What do Nazi and Confederate Flags have to do with ending the lockdown?

[BattleofHodow]

By surrendering it to the Germans to create a puppet/buffer state at the end of WWI. Before that, Poland was mostly in Russia.

Before WW1 Poland didn't exist for 123 years, after WW1 it did due to Poles fighting for it in the Greater Poland Uprising.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Not a cohesive group. Most of the American members are under age 15.



Neither have agency in the USA. I know this because both would love to strike at the USA, but neither have been able to in a long while.



Has not targeted reasonable Americans. Any group that is looking for a fight is dangerous, but they have only targeted the Neo-Nazis/Alt Right, and have only done it some of the time. Most of the time the Neo-Nazis/Alt Right have been alone to create violence.



Mostly peaceful with reasonable goals. They sometimes go to far and become violent, but that has not risen to the level of terrorism.



All drug dealing gangs who would not want terrorism disrupting their drug dealing. The drugs the deal do damage to America, but it is a different damage than terrorism.

Gangs probably kill a lot more Americans than Terrorists do.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Nope. Terrorism is a method to induce terror in a population through violent acts. Murdering people due to their political beliefs is not in and of itself terrorism. It is simply murder.

The Jewish Defense League do what he says, they kill Nazis, and anti-Semitic targets, it is terrorism, they blow up, or terrorize any group they fear will attack Jews.

It's politically motivated murder against political agenda to kill based on terror against the perceived enemy.

 

[Into the Night]

Ruby Ridge happened before Clinton was elected. Clinton was the Governor of Arkansas, and Reno was the Attorney General of Florida. Neither had any power over federal agents acting in Idaho. Whatever happened it happened while papa Bush was President, and William Barr was Attorney General....

WAIT A SECOND!!! William Barr, I know that name. Isn't that the current Attorney General under trump?

Yes, the Attorney General that was in charge of the attack at Ruby Ridge and planned the attack on the Branch Davidian is the current Attorney General under trump. If he ordered murder, as you claim, why would trump appoint him as Attorney General?

Both situations started with the supposed non-extremists murdering law enforcement agents, and escalated into them taking their own families hostage. Killing law enforcement agents seems very extreme to me, and using your own children as human shields is downright crazy.

I was referring to the dead of Waco, TX. That raid was ordered by Janet Reno, under the authority of Bill Clinton.

Ruby Ridge did indeed happen in the closing year of Bush Sr. It was the act of rogue agents acting without authority. The organizer of the raid, a U.S. Marshall, was killed in that raid.

Randy Weaver killed no federal agent prior to the raid. He didn't fire first either. Federal agents did, first killing his dog, which had discovered the heavily armed team of agents trespassing on Weaver's land. The resulting firefight against these agents was an act of self defense. Weaver's son was shot in the back by the U.S. Marshall, who was in turn killed by Martin Harris, a friend of the family. Weaver's wife was also killed although she was not firing at anybody and presented no threat. Randy Weaver and his three daughters survived the incident and successfully sued the Federal government for failing to control its agents, resulting in trespassing, and in the death of members of his family and his dog.

 

[BattleofHodow]

There are no Nazis. The Nazi party was destroyed during WW2.

That's what I meant by the real Nazis were a Global threat, as in Hitler's Nazis were.

 

[BattleofHodow]

There was a lot of internal debate about how to destroy the Poles. One of the plans was to have the Poles speak German, and become German. There are many blond haired, blue eyed Poles that the Germans would have loved to have had. Another plan involved letting the Poles all die from neglect. Most of the food the Poles would grow would be stolen from them, and Poles would be offered some food (but not enough) for working for the Germans. It might take a hundred years, but either way in the end, no more Poles.

As I mention, not anything redeeming about the Nazis. I don't think any good human would want to associate with them.

It all reminds me of the internet joke, "the only good thing Hitler did was kill Hitler."

Generalplan Ost was the Nazi plan to exterminate or deport most Poles past the Urals into Siberia, and Germanize the remaining few.

Just because Poles were Blonde haired & Blue eyes, doesn't mean they're Nordics.

Hitler thought Dolichocephalic people were superior, almost no Poles are Dolichocephalic.

