Worst presidents of all time

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911 EVERY DAY
1. Ronald Reagan
2. Harding
3. George W. Bush
4. Nixon
5. Herbert Hoover
6. Coolidge
7. Grant
8. George H.W. Bush
9. Hayes
10. Garfield
11. Arthur
12. Harrison
13. McKinley
14. Taft




Republican really know how to crank em out.
 
1. Benjamin Harrison
2. Andrew Johnson
3. Herbert Hoover
4. Jimmy Carter
5. Rutherford B. Hayes
6. Warren Harding
7. Ulysses Grant
8. Abraham Lincoln
9. Bill Clinton
10. Calvin Coolidge
11. Chester Aurthur
12. George H.W. Bush
13. George W. Bush
14. Lyndon B. Johnson
 
Well I think the only president to manage to divide the nation to the point of unprecedented civil war, costing hundreds of thousands of American lives, deserves a spot on the list.

The only thing I dislike about the guy is he didn't kill more southerners. The war wast he right thing to do.

Why don't you whip our your Bullshit History book again read us that chapter you wrote about how Lincon was actually a racist who wanted to deport all the blacks?
 
The only thing I dislike about the guy is he didn't kill more southerners. The war wast he right thing to do.

Why don't you whip our your Bullshit History book again read us that chapter you wrote about how Lincon was actually a racist who wanted to deport all the blacks?

You are a prejudiced bigot. Lincoln was a racist, go read some of his statements of the time if you don't believe it. Blacks were deported, and if Lincoln had gotten his way, ALL blacks, free or not, would have been. You want to live in some idiot fantasy world, where Abe Lincoln was a great civil rights leader, and George Washington couldn't tell a lie about chopping down a cherry tree.
 
When I did a google on this, you showed up as the #5 leading authority on the matter. No joke. A thread you started about it was seriously the fifth link and the first relevant one.
 
When I did a google on this, you showed up as the #5 leading authority on the matter. No joke. A thread you started about it was seriously the fifth link and the first relevant one.

Well I have been trying to tell you pinheads how profound I am! I'm a little miffed that I wasn't #1! WTF? For the record, Google is not the authority on who is the authority! I know that is hard for a pinhead like you to grasp, but there are actually sources outside of the Internet!

Check up on the Chiriqui Project, where in 1862, Lincoln ordered the purchase of land in Central America, for the express purpose of repatriation of slaves and other free blacks. This happened! It's not something I made up or dreamed up, there are public records, congressional records of votes, financial records of the purchase! Lincoln also had over 100 slaves shipped off to an island off the coast of Haiti, where there was no development whatsoever, and most of them died there!

When Lincoln was practicing law in Illinois, he represented slave owners and lobbied the court to send slaves who had escaped, back to their 'owners' and into slavery. In 1863, West Virginia, a slave state, was accepted into the Union! Before the war, Lincoln was working on a 'compromise' with southern states, which would have allowed slavery to continue unabated until 1911! We won't even get into the overtly racist statements he made during the Lincoln-Douglas debates, where he insisted he didn't believe blacks should ever hold public office, have a vote, or live among whites!
 
Well I think the only president to manage to divide the nation to the point of unprecedented civil war, costing hundreds of thousands of American lives, deserves a spot on the list.

The South would have seceeded if either of the elections in 1856 or 1852 had gone differently. Stability and compromise were not the issue, being pro-slavery was all that mattered to the South.
 
1. Ulysses S. Grant
2. Franklin Pierce
3. James Buchanan
4. Woodrow Wilson
5. Andrew Jackson
6. Herbert C. Hoover
7. Jimmy E. Carter
8. Lyndon B. Johnson
9. George W. Bush
10. Andrew Johnson
11. Martin Van Buren
12. Franklin D. Roosevelt
13. John F. Kennedy
14. Grover Cleveland
15. Harry S Truman

I don't consider Harding to have been a bad president, based upon his record, despite sharing the same flaw as Grant, our nation's worst president, in being a poor judge of character. The nation prospered under Harding, and the postwar recession ended, the HCL (high cost of living) that the headlines rang with in 1919-21 was fully reversed, giving birth to the 20s consumer culture.

Also, I wonder why obscure presidents such as Arthur and B. Harrison are listed on Dixie's list, when alternatives such as Cleveland were really bad. I understand that Watermark is trolling, listing names such as Garfield on his list...

I am not going to rank either Nixon or Clinton, despite their corruption, as awful presidents, because they are generally considered effective. Watergate led to the disaster in 1975, though...
 
only 3 presidents belong on that list.

Lincoln - the only president to have scrapped the US Consitution entirely while subjugating half the nations states in to tyranny and be praised for it. Americans are dumbfucks.

