Question for the mask experts

[Into the Night]

I am both an employer and the representative of several employers,

I don't believe you.

so legally speaking I do get to speak for several employers.

No, you don't.

There is a lot of legal pressure on us to use masks.

So?

You may claim they do not work, but the rest of us believe they do.

The do not work. Read the N95 specifications.

More importantly, government departments are saying they do.

So?

I cannot hire Eric right now, nor do I Know anyone who can. He is toxic.

Bigotry.

Clients dictate to contractors who dictate to subcontractors.

Strawman fallacy.

There are standards dictated to everyone by governments.

Dictators are not legal in the United States. The United States is organized as a federated republic, not a dictatorship.

I do not think of this as fascism, but maybe that is because I am an adult.

It is fascism, regardless of your age or perceived age.

For instance, to get into a server farm, I need to wear a mask, get my temperature taken, and have only clear backpacks.

Your choice. You are willing to work for such a paranoid employer.

I agree, the clear backpack looks stupid, and I do not like it much. But I would rather be paid $500 an hour with a stupid backpack, then be unemployed in the middle of an economic depression.

You don't make $500 an hour.

Eric is claiming he does not have a job. Where is he working?

Irrelevant.

People who cannot find jobs, or people who have to take low paying jobs seems like a real problem.

Irrelevant. Manufactured 'problem'.

Eric is turning down a mid-six figure income,

Irrelevant.

because he does not wear a mask, or have a clear backpack.

Base rate fallacy.

When I donated my time giving financial advise at a charity,

You don't enough about finances to give advice to anybody.

I met women (and even men) who prostituted themselves for money.

So?

Eric will not even wear a clear backpack for money.

So?

Worse yet, he insults us for doing what we have to in order to keep America functioning.

You don't keep America functioning.

I am sorry, but the more I talk to Night, the more I realize I want nothing to do with Eric.

You are making up the whole bit about Eric.

I will defend the masks,

Masks do not stop a virus.

but I am not going to defend the clear backpack.

Irrelevant.

It is stupid.

Irrelevant.

The security guards have no idea whether I downloaded a bunch of data onto my laptop or not.

Irrelevant.

The clear backpack does nothing for them. It does mean they do not have to touch the backpack, but touching the backpack did nothing.

Irrelevant.

BUT, I will defend following the rules of a client/employer, even if they are stupid.

Then you have no mind. You have put yourself in your own prison.

It is their building, and they are following the government guidelines.

They don't have to.

 

[TexanManWithPlans]

If one wears a mask won’t they rebreathe their own CO2?

And isn’t CO2 a greenhouse gas that causes warming?

Therefore won’t people who wear masks overheat their innards?

I have a question for you climate science deniers: If you put a plastic bag over your head, will you still be able to breathe? Because that's what CO2 emmissions are doing to the planet.

 

[TexanManWithPlans]

Hand sanitizer is meant for when soap/water is not available. I'm not giving COVID to everyone else in the office; I do not have COVID. I cannot spread a disease that I do not have.

Have you forgotten that we've gotten by just fine without wearing a mask everywhere, without excessively washing/sanitizing our hands and our surroundings, etc. because our immune systems did what immune systems do? What is so special about COVID that our immune systems can't take care of business like they have done in the past and still do today?

You could have COVID-19 and not know it. Most of us will get it, but most of us won't develop symptoms. But you could easily pass it to someone who could develop symptoms.

 

[Into the Night]

Everyone who spreads the disease (whether it is AIDS or Covid-19) says they do not have it.

False equivalence fallacy. Bigotry. You don't get to speak for everyone. You only get to speak for you.

If everyone doing a random sexual encounter wears a condom, we can stop most sexual transmission of HIV.

Irrelevance fallacy. Strawman fallacy. Also false.

If everyone doing a random spacial encounter wears a mask, we can stop most transmission of Covid-19.

Masks do not stop a virus.
Covid-19 is an airborne respiratory virus.

Stopping most is good enough.

Masks do not stop a virus.

If we get the transmission rate below 1, sooner or later both dies out.

Masks do not stop a virus.
6 feet does not stop a virus.
Plastic barriers do not stop a virus.
Argument from randU fallacy. Denial of engineering. Denial of science.

 

[TexanManWithPlans]

Condoms do not stop AIDS. Masks do not stop COVID. I do not have AIDS or COVID. I am not spreading AIDS or COVID.

How do you know you don't have COVID-19? I tested positive for it a while ago but never had symptoms. It eventually left my system.

 

[Teflon Don]

Everyone who spreads AIDS says, "I don't have AIDS". Given that they spread AIDS, we know they are wrong. Maybe you are right, or maybe you are wrong. I will not have sex with you for so many reasons, but if I hypothetically did, I would not believe you, and wear a condom.

Many of the super-spreaders of Covid-19 are claiming they do not have Covid-19. They need to wear masks to reduce their super spreading.

How do you know they are super spreaders?

 

[Teflon Don]

How do you know you don't have COVID-19? I tested positive for it a while ago but never had symptoms. It eventually left my system.

How do you know you don’t still have it?

How many people did you infect?

And how could you have no symptoms? It kills everyone. Deadliest virus in the history of viruses

 

[TexanManWithPlans]

How do you know you don’t still have it?

How many people did you infect?