Of course, in reality most of Germany's best & brightest were Brachycephalic, like Poles & Ashkenazi Jews.

 

[BattleofHodow]

No, the Nazis were against the socialists. They had the same root word, but that is like saying a calculator is made of calcium, because they have the same Latin root.

In German, it would be Nationalsozialismus, one word. Both socialism and Nationalsozialismus use the Latin socius which means allies, companions, or in these cases a common team. Where it differs is what that common team is for. Nationalsozialismus is where the common team works for the nation in a political/government arena. Socialism is where the common team works together for the economy in the economic realm. Nazism is a system of government, whereas socialism is a system of economics.

Nationalsozialismus being one word meant it was not a type of socialism, but rather a word using socius as a root.



They actually came for the communists first, and then the socialists. They claimed that the Jews were behind both, so came for the Jews right after those two.



Sort of. It is more complex than you make it sound. Auschwitz was first a "quarantine camp". The first prisoners sent there were German common criminals who were prisoners, but also internal guards. The next group of prisoners sent there were Polish intelligentsia. They were not POWs, and almost half of them were Jewish. They were sent there because they were intelligent capable Poles, not because they were Catholic or Jewish. They were mostly not in the military, and were not given any military honors. A "quarantine camp" is where the Germans sent people while they decided what to do with them. Most of them were sent to Germany for killing, but some were released, and few ended up dying in the camp.

The Nazis first started exterminating people with a test group of Soviet POWs. They were used because they were already being held and transported. They were used only as a test for the Jews who were going to be exterminated there. At that point Auschwitz went from a "quarantine camp" to a "concentration camp"(really an extermination camp). Most new arrivals lived for less than an hour. It was originally meant for Jews, but they had no problem adding anyone else who caused them problems, or that they did not want in their future Germany.

Nazis went after Left-Wing Socialists & Communists.

They didn't go after the Right-Wing Socialists, who were among the rest of the Nazis.

The roots of Fascists / Nazis are Yellow Socialists.

Yellow Socialists broke away from Marxists & Democratic Socialists, due to quarrels over Yellow Socialists being Nationalist, anti-Semitic, and Theocratic.

The Yellow Socialists were the prototype of Fascism.

A lot of the first victims of Auschwitz were non-Jewish Poles, Catholic priests included, and POW's & other Polish Political Prisoners.

 

[BattleofHodow]

And we get back to the point that Judaism is thrust on Jews, not a choice. Soros was never religiously a Jew, and yet because his ancestors were Jewish, he is a Jew.

Soros has never joined an anti-American group, and did not have to lie to get US citizenship. It is illegal to be a member of Vitezi Rend and to get US citizenship, so Gorka had to lie to get US citizenship. Materially lying to get citizenship is a denaturalizing situation.

Soros Open Society Foundation is fundamentally anti-American, by supporting Illegal Immigrants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Society_Foundations

 

[Into the Night]

We were talking about what led up to the Civil War.

Of course, after Lincoln died, he had a difficult time continuing his political ambitions.

There never was a civil war in the United States. The so-called Civil War was actually a war of secession, the same kind of war that the revolutionary war was. The seceding parties (the Confederation) were not successful in that war. It began over the invasion of troops into a foreign power (The Confederation) to resupply a fort, itself illegally occupied. At the time South Carolina was not part of the United States.

The cause of secession was various unconstitutional acts by the federal government resulting in seizure of private property without due process or compensation. Some of the property was, however, slaves; and Lincoln wanted to end slavery.

 

[Into the Night]

Nazis are a "national threat", per the FBI.

There are no Nazis. The Nazi Party was destroyed in WW2.

 

[Into the Night]

And Nazis have massacred people, and the FBI says they are "a national threat".

What do we do to national threats?




Nazism isn't merely a belief, it's a genocidal cult. Reducing Nazism to a belief lends it legitimacy.

Nazis are not a national threat. The Nazi Party was in Germany and was destroyed in WW2.

 

[Into the Night]

You cannot prove that claim.

Attempted force of negative proof fallcy.

We have no contact tracing, so we have no idea how Covid-19 spread in the first few months.

You have no idea if Covid-19 was even involved. Attempted force of negative proof fallacy.

We still do not know for sure. We probably never will know.