FDR - another president who shredded the constitution by imprisoning entire groups or people based on their ethnicity and reducing the judiciary to a rubber stamp organization and half the nation praises him for it. more americans get stupid.

Lyndon Baines Johnson - for being one of the most criminal and crooked politicians to ascend to the white house and be considered a great civil rights leader. Murder and corruption to rival equality. Most americans are stupid and ignorant.
 
Check up on the Chiriqui Project, where in 1862, Lincoln ordered the purchase of land in Central America, for the express purpose of repatriation of slaves and other free blacks. This happened! It's not something I made up or dreamed up, there are public records, congressional records of votes, financial records of the purchase! Lincoln also had over 100 slaves shipped off to an island off the coast of Haiti, where there was no development whatsoever, and most of them died there!

All complete bullshit, as can be expected.

http://books.google.com/books?id=SD...X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result#PPA154,M1

Start reading at the bottom of page 154. They reference a letter from Mr. Lincoln's man in charge of securing the land. The policy of the united states clearly was that blacks were free to go voluntarily. He didn't "have them shipped." They left. Then they came back and said the living conditions were terrible and very few ever went again following 1862.

Owned, owed, and owend again. You can't write a frikkin post without lying or telling a falsehood. And you're going to dispute this book as well, no doubt. The article you got your information from in White Supremacist Monthly seems to have mislead you.
 
only 3 presidents belong on that list.

Lincoln - the only president to have scrapped the US Consitution entirely while subjugating half the nations states in to tyranny and be praised for it. Americans are dumbfucks.

FDR - another president who shredded the constitution by imprisoning entire groups or people based on their ethnicity and reducing the judiciary to a rubber stamp organization and half the nation praises him for it. more americans get stupid.

Lyndon Baines Johnson - for being one of the most criminal and crooked politicians to ascend to the white house and be considered a great civil rights leader. Murder and corruption to rival equality. Most americans are stupid and ignorant.

If we're going to play this game, you need to add Wilson (who drew/abused much more power during WWI than did Lincoln, FDR, etc.), Jackson for Indian Removal, Truman/Ike/JFK for letting the CIA run wild (and Truman came from the corrupt Pennington machine in Missouri), Nixon/Clinton for being very corrupt, etc.
 
One of Lincoln's most representative public statements on the question of racial relations was given in a speech at Springfield, Illinois, on June 26, 1857. In this address, he explained why he opposed the Kansas-Nebraska Act, which would have admitted Kansas into the Union as a slave state:

"There is a natural disgust in the minds of nearly all white people to the idea of indiscriminate amalgamation of the white and black races ... A separation of the races is the only perfect preventive of amalgamation, but as an immediate separation is impossible, the next best thing is to keep them apart where they are not already together. If white and black people never get together in Kansas, they will never mix blood in Kansas ..."


Racial separation, Lincoln went on to say, "must be effected by colonization" of the country's blacks to a foreign land. "The enterprise is a difficult one," he acknowledged,

but "where there is a will there is a way," and what colonization needs most is a hearty will. Will springs from the two elements of moral sense and self-interest. Let us be brought to believe it is morally right, and, at the same time, favorable to, or, at least, not against, our interest, to transfer the African to his native clime, and we shall find a way to do it, however great the task may be.

Even before he took office, Lincoln was pleased to note widespread public support for "colonization" of the country's blacks. "In 1861-1862, there was widespread support among conservative Republicans and Democrats for the colonization abroad of Negroes emancipated by the war," historian James M. McPherson has noted. At the same time, free blacks in parts of the North were circulating a petition asking Congress to purchase a tract of land in Central America as a site for their resettlement.

In spite of the pressing demands imposed by the war, Lincoln soon took time to implement his long-standing plan for resettling blacks outside the United States.

Ambrose W. Thompson, a Philadelphian who had grown rich in coastal shipping, provided the new president with what seemed to be a good opportunity. Thompson had obtained control of several hundred thousand acres in the Chiriqui region of what is now Panama, and had formed the "Chiriqui Improvement Company." He proposed transporting liberated blacks from the United States to the Central American region, where they would mine the coal that was supposedly there in abundance. This coal would be sold to the US Navy, with the resulting profits used to sustain the black colony, including development of plantations of cotton, sugar, coffee, and rice. The Chiriqui project would also help to extend US commercial dominance over tropical America.

Negotiations to realize the plan began in May 1861, and on August 8, Thompson made a formal proposal to Secretary of the Navy Gideon Wells to deliver coal from Chiriqui at one-half the price the government was then paying. Meanwhile, Lincoln had referred the proposal to his brother-in-law, Ninian W. Edwards, who, on August 9, 1861, enthusiastically endorsed the proposed contract.

