What do Nazi and Confederate Flags have to do with ending the lockdown?

FreeSpeech said:
A) insurrection is not a capital offense it is only punishable by imprisonment and fines as are
seditious conspiracy and incitement to rebellion, check your statutes, only treason is a capital offense and the Constitution is quite clear that is only for giving aid and comfort to a foreign enemy.
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Quite right. No State makes brandishing a gun, even in the commission of a crime, a capital offense.
FreeSpeech said:
B) the Brandenburg decision of the SCOTUS is quite clear, only threats of imminent and likely lawless action can be criminalized IE the clear and probable test, which is why we can't lock up Communists for advocating violent revolution and the overthrow of the US government.
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SCOTUS cannot apply the 1st amendment to this case. The 1st amendment applies only to the federal government, as specified in the 1st amendment itself. They CAN apply it to the Ohio State Constitution, however, and read the same conclusion (See $11) of the Constitution of the State of Ohio).

Thus, their reasoning was faulty, but they did reach a valid conclusion nevertheless.
The same conclusion would apply for those speaking out against the U.S. government, where the 1st amendment would apply.
 
Flash said:
...Sure, he has violated several laws before he says a word. A man was convicted and imprisoned for threatening President Obama on a Yahoo message board. He called him a racial slur and said he "is going to take a 45 caliber to the head." His conviction was overturned because he did not claim he was going to harm anybody.

Secret Service investigates cases all the time where some guy on a barstool next to you says he wants to kill the president. They are almost all dismissed as not serious.
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Court costs are as bad as medical costs. Remember Hillary's "dead broke" comment? Legal fees.

Agreed, but I have little doubt all are raked over the coals first. OTOH, I've had a few people arrested. The raging, arrogant "I know my rights" asshole immediately turns into a meek little kitten when the cops show up. It's hilarious!
 
Egg Shell said:
This is a thread about Nazi and Confederate flags.
Not your butthurt issues.
Man up Nancy
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Lying POS sock puppeteers are scumbags just like Nazis and racists. Disagreed on the flying of American flags.

Man up and apologize, liar.

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Flash said:
Yes, that is the price we pay for our freedoms. Unfortunate, but better than the alternative. The Neo-Nazis already had the right to march even without the ACLU. The ACLU always gets threats and resignations when it represents unpopular groups. When it got the Trump travel ban blocked membership quadrupled and donations were $83 million compared to $5 million during a typical period.

The same constitutional principles existed 3 years ago as 50 years ago. Anybody committing violence should be prosecuted.

If a group/person went around making inflammatory speeches and fights broke out between his supporters and counter protestors in 10 cities in a row, the next city cannot ban that person from speaking because there might be violence. If violence is a good possibility, the city has the responsibility to make sure they have sufficient security to prevent or control that violence.

I think the counter-protestors should stay at home. Not only do they avoid violence but do not give the Nazis the publicity they seek when fights occur. Fights are their guarantee of attention. I guess the counter protestors like their attention, also.

When James Byrd was murdered in Jasper, TX, the New Black Panther Party did a protest and carried guns. There was no violence because they voluntarily agreed to limit their march to certain areas.
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smh...........
 
TTQ64 said:
smh...........
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Do you think it would have been better for the Panthers and KKK to march in the same area (carrying guns) and risk a lot of violence? Having them protest in two separate areas was a common sense measure both groups agreed to.
 
FreeSpeech said:
A) insurrection is not a capital offense it is only punishable by imprisonment and fines as are
seditious conspiracy and incitement to rebellion, check your statutes, only treason is a capital offense and the Constitution is quite clear that is only for giving aid and comfort to a foreign enemy.

B) the Brandenburg decision of the SCOTUS is quite clear, only threats of imminent and likely lawless action can be criminalized IE the clear and probable test, which is why we can't lock up Communists for advocating violent revolution and the overthrow of the US government.
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We can't lock-up faggoty Marxist pigs for advocating the mass murder of the population, but, they should have the decency to accede to their Cold War defeat, and commit seppuku.
 
Into the Night said:
I was referring to the dead of Waco, TX. That raid was ordered by Janet Reno, under the authority of Bill Clinton. Ruby Ridge did indeed happen in the closing year of Bush Sr. It was the act of rogue agents acting without authority. The organizer of the raid, a U.S. Marshall, was killed in that raid.
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The initial raid in Waco happened before Reno took office, but the ending raid happened after she took office. The entire beginning to end of Ruby Ridge happened under trump's Barr. If it was all rogue agents with no authority then Barr really should do something about that.

But we all know that Barr approved both actions.
 
WitoldPilecki said:
Soros Open Society Foundation is fundamentally anti-American, by supporting Illegal Immigrants.
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Soros supports a path for citizenship for people brought here as children. You can disagree, but that is a political disagreement. Making one side "anti-American" is not what a free society does.

But even if we accept that supporting an open society with reasonable laws is the same as Nazism, Soros did not lie about his membership when he naturalized. The OSF did not exist when he naturalized.

Gorka lied when he naturalized.
 
FreeSpeech said:
You're so full of it, once again the standard flu test worked on the swine flu as did the standard flu vaccine Obama didn't have to develop or mass produce a god damn thing they were already in ready supply.
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Just testing for influenza would have done nothing. They needed to test for a specific strain, Swine Flu. It is the same with Covid-19, they needed the specific strain, not just any Coronavirus. Both involve tests for specific RNA's, which have to be developed quickly
 
FreeSpeech said:
There is no evidence that the lockdowns reduced infection rates in fact the least locked down states are having the least amount of cases. Not only that but the lock downs prevented building up a heard immunity allowing for a relapse.
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So you claim there is no evidence that it reduces infection rates, AND it absolutely reduces infection rates preventing herd immunity? You are all over the map here.

Reducing infection rates does not prevent herd (or heard as you write it) immunity. It slows the forming of herd immunity.
 
FreeSpeech said:
Bullshit, brandishing is when the muzzle is raised at a person, you can protest a you want with a rifle strapped to your chest or slung on your shoulder in an open carry state.
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So as long as I do not point the gun at the teller, I can walk into a bank and demand money. It is not armed robbery. Good to know.

In the real world, presenting a gun, and a demand at the same time, is either armed robber or terrorism.
 
FreeSpeech said:
A) insurrection is not a capital offense it is only punishable by imprisonment and fines as are seditious conspiracy and incitement to rebellion, check your statutes, only treason is a capital offense and the Constitution is quite clear that is only for giving aid and comfort to a foreign enemy.
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Insurrection is a form of treason. The Constitution specifically states that, "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them." There is no requirement for the enemies to be foreign. In fact, it is implied that treason is only levying war against a state you are a citizen of, not in levying war against a foreign state.

The Constitution does not say that treason is a capital crime, or that other crimes are not a capital crime.
 
Flash said:
Only if you can prove it is a real threat. The person must be serious and capable of carrying it out. If you say "I'm going to blow up the courthouse if social change does not occur" it is unlikely you would be prosecuted unless they found weapons, plans, or something showing you were serious.
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Yes, walking into a government building with guns out in the open, demanding policy change or you will use the guns, is proving that you are a real threat. They "protesters" are eager to prove they are a real threat.

Flash said:
Secret Service investigates cases all the time where some guy on a barstool next to you says he wants to kill the president. They are almost all dismissed as not serious.
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And that defense falls right apart when you walk into a government building with military style weapons.
 
Into the Night said:
Illegally brandishing a weapon is not a life sentence in any State. In Washington, illegally brandishing a weapon is a gross misdemeanor. Source: RCW

It is YOU that doesn't know what you're talking about.
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I was responding to his assertion that he can legally shoot peaceful protesters who are open carrying which he labeled as the same as brandishing.
 
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