But you are saying that you DO know. Which is it, dude?

Pelosi is from San Fransisco, not NYC. Her Chinatown is in San Fransisco. San Fransisco is a major hub of Pacific travel, so would be expected to have a huge number of Covid-19 cases. It has a surprisingly low number, compared to what would be expected. They got serious about having a lockdown early, and that has done them well.

It has done nothing but helped to ruin their businesses. You consider this serving them well???

And yet it did not happen, so why not? San Fransisco's Chinatown is apparently enough removed from China that families are not visiting each other. You might visit your brother, but will you visit your 23rd cousin?

You seem to be arguing against yourself.

Now that is a lie. Obama did a million tests in the first month. trump did 147 tests in the first month. The only record there is a record big failure.

Lie. Neither Obama nor Trump conduct tests of viruses.

 

[Into the Night]

The 1st Amendment protects freedom of speech.

Why should people be killed for their beliefs, exactly?

That's definitely Terrorism.

Not terrorism. Try again. RQAA.

 

[Into the Night]

But the entire point of Nazis is to kill other people.

So you should care. If you don't, it means you don't really care about anyone else and are just posturing on a message board.

WRONG. The entire point of the Nazi Party was to implement fascism by dictatorship, a form of socialism.

 

[Into the Night]

That's what I meant by the real Nazis were a Global threat, as in Hitler's Nazis were.

Yes they were, which is why most of the world allied against them.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Not terrorism. Try again. RQAA.

It definitely fits the definition.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/terrorism

the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

 

[Into the Night]

Nazis went after Left-Wing Socialists & Communists.

They didn't go after the Right-Wing Socialists, who were among the rest of the Nazis.

The roots of Fascists / Nazis are Yellow Socialists.

Yellow Socialists broke away from Marxists & Democratic Socialists, due to quarrels over Yellow Socialists being Nationalist, anti-Semitic, and Theocratic.

The Yellow Socialists were the prototype of Fascism.

A lot of the first victims of Auschwitz were non-Jewish Poles, Catholic priests included, and POW's & other Polish Political Prisoners.

There is no 'wing' to socialism. Socialism is socialism. Fascism is a form of socialism. The Nazi party could not suffer any rivals, so it went after the communists in Germany as well. Communism is the final form of socialism.

 

[Into the Night]

It definitely fits the definition.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/terrorism

the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

And how does the 1st amendment fit into this??

 

[BattleofHodow]

There is no 'wing' to socialism. Socialism is socialism. Fascism is a form of socialism. The Nazi party could not suffer any rivals, so it went after the communists in Germany as well. Communism is the final form of socialism.

Nazis were Right-Wing Socialists, because they supported tradition, and hierarchy.

 

[Flash]

Or remember the Unite the Right rally, where the locals wanted to ban a bunch of Neo-Nazi trump supporters from marching in their city. The ACLU took up their case, and got the Neo-Nazi trump supporters the right to march. Very quickly that went ugly. Neo-Nazi trump supporters showed up with guns. They broke the rules of the march by marching the day before and attacking graduate students at the local university. The ACLU is rethinking whether they should defend violent groups right to "protest" with violence.

This happened less than 3 years ago, not 50 years ago.

Yes, that is the price we pay for our freedoms. Unfortunate, but better than the alternative. The Neo-Nazis already had the right to march even without the ACLU. The ACLU always gets threats and resignations when it represents unpopular groups. When it got the Trump travel ban blocked membership quadrupled and donations were $83 million compared to $5 million during a typical period.

The same constitutional principles existed 3 years ago as 50 years ago. Anybody committing violence should be prosecuted.

If a group/person went around making inflammatory speeches and fights broke out between his supporters and counter protestors in 10 cities in a row, the next city cannot ban that person from speaking because there might be violence. If violence is a good possibility, the city has the responsibility to make sure they have sufficient security to prevent or control that violence.

I think the counter-protestors should stay at home. Not only do they avoid violence but do not give the Nazis the publicity they seek when fights occur. Fights are their guarantee of attention. I guess the counter protestors like their attention, also.

When James Byrd was murdered in Jasper, TX, the New Black Panther Party did a protest and carried guns. There was no violence because they voluntarily agreed to limit their march to certain areas.