Eager to proceed with the Chiriqui project, on August 14, 1862, Lincoln met with five free black ministers, the first time a delegation of their race was invited to the White House on a matter of public policy. The President made no effort to engage in conversation with the visitors, who were bluntly informed that they had been invited to listen. Lincoln did not mince words, but candidly told the group:

"You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffers very greatly, many of them, by living among us, while ours suffers from your presence. In a word, we suffer on each side. If this is admitted, it affords a reason at least why we should be separated.

... Even when you cease to be slaves, you are yet far removed from being placed on an equality with the white race ... The aspiration of men is to enjoy equality with the best when free, but on this broad continent, not a single man of your race is made the equal of a single man of ours. Go where you are treated the best, and the ban is still upon you.

... We look to our condition, owing to the existence of the two races on this continent. I need not recount to you the effects upon white men growing out of the institution of slavery. I believe in its general evil effects on the white race.

See our present condition -- the country engaged in war! -- our white men cutting one another's throats, none knowing how far it will extend; and then consider what we know to be the truth. But for your race among us there could not be war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for you one way or the other. Nevertheless, I repeat, without the institution of slavery, and the colored race as a basis, the war would not have an existence.

It is better for us both, therefore, to be separated."


An excellent site for black resettlement, Lincoln went on, was available in Central America. It had good harbors and an abundance of coal that would permit the colony to be quickly put on a firm financial footing. The President concluded by asking the delegation to determine if a number of freedmen with their families would be willing to go as soon as arrangements could be made.

The next day, Rev. Mitchell -- who had attended the historic White House meeting as Lincoln's Commissioner of Immigration -- placed an advertisement in northern newspapers announcing: "Correspondence is desired with colored men favorable to Central America, Liberian or Haitian emigration, especially the first named." Mitchell also sent a memorandum to black ministers urging them to use their influence to encourage emigration. Providence itself, he wrote, had decreed a separate existence for the races. Blacks were half responsible for the terrible Civil War, Mitchell went on, and forecast further bloodshed unless they left the country. He concluded:

"This is a nation of equal white laborers, and as you cannot be accepted on equal terms, there is no place here for you. You cannot go into the North or the West without arousing the growing feeling of hostility toward you. The south must also have a homogeneous population, and any attempt to give the freedmen equal status in the South will bring disaster to both races."

Lincoln continued to press ahead with his plan to resettle blacks in Central America, in spite of opposition from all but one member of his own Cabinet, and the conclusion of a scientific report that Chiriqui coal was "worthless."

Mounting opposition to any resettlement plan also came from abolitionists, who insisted that blacks had a right to remain in the land of their birth. In addition, some Republican party leaders opposed resettlement because they were counting on black political support, which would be particularly important in controlling a defeated South, where most whites would be barred from voting. Others agreed with Republican Senator Charles Sumner, who argued that black laborers were an important part of the national economy, and any attempt to export them "would be fatal to the prosperity of the country." In the (Northern) election campaign of November 1862, emancipation figured as a major issue. Violent mobs of abolitionists opposed those who spoke out in favor of resettlement.

What proved decisive in bringing an end to the Chiriqui project, though, were emphatic protests by the republics that would be directly effected by large-scale resettlement. In Central America, the prospect that millions of blacks would soon be arriving provoked alarm. A sense of panic prevailed in Nicaragua and Honduras, the American consul reported, because of fears of "a dreadful deluge of negro emigration ... from the United States." In August and September, Honduras, Nicaragua and Costa Rica protested officially to the American government about the resettlement venture. (Objection from Costa Rica was particularly worrisome because that country claimed part of the Chiriqui territory controlled by Thompson.)

On September 19, envoy Luis Molina, a diplomat who represented the three Central American states, formally explained to American officials the objections of the three countries against the resettlement plan. This venture, he protested, was an attempt to use Central America as a depository for "a plague of which the United States desired to rid themselves." Molina also reminded Seward that, for the USA to remain faithful to its own Monroe Doctrine, it could no more assume that there were lands available in Latin America for colonization than could a European power. The envoy concluded his strong protest by hinting that the republics he represented were prepared to use force to repel what they interpreted as an invasion. Learning later that the resettlement project was still underway, Molina delivered a second formal protest on September 29.

Secretary of State Seward was not able to ignore such protests. After all, why should Central Americans be happy to welcome people of a race that was so despised in the United States? Accordingly, on October 7, 1862, Seward prevailed on the President to call a "temporary" halt to the Chiriqui project. Thus, the emphatic unwillingness of the Central American republics to accept black migrants dealt the decisive blow to the Chiriqui project. At a time when the Union cause was still precarious, Secretary of State Steward was obliged to show special concern for US relations with Latin America.

