Science

Into the Night said:
The Theory of Natural Selection has been falsified by sequence nullification and by finding examples of animals with traits that do not help them.
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Nothing about natural selection dictates that only advantageous traits survive.

Our appendix does nothing. But, we also had opposable thumbs and advanced cognitive abilities - so we survived & advanced.
 
BartenderElite said:
Nothing about natural selection dictates that only advantageous traits survive.
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You had better read Darwin again. That is exactly his argument.
BartenderElite said:
Our appendix does nothing.
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Yes it does.
BartenderElite said:
But, we also had opposable thumbs and advanced cognitive abilities - so we survived & advanced.
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Then why do stupid animals with no opposable thumbs survive? Define 'advance'. Reversal fallacy.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
One the whole it is, but science is also wrong a lot. Science has also been used in the name of evil as well. Then there's science as fraud--often deliberate fraud and often for political purposes.

So, when science says something, pull out this because you're going to need it.

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Just because a "scientist" says it doesn't necessarily make it true. Question and triple check their answers.
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What makes science unique from other philosophies is that science is specifically designed to be self correcting. Is science often wrong? Absolutely and more than lay people think. The truth is that in practicing science you will almost always be wrong more often than you’re right. The whole purpose of science is to determine what to the best of our knowledge are the facts about nature. The scientific methods purpose is to identify these facts but science is self correcting because one of its primary tenets is that all knowledge is tentative and all scientific knowledge is predicated on the basis that you
may be wrong. Even if the probability of being wrong is incredibly small, you still might be wrong. There are no absolutes in science. Just differing degrees of the probability of being correct. This concept makes science self correcting. When a new fact with a higher probability of being correct is discovered than what was previously believed then that belief must either be abandoned if that fact falsifies it or that belief must be modified to account for this new fact.

So that’s the humbling part of science. Being right is incredibly hard to do,

As to your point on science being abused by those outside of science with other agendas cannot be placed at the foot of science. Rather it is the individual’s responsibility to be literate in science so that they can question questionable science. In most cases where science is abused by those with agendas other than science it is almost always scientist who point that out.

This is also why scientist are the single most respected group of professionals.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
What makes science unique from other philosophies is that science is specifically designed to be self correcting. Is science often wrong? Absolutely and more than lay people think. The truth is that in practicing science you will almost always be wrong more often than you’re right. The whole purpose of science is to determine what to the best of our knowledge are the facts about nature. The scientific methods purpose is to identify these facts but science is self correcting but cause one of its primary tenets is that all knowledge is tentative and all scientific knowledge is predicated on the basis that you may be wrong. Even if the probability of being wrong is incredibly small, you still might be wrong. There are no absolutes in science. Just differing degrees of the probability of being correct. This concept makes science self correcting. When a new fact with a higher probability of being correct is discovered than what was previously believed then that belief must either be abandoned if that fact falsifies it or that belief must be modified to account for this new fact.

So that’s the humbling part of science.

As to your point on science being abused by those outside of science with other agendas cannot be placed at the foot of science. Rather it is the individual’s responsibility to be literate in science so that they can question questionable science. In most cases where science is abused by those with agendas other than science it is almost always scientist who point that out.

This is also why scientist are the single most respected group of professionals.
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Science has largely failed because the people in science have all to often cared more about what was best for their careers than they did what was best for science.

Also, increasingly scientists are held in low regard, for cause.

You are many decades out of date.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Science has largely failed because the people in science have all to often cared more about what was best for their careers than they did what was best for science.

Also, increasingly scientists are held in low regard, for cause.

You are many decades out of date.
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Plus many are gubment-funded, so they talk the desired narrative.
 
Stretch said:
Plus many are gubment-funded, so they talk the desired narrative.
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Well you know Bret and Heather have been talking about this some....about how it is not just the Universities that are a cluster fuck through and through but so is the entire funding of science bureaucracy...and Science has many other humongous problems as well....that almost no one will talk about.....which just festers.

Big pain is coming, make no mistake about that.
 
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