And how could you have no symptoms? It kills everyone. Deadliest virus in the history of viruses

Stop being passive aggressive. I hope I didn't infect anyone, but when I tested positive a few months ago, I stayed away from people until I was cleared by my doctor.

 

[Teflon Don]

I have a question for you climate science deniers: If you put a plastic bag over your head, will you still be able to breathe? Because that's what CO2 emmissions are doing to the planet.

No they aren't

I don't deny science that is why I laugh at the climate change hoax

 

[Teflon Don]

Stop being passive aggressive. I hope I didn't infect anyone, but when I tested positive a few months ago, I stayed away from people until I was cleared by my doctor.

How did your doctor know you were clear? Did you get another test? Are you always wearing a mask? Should we tag you as a former COVID positive patient? Put it in your "permanent record"?

 

[TexanManWithPlans]

No they aren't

I don't deny science that is why I laugh at the climate change hoax

Neither of us is a climate scientist, but unlike you, I'm intelligent enough to defer to those who are. An actual scientist explained CO2 accumulation to me thusly:

Suppose you have a bathtub. Every minute, you add one drop of water. Every minute, you also drain one drop of water. What happens? The water stays at the same level.

Suppose you increase the amount of water you add every minute. Instead of adding one drop per minute, you 1.1 drops per minute.

What happens now?

Eventually, that bathtub will be overflowing. It won't happen overnight, but it will happen.

This is what we're doing to the planet with our CO2 emissions. Yes, CO2 exists naturally on planet Earth, and yes, nature has methods of recycling it, but prior to the industrial revolution, there was equilibrium. We're adding that extra 0.1 to each drop of water in the bathtub, so to speak, and it's heating the planet.

 

[Darth Omar]

Neither of us is a climate scientist, but unlike you, I'm intelligent enough to defer to those who are. An actual scientist explained CO2 accumulation to me thusly:

Suppose you have a bathtub. Every minute, you add one drop of water. Every minute, you also drain one drop of water. What happens? The water stays at the same level.

Suppose you increase the amount of water you add every minute. Instead of adding one drop per minute, you 1.1 drops per minute.

What happens now?

Eventually, that bathtub will be overflowing. It won't happen overnight, but it will happen.

This is what we're doing to the planet with our CO2 emissions. Yes, CO2 exists naturally on planet Earth, and yes, nature has methods of recycling it, but prior to the industrial revolution, there was equilibrium. We're adding that extra 0.1 to each drop of water in the bathtub, so to speak, and it's heating the planet.

That’s a variation of the slowly boiling frog thing lol.

There are just too many variables to do anything more than make guesses at future states of the climate.

And we learned a thing or two about computer models in 2020, haven’t we.

 

[Teflon Don]

Neither of us is a climate scientist, but unlike you, I'm intelligent enough to defer to those who are. An actual scientist explained CO2 accumulation to me thusly:

Suppose you have a bathtub. Every minute, you add one drop of water. Every minute, you also drain one drop of water. What happens? The water stays at the same level.

Suppose you increase the amount of water you add every minute. Instead of adding one drop per minute, you 1.1 drops per minute.

What happens now?

Eventually, that bathtub will be overflowing. It won't happen overnight, but it will happen.

This is what we're doing to the planet with our CO2 emissions. Yes, CO2 exists naturally on planet Earth, and yes, nature has methods of recycling it, but prior to the industrial revolution, there was equilibrium. We're adding that extra 0.1 to each drop of water in the bathtub, so to speak, and it's heating the planet.

I don’t do appeals to authority

Experts are wrong all of the time

You aren’t a chef but you cook

 

[TexanManWithPlans]

That’s a variation of the slowly boiling frog thing lol.

There are just too many variables to do anything more than make guesses at future states of the climate.

And we learned a thing or two about computer models in 2020, haven’t we.

We're the big variable here. You don't think that our species' CO2 emissions have any effect?

 

[TexanManWithPlans]

I don’t do appeals to authority

Experts are wrong all of the time

You aren’t a chef but you cook

Appeal to authority? It's not a fallacy in this instance. If you're sick with bloody diarrhea, are you going to self-diagnose, or will you go to the doctor?

 

[Teflon Don]

We're the big variable here. You don't think that our species' CO2 emissions have any effect?

No

 

[Darth Omar]

We're the big variable here. You don't think that our species' CO2 emissions have any effect?

Plants seem to like it lol?

 

[Teflon Don]

Appeal to authority? It's not a fallacy in this instance. If you're sick with bloody diarrhea, are you going to self-diagnose, or will you go to the doctor?

Appeal to authority. Logical fallacy

If the experts were right we all should have been dead by now.

The experts predicted that by 2020 it would be over. Done. Finished.

Look nobody is telling you not to give up what you believe is necessary to save the Erf.

I choose not to.

 

[Walt]

It must really suck for the other two countries in North America to be stuck with us.

The EU is opening up, and allowing people from Canada to travel to the EU, as long as they have not been to the USA recently. Mexico is closing its border with the USA trying to stem the constant flow of Covid-19 from the USA. The USA is the biggest source of Covid-19 currently.

AND NOTHING IS BEING DONE ABOUT IT!!!

 

[Walt]

Condoms do not stop AIDS.

Condoms actually do stop HIV transmission.

Let me guess, you don't believe smoking causes cancer?

I am not spreading AIDS or COVID.

There really is no way for any of us to know... Even you. Given that you have a distorted view of how to stop the transmission, I would not trust any of your claims.