And like that, America's history is scrubbed

[artichoke]

I'm not offended, at all. At least not like the snowflakes who can't bear to watch the NFL anymore because a few guys kneel for a minute or so at the start of games.

Hilarious hypocrisy.

Your psychotically insecure and bigoted need to purge all art and memorials that commit the heresy of non-conformity, like some book-burning Neanderthal tearing down anything that contains any shred of moral imperfection (as defined by your narrow-minded Taliban-style modern definition), DOESN'T qualify as being a snowflake...but someone not wanting to reward and legitimize the NFL for silencing and punishing conservatives and Christians while propping up fake black victimhood, racist preferential treatment, and terrorist organizations...THAT'S just being oversensitive.

What a ridiculous fucking moron.

 

[artichoke]

You are arguing the statue is history, but now you're arguing it's not.

Wrong again, you're just failing to comprehend plain English.

Try to follow along. I can break out the crayons if necessary. Arguing that a statue commemorating a historical figure represents history (something so obvious that it shouldn't even need explained) in no way argues that it TEACHES history.

Comprehend the difference between those two assertions yet?

 

[artichoke]

I asked earlier in the thread, but do you think Germans were wrong to get rid of Nazi symbols on buildings?

Bogus comparison. The Nazis represented a tiny fraction of the population that constituted the lunatic fringe and had no legitimacy to their side of the story. Maniacal genocide as revenge for all the humiliations done to them at the end of WW1 at the hands of an extremist group...vs. half the United States seceding in defense of the Constitution.

This is what they call an "apples and oranges" comparison.

Try again.

 

[artichoke]

You're not arguing that the statues teach history?

Of course not, moron. How many times and ways do you need it spelled out?

 

[artichoke]

These are stories Black families have been passing down for generations.

It's why the south is so racist. Even though they lost the war they wanted to continue with slavery so they enacted laws, legislation, the klan, ideology, slave patrols

That's part of it, they also did it as revenge for being illegally invaded, burnt down and enslaved by lunatic extremists to free one tiny portion of the population slightly more quickly, but yeah.

all which are still part of their agenda today.

Aaand this is where you go completely off the rails discrediting yourself with nut-job propaganda. Most people weren't even thinking or talking about race until the ACORN president needlessly resurrected all of that bullshit.



And let's be clear, it is DEMOCRATS who despise and look down on blacks as inferior based solely on the color of their skin...

-Democrats dumb down their conversation when talking to blacks.

-Blacks are appalled to find out how racist Democrats still are against them.

-Democrats still had a former Klansman third in line to be president as recently as 2010

-Democrats still had a Senate Minority Leader with a "negro" problem in office as recently as 2017.

-In Election 2008, Democrats called blacks “lazy,” “violent” or responsible for their own troubles, and many refused to vote for a black president.

-Democrats stripped blacks of parental choice and forced their children back into disastrous government-run schools…after Republicans had liberated them.

-Democrats published vicious cartoons of Condi Rice as an ignorant mammy sputtering sentence fragments and as a parrot with giant lips…and called Clarence Thomas everything from “lawn jockey” to “Oreo.”

-To this day, Democrats continue to cheapen and taint black accomplishments through lowered standards and racist preferential treatment in schools and in the workplace.

-Until Democrats began pandering to blacks with dependence-creating handouts to exploit them for votes, the black community didn’t even have the rampant crime, divorce, illegitimacy, abortions, etc. that now plague it relentlessly.

And Democrats have ALWAYS been the party of anti-black racism. Hence:

-Democrats fighting against Republicans to protect slavery.

-Democrats inventing the Klan.

-Democrats fighting Republican attempts to integrate the schools.

They never wanted the slaves freed so they made sure Blacks stayed oppressed and imprisoned today.

Blacks are less oppressed today than at any point in history, and actually OPPRESS OTHERS by stealing the jobs, educational opportunities, housing loans, etc., that other people earned and are more qualified for. They get racist preferential treatment at everyone else's expense and STILL can't stop lying about being victims. Total scumbag move.

 

[artichoke]

I am amazed actually how many rightwing historical scholars this thread has attracted. Even some who never showed a sustained interest in historical scholarship prior to this thread.

I would like to save these jackasses some time - you are not going to learn much history staring at a bronze statue.

Again, nobody's arguing otherwise. You're literally refuting an argument no one has made, moron.

And for the record, the childish fallacy you're using THIS TIME is called a "straw man" (objecting to my bigoted, book-burning, purge against anything that doesn't perfectly suit the most narrow-minded modern definition of moral perfection must mean you're arguing that statues actually teach history lessons).

Blatantly stupid horse shit.

I am going to share my streaming video watchlist with these rightwing historical scholars. History is not being erased if a statue is moved. Assuming these rightwing scholars are authentically interested in southern history, my watchlist is probably available at their socialist library.

Your arguments violate the CENTRAL TENANT of all historical scholarship...the CORE, FOUNDATIONAL CONCEPT that history revolves around (history professors struggle with this relentlessly with modern students and despise this non-stop problem)...the principle of viewing history through the lens of the people being studied, and not from your own bigoted modern perspective. Your deliberately one-sided bigotry is LITERALLY ANTITHETICAL to historical scholarship. It is also riddled with Kindergarten fallacies.

Let me save you the suspense. If your performance here is any indication, no one is going to watch your little digitized celebration of wilful blindness, narrow-mindedness, and biased ignorance.

 

[artichoke]

You scream about people erasing history, but you are the one who is doing the erasing by putting up garbage with no context.

No, he isn't. That's literally what ONLY YOU are doing...by smearing anyone who lost a physical battle as an irrelevant loser not valid to memorialize...as if that had anything to do with it.

 

[artichoke]

Indeed Dems are the new fascists. even worse then PC thought police now

Democrats = American version of the Taliban.

The Taliban tears down magnificent works of art and historical monuments for not being "Islamic" enough. Imagine if someone questioned this Neanderthal Dark Ages purging of all perceived moral imperfection and they responded with "Pyramids don't teach history, and the Pharaohs lost to Rome, therefore all ancient Egyptian memorials are celebrations of irrelevant losers and should be torn down."

This is the equivalent of what Democrats are arguing on here. It wouldn't surprise me at this point if these American Taliban degenerates DID think the pyramids should be torn down...they used slave labor, after all (gasp!), and that means they were built by morally imperfect human beings, so all of it should be thrown away, right?

Slavery has been omnipresent across all cultures and races for thousands of years of human history until white people came along and abolished it. But for not up-ending a practice that had existed literally since the beginning of time quickly enough for the narrow-minded bigots of the left, everything about America's history is to be thrown in the trash as invalid.

Ridiculous fucking idiots.

 

[RB 60]

Democrats = American version of the Taliban.

The Taliban tears down magnificent works of art and historical monuments for not being "Islamic" enough. Imagine if someone questioned this Neanderthal Dark Ages purging of all perceived moral imperfection and they responded with "Pyramids don't teach history, and the Pharaohs lost to Rome, therefore all ancient Egyptian memorials are celebrations of irrelevant losers and should be torn down."

This is the equivalent of what Democrats are arguing on here. It wouldn't surprise me at this point if these American Taliban degenerates DID think the pyramids should be torn down...they used slave labor, after all (gasp!), and that means they were built by morally imperfect human beings, so all of it should be thrown away, right?

Slavery has been omnipresent across all cultures for thousands of years of human history until white people came along and abolished it. But for not up-ending thousands of years of tradition quickly enough for the narrow-minded bigots of the left, everything about America's history is to be thrown in the trash as invalid.

Ridiculous fucking idiots.

This...

 

[artichoke]

You're the ones who think Nazis are "very fine people".

Repeating this debunked lie won't magically make it less debunked...or distract from the debate you're trying to avoid.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Democrats = American version of the Taliban.

The Taliban tears down magnificent works of art and historical monuments for not being "Islamic" enough. Imagine if someone questioned this Neanderthal Dark Ages purging of all perceived moral imperfection and they responded with "Pyramids don't teach history, and the Pharaohs lost to Rome, therefore all ancient Egyptian memorials are celebrations of irrelevant losers and should be torn down."

This is the equivalent of what Democrats are arguing on here. It wouldn't surprise me at this point if these American Taliban degenerates DID think the pyramids should be torn down...they used slave labor, after all (gasp!), and that means they were built by morally imperfect human beings, so all of it should be thrown away, right?

Slavery has been omnipresent across all cultures and races for thousands of years of human history until white people came along and abolished it. But for not up-ending a practice that had existed literally since the beginning of time quickly enough for the narrow-minded bigots of the left, everything about America's history is to be thrown in the trash as invalid.

Ridiculous fucking idiots.

Ridiculous yes but more importantly brutal, as were so many who have had the taste of UTOPIA in their fevered minds before them.

 

[artichoke]

monuments don't have context you moron,unless they are a battlefield.

#STFU. go to some Civil war sites and get educated, then start appreciating the men on both sides who did the fighting and dying

This is the position of the majority of Americans, and even of the majority of Democrats, according to the left's own beloved pseudo-science of polling. LV426 and those like him represent the lunatic fringe on this.

 

[artichoke]

Nope, it's what Trump said, and what you believe.

Again, this lie was debunked. Stop trying to avoid the debate you're losing by introducing new lies for people to correct.

Trump Didn't Call Neo-Nazis 'Fine People.' Here's Proof.

 

[artichoke]

You just said the monuments don't teach history, so why do we need ones to Confederates?

Why do we need the Pyramids? They were built by slaves and Egypt lost the war with Rome, so they are irrelevant losers with no legitimate basis to memorialize, right?

Burn any good books lately?

 

[artichoke]

I will take that as an admission you have never actually read a book about Robert E Lee, even as you posture as the great defender of preserving historical knowlege of Robert E Lee.

Again with this straw man fallacy of pretending that not wanting to tear down art and memorials over the existence of any moral imperfection by narrow-minded modern definitions (as the Taliban tear things down for being inadequately 'Islamic') must be claiming that the statues themselves contain some kind of historical knowledge.

If you do not actually give a rat's ass, and have no genuine interest in Lee's history, why posture as a historical curator for bronze statues as history teaching tools?

And now you're adding in an ad hominem fallacy for good measure.

Do you EVER argue with anything other than invalid fallacies?

 

[artichoke]

Facsim is a right-wing philosophy that Trump patterns his actions after.

-Democrats support government-run everything.——Nazis support government-run everything.——President Trump stands for free markets, limited government.

-Democrats support gun confiscation.——Nazis support gun confiscation.——President Trump stands for armed, free citizens.

-Democrats support abortion.——Nazis support abortion.——President Trump is anti-abortion.

-Democrats support censorship.——Nazis support censorship.——President Trump stands for free speech.

-Democrats support nanny state handouts.——Nazis support nanny state handouts.——President Trump stands for self-reliance.

-Democrats support racist preferential treatment.——Nazis support racist preferential treatment.——President Trump stands for actual equality.

-Democrats support taxpayer-funded indoctrination.——Nazis support taxpayer-funded indoctrination.——President Trump stands for school choice, actual education.

-Democrats support illegal, unprovoked wars.——Nazis support illegal, unprovoked wars.——President Trump stands for historic progress toward peace, as with Korea.

-Democrats support no freedom of religion.——Nazis support no freedom of religion.——President Trump stands for free religious exercise.

-Democrats support rigged news media.——Nazis support rigged news media.——President Trump stands for freedom of the press.

-Democrats support propagandized entertainment.——Nazis support propagandized entertainment.——President Trump stands for agenda-free entertainment.

-Democrats support a rigged justice system.——Nazis support a rigged justice system.——President Trump stands for equal protection under the law.

-Democrats support persecution of dissent.——Nazis support persecution of dissent.——President Trump stands for vigorous, open debate.

-Democrats support violent mob rule.——Nazis support violent mob rule.——President Trump stands for the rule of law.

-Democrats support employment quotas, guarantees.——Nazis support employment quotas, guarantees.——President Trump stands for merit-based employment.

-Democrats support redistribution of wealth.——Nazis support redistribution of wealth.——President Trump stands for 'You keep what you earn.'

-Democrats support taking over corporations.——Nazis support taking over corporations.——President Trump stands for protecting property rights.

-Democrats support mandatory profit-sharing.——Nazis support mandatory profit-sharing.——President Trump stands for running your own business.

-Democrats support government pensions for all.——Nazis support government pensions for all.——President Trump stands for self-reliance, 401k.

 

[artichoke]

Slavery was established because the south was an agrarian society

And because it was ALWAYS omnipresent among pretty much EVERY culture and race since the beginning of time.

Democrats are literally demanding that 99% of human history be thrown in the trash as invalid for being morally imperfect by modern standards because all of it contained slavery, until white people came along and ended it. Asinine lunatic fringe extremism.

 

[katzgar]

Wrong again, you're just failing to comprehend plain English.

Try to follow along. I can break out the crayons if necessary. Arguing that a statue commemorating a historical figure represents history (something so obvious that it shouldn't even need explained) in no way argues that it TEACHES history.

Comprehend the difference between those two assertions yet?

so your advocating for a camp Osama bin laden aren't you

 

[artichoke]

See, unlike you I am actually interested in the history of the Confereracy and their leadership from the scholarly perspective. In the same way that I am interested in the history of colonialism, communism, capitalism, fascism. We have to reflect on the scope of human history to learn moral lessons from it.

Unlike you, I can actually articulate an authentic interest in Southern history >
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...a-s-history-is-scrubbed&p=3709207#post3709207

It is obvious you are fighting with every fiber of your being to keep Lee's statue on public property - not out of a solemn duty to preserve historical teaching tools for future generations.

You have ulterior motives which you have not yet disclosed for wanting to maintain monuments of miltary leaders of the Confederate States of America on public property

No, you aren't. You've made it clear that you're only interested in lying about it from a childishly simplistic and narrow-minded perspective of hostility.

 

[artichoke]

There were farms in the North too...in fact, more farms than in the South.

Another dishonest attempt at a counterpoint. Their society and economy didn't revolve entirely around crops like the South did, lying demagogue.

The South was a white supremacist slave-based society. 9 million people lived in the Confederacy at the start of the war, and 3.5 million of them were slaves.

Or it just contained slaves like the other 99% of human history in every corner of the globe.

39% of the people who lived in the South at the start of the Civil War were slaves.

And?