In spite of such obstacles, Lincoln re-affirmed his strong support for gradual emancipation coupled with resettlement in his second annual message to Congress of December 1, 1862. On this occasion he used the word deportation. So serious was he about his plan that he proposed a draft Constitutional Amendment to give it the greatest legal sanction possible. Lincoln told Congress:

"I cannot make it better known than it already is, that I strongly favor colonization."

"In this view, I recommend the adoption of the following resolution and articles amendatory to the Constitution of the United States" ... "Congress may appropriate money, and otherwise provide, for colonizing free colored persons, with their consent, at any place or places without the United States."


"Applications have been made to me by many free Americans of African descent to favor their emigration, with a view to such colonization as was contemplated in recent acts of Congress ... Several of the Spanish American republics have protested against the sending of such colonies [settlers] to their respective territories ... Liberia and Haiti are, as yet, the only countries to which colonists of African descent from here could go with certainty of being received and adopted as citizens ...

Their old masters will gladly give them wages at least until new laborers can be procured; and the freedmen, in turn, will gladly give their labor for the wages, till new homes can be found for them, in congenial climes, and with people of their own blood and race.

Fellow-citizens, we cannot escape history. We of this Congress and this administration will be remembered in spite of ourselves ..."


The President's December 1862 proposal had five basic elements:

1. Because slavery was a "domestic institution," and thus the concern of the states alone, they -- and not the federal government -- were to voluntarily emancipate the slaves.

2. Slave-holders would be fully compensated for their loss.

3. The federal government would assist the states, with bonds as grants in aid, in meeting the financial burden of compensation.

4. Emancipation would be carried out gradually: the states would have until the year 1900 to free their slaves.

5. The freed blacks would be resettled outside the United States.


With the collapse of the Chiriqui plan, Lincoln next gave serious consideration to a small Caribbean island off the coast of the black republic of Haiti, Ile ä Vache, as a possible resettlement site for freed blacks.

In December 1862, the President signed a contract with Bernard Kock, a businessman who said that he had obtained a long-term lease on the island. Kock agreed to settle 5,000 blacks on the island, and to provide them with housing, food, medicine, churches, schools, and employment, at a cost to the government of $50 each. About 450 blacks were accordingly transported to the island at federal government expense, but the project was not a success. As a result of poor organization, corruption, and Haitian government opposition, about a hundred of the deportees soon died of disease, thirst and starvation. In February-March 1864, a government-chartered ship brought the survivors back to the United States. After that, Congress cancelled all funds it had set aside for black resettlement.

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Now your original asswipe comment was: Why don't you whip our your Bullshit History book again read us that chapter you wrote about how Lincon was actually a racist who wanted to deport all the blacks?

I think I have done that, and you haven't refuted a fucking thing I've said! If you want to beat your chest and pretend you've "schooled" me, be my guest, the fucking history books speak for themselves on this matter. If you are too inept at understanding history, find another topic to debate, moron!
 
Nothing in there says they moved against their will (you claimed Lincoln had them shipped out). He favored giving them a safe refuge, which was stated in the link I gave. Nothing you have shown has backed up your claims that Lincoln was a racist who wanted to ship all blacks off the mainland against their will.

You are full of dog shit. Not even bullshit. That's too good for you.
 
Nothing in there says they moved against their will (you claimed Lincoln had them shipped out). He favored giving them a safe refuge, which was stated in the link I gave. Nothing you have shown has backed up your claims that Lincoln was a racist who wanted to ship all blacks off the mainland against their will.

You are full of dog shit. Not even bullshit. That's too good for you.

Shockingly Lincoln was both a product of his times and one that saw the future. He was not convinced of the equality of blacks, of that there is little doubt. He also believe that slavery was wrong and would die if not 'fed' or allowed to expand, thus his stand about Missouri-Kansas. The Civil War for Lincoln, not for the South or the abolitionists had always been about "The Union", not slavery. Sure he hoped for a bloodless solution such as voluntary colonial locations, he really pushed for that, but there were few 'volunteers' and no desirable alternative locations.

He indeed was the first president to greatly expand presidential powers in the manner Jefferson feared, yet even at the time he would lament what he saw as the necessities of such actions. Like every president before or following him, he was not a 'simple man', he was not a wholly evil or great man, he was complex.

While certainly discussed less, at least in the North, Jefferson Davis exhibited many of the same characteristics due to being another brilliant leader, albeit of a different place at the same time. Robert E. Lee did not come through the War of Secession untouched by either the attempted breakup of the Union or the institution of slavery.
 
Well I think the only president to manage to divide the nation to the point of unprecedented civil war, costing hundreds of thousands of American lives, deserves a spot on the list.

Yeah - he "managed" to divide the nation; the South had nothing to do with it.

Man, are you a lost case.
 
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