any proof. In this day and age of digital cameras, satellite phones, and youtube. :rolleyes:
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I have to IA this guy. It's too upsetting to me to read these right wingers in the middle of a war. It always has been. I truly feel hate. And I don't want to feel that.

I honestly feel the world would be a better place without you. I could only wish that Karma worked in such a way that you got a rocket filled with white phosphorus right in your ass. But it doesn't work that way, and pieces of shit like you who live in some southern bum fuck town, will likely never pay the price of the murders you support and cheer.

And that's too bad.
 
Southern Man said:
So basically there isn't any proof. In this day and age of digital cameras, satellite phones, and youtube. :rolleyes:
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Well, there are Palestinian sources who say so, so it must be true.

Seriously though... Israel has used them before and has no qualms about using them, it is likely they are again. Gaza is an incredibly highly populated place, use of such would be grossly wrong.
 
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