What do Nazi and Confederate Flags have to do with ending the lockdown?

[Flash]

There is no 'wing' to socialism. Socialism is socialism. Fascism is a form of socialism. The Nazi party could not suffer any rivals, so it went after the communists in Germany as well. Communism is the final form of socialism.

Socialism is an economic system. Fascism and communism are political systems. While socialism is an integral part of communism, communism is not the final form of socialism. China is still communist but has dropped much of its socialist economics.

There are no socialist nations that became communist. Communist nations adopted socialism as part of their system.

 

[Into the Night]

Nazis were Right-Wing Socialists, because they supported tradition, and hierarchy.

There is no such thing as a 'right wing socialist'. Buzzword fallacy. They did not support tradition. They supported a dictatorship.

 

[BattleofHodow]

There is no such thing as a 'right wing socialist'. Buzzword fallacy. They did not support tradition. They supported a dictatorship.

They promoted the German traditions,and hierarchy against non-Germans, and it just happens to be at that time German traditions also included strongman similar to dictators.

 

[Into the Night]

They promoted the German traditions,and hierarchy against non-Germans, and it just happens to be at that time German traditions also included strongman similar to dictators.

No, they didn't. Sadistic dictatorships are not in the German tradition.

 

[BattleofHodow]

No, they didn't. Sadistic dictatorships are not in the German tradition.

They weren't much better in WW1, when they gassed soldiers, or sent the train of Bolsheviks to Russia.

 

[FreeSpeech]

We have reached three record highs in new case counts in the last week.

How many times do I have to debunk your disinformation? I noticed you don't bring up the quarantines anymore do ya? We flattened the curve weeks ago:

A Coronavirus Milestone: The Flattening Of The Curve

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradmc...one-the-flattening-of-the-curve/#4dba8a1f4ba5

The U.S. Has Flattened the Curve. Next Up Is 'Squashing' It — and That's Not Going Well

https://time.com/5827156/squashing-squash-curve-coronavirus-covid19/

 

[FreeSpeech]

There is no difference. Brandishing a weapon is brandishing a weapon. Doesn't matter if it's being held at your side, or aimed at someone. And you know what else? I don't even need you to be brandishing a weapon in order to stand my ground.

You have no fucking clue what you're talking about it's only brandishing if the muzzle is raised at people so like I said you go ahead and test that theory have a nice life sentence you stupid fuck.

 

[FreeSpeech]

We should have had more capacity than only 147 in the first month. Germany and South Korea both created over half a million in the first month. The UK was a laggard with only 100,000 in the first month. There is no way we should have only had 147 in the first month. That is a failure of epic proportions.

Where are you getting your stats from because I find them fishy as South Korea has only done about 650 thousand tests in total. What is your start date for the month? Are you starting from the first reported case in the respective country? Are you starting the month on the same date for every country?

Obama was able to create 2 million Swine Flu tests in the first month. Not exactly the same test, but very similar. Both are tests for exact RNA, which is quite difficult. You do not want other strains to test positive.

What happened in the ten years between Obama getting 2 million tests, and trump getting 147 tests? What was the huge drop in capacity from?

We do not know for sure, but we do know trump does not want us to find out. A good President would be demanding answers to what went wrong.

You're so full of it, once again the standard flu test worked on the swine flu as did the standard flu vaccine Obama didn't have to develop or mass produce a god damn thing they were already in ready supply.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

What's your point?

To never trust a lying POS. Amirite, M. V. Mason/Miss Margot Frank/Anne Frank?

 

[FreeSpeech]

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There is no evidence that the lockdowns reduced infection rates in fact the least locked down states are having the least amount of cases. Not only that but the lock downs prevented building up a heard immunity allowing for a relapse.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Anyone flying the Confederate flag should be shot on site as a treasonous piece of shit

As should all lying POS sock puppeteers. Right Miss Margot Frank/M. V. Mason/Anne Frank?

 

[FreeSpeech]

When you openly carry a weapon, you have to be very careful not to be threatening, which means you cannot protest.

If you are not armed, you can scream that you want the "governor out or else..." If you are carrying a weapon obviously, the "or else" is assumed to involve murder.

Bullshit, brandishing is when the muzzle is raised at a person, you can protest a you want with a rifle strapped to your chest or slung on your shoulder in an open carry state.

 

[FreeSpeech]

A live vaccine is one form of vaccine, but is not the only form of vaccine. There are also dead vaccines where parts of the virus are introduced, and even vaccines where the antibodies are introduced. None of that matters to HIV.

If a vaccine could be developed against HIV, the immune system could attack HIV and kill it. Yes, HIV would be attacking the immune system at the same time, but the immune system could, in theory, win that war. The problem appears to be that as a RNA virus, HIV evolves around a vaccine within a few days. A similar problem happens with Influenza, where the virus evolves around a vaccine pretty much every year, which is why you need a new vaccine every year for a new couple of strains of Influenza.

Ya um no, anti-bodies actually feed the HIV virus as it uses white blood cells to replicate.

Covid-19 is also a RNA virus, so evolves quickly. The question is how quickly would it evolve around a vaccine. If it takes a decade, we can eliminate it before then and hopefully get back to picking up the pieces of our economy. If it takes a day to evolve around a vaccine, we are screwed.

This strain of Coronavirus is actually known as a dumb virus it has a slow mutation rate:

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-mutation-rate.html

A bad sign is seeing a viral load in some patients after we thought they were cured. This suggests that immunity is not long lasting.

Just because we want a vaccine to be able to be developed does not mean that it will be able to be developed. That is just a sad fact.

Lockdowns have obviously had an effect. The unknown is how much of an effect they have had, and what parts have had an effect. We will be trying to figure that out for decades to come. Heck, scientists are still trying to figure out how much effect the lockdowns on Spanish Flu had 100 years ago.

No they haven't and there is no evidence for that claim whatsoever in fact 66% of NYC cases were of people from non-essential jobs.

If anything the only effect the lock downs have had is ti prevent the development of a heard immunity which will lead to an inevitable relapse. Rinse and repeat.

 

[Matt Dillon]

As should all lying POS sock puppeteers. Right Miss Margot Frank/M. V. Mason/Anne Frank?

Uh-oh, Margot is here? Margot probably runs a Linux-type system with up to 12 VMs open to at least 1 forum apc at any given hour of the day.

The very definition of online shill is Margot.

 

[Into the Night]

They weren't much better in WW1, when they gassed soldiers, or sent the train of Bolsheviks to Russia.

I don't think sadistic dictatorships are good at any time, during any war or peacetime.

 

[FreeSpeech]

It is actually MORE illegal, because it is based on a condition that might not occur.

Lets say you are playing a sport against someone, and scream, "I will kill you." That can be passed off as an idle threat with no real threat backing it up. If however you threaten to kill someone unless they give you their wallet, and they give your their wallet, there is no way to prove you would not have gone through with the threat... And the threat is part of an armed robbery.

If you make a threat of violence unless their is political or social change, that is called terrorism, and possibly insurrection. You have gone from a minor felony to a capital case.

A) insurrection is not a capital offense it is only punishable by imