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The Almighty
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#Political_positions
"She supports sex education in public schools that encourages abstinence but also discusses birth control.[184][185}"
Palin Lied!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#Political_positions
"She supports sex education in public schools that encourages abstinence but also discusses birth control.[184][185}"
So you want to skip over the part where you and SF were wrong, and attempt to divert the thread to some other factoid you think you can make some pointless point on?
Oooh. The Pwnage... I was just proven wrong. I thought she believed in abstinence only programs and Superfreak owned me. I wonder if there is room in his stable for four of us?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasilla_High_School
"According to Principal Dwight Probasco, Wasilla High School’s curriculum teaches abstinence education, although it is not abstinence-only. The school is prohibited from distributing contraception"
Side note Darla, as I pointed out before, your article and quote state that she is against 'EXPLICIT sex education" Which she is. That does not mean she supports abstinence only. She supports abstinence programs that ALSO discuss birth control.
She wants PREFERENCE given to abstinence, but not that it be the ONLY education these kids receive.
Yay! You two found a life preserver.
Too bad Darla's link has an actual quote from Palin.
I swear - you & SF are the Keystone Cops of JPP. You rarely cease to entertain...
Oh, so you want us to disregard Palin's own words, documented on paper, and say a wiki page is proof?
So was Palin lying when she told the Alaskan news organization who asked her this question, when she was running for office?
Why do you think she would lie about that?
Or do you think wiki might be wrong?
Or do you think that Palin changed her position dependent on whom she was talking to? If so, why do you think she would do that, and how can we know that she doesn't support abstinence only education?
Socrtease
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what she may have learned else where is not the point. The point is her MOTHER, the woman most responsible for making sure her children is leaning (Bushism sorry), said she supports Abstinence ONLY education so from that I think it would be safe to assume that she taught her child Abstinence ONLY. It failed. Not only does it fail in schools it fails at home. The whole policy is stupid and only people with a completely Polyanna-esque view of the world could EVER think it would work. It is the policy of people with no grasp of the reality of sex and it's drive in teens.
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The only one "wrong" here is you. You continue to pretend that saying 'Explicit sex education will not get my support' somehow means 'I want abstinence only education'
Putting an emphasis on abstinence is not the same as abstinence only.
Oh, so you have no quote for Palin, and you are pretending that when Palin answered this question:
Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?
and answered "YES", that meant something else?
It must be hard for you to be wrong.
I notice you keep wanting to cut out the question she was asked, and her "yes" answer.
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Except that she did not say that. She stated her position was to teach abstinence but also discuss protective measures.
"It must be hard for you to be wrong. "
He thinks he never is.
As soon as you posted that quote (that's quote, as in words she actually said), I could already here is brain whirring & spinning, and I could hear the frantic googling.
Damo, at least, has the reliable ol' "I was just being sarcastic" defense going for him...
He thinks he never is.
As soon as you posted that quote (that's quote, as in words she actually said), I could already here is brain whirring & spinning, and I could hear the frantic googling.
Damo, at least, has the reliable ol' "I was just being sarcastic" defense going for him...
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The Almighty
"From NBC's Katie Primm and Mark Murray
By the way, as has been pointed out, Palin backed abstinence-only education during her 2006 gubernatorial race. In an Eagle Forum Alaska questionnaire, Palin gave this response to the following question:
Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?
Palin: Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support."
She stated, yes, the explicit sex ed programs will not find her support. She did not state that 'yes, she believes in abstinence only'
When you look at her policy positions... which I pointed out to you and you ignored... she states that she supports giving preference to abstinence but also supports teaching the kids about protection and stds.
She does not believe contraceptives should be distributed in schools nor does she believe that the explicit sex education programs were appropriate.
You continue to try to spin this into meaning that abstinence is the only thing she wants taught. Which is not the case.
Honestly I don't really care, other than the option to use sarcasm it doesn't matter to me. Whatever you want to say I was terribly wrong either way I was wrong.
Now:
There is no evidence that because her mother believed something it means that she does too or that she was entirely and completely uneducated about condoms or other forms of birth control. What evidence do we have that she took a "pledge", as I asked for long ago, long before my "Pwnage" either as a supporter of the side that says she supports abstinence only education, or as a supporter that she supports sex education that includes birth control?
Again, it does matter. If, in fact, her school did not have an "abstinence only" program then "abstinence only" did not "fail" her at all. That's simply silly suggestion.
Did my mother "fail" me because I am not a Pentacostal Christian? Or that I learned about condoms in school, even though she would have preferred that I never had sex until I married yet I did? Of course not.
We first need to know if she participated in any of the programs you disparage to know whether or not they "failed" her in any way.
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The Almighty
except that she didn't state she was for abstinence ONLY in that quote. She stated she was against the explicit sex education portion. She stated she supports the abstinence until marriage portion. She did not state that she was opposed to education on the use of birth control or discussing STDs in that quote.
If you look at her positions, she states what she supports. I posted that and you two refuse to address it. Why is that? Who is spinning?
Socrtease
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Bull shit in the ONLY post that shows that what she supports she NEVER said what you are saying. She never says she supports abstinence plus which the eagle forum absolutely opposes. Their position is if you teach don't do but if you do... you are sending contradictory messages. You quote a wiki that does NOT give her direct quotes. Darla's does and it does not say she supports any teaching of birth control in case.
I don't know what the difference between "abstinence only" (it's so funny because I keep having trouble spelling abstinence), and "abstinence education but not abstinence only". What does this mean? We have no way of concluding from this that birth control methods were taught, at all.
And it doesn't matter what Bristol's beliefs are, this is about education not religious beliefs. Either she was educated on birth control or she wasn't.
On the side of "she was" - we have conjecture.
On the side of "she wasn't" - we have the fact that she's a teen mother who didn't finish high school, and her baby's father has no hs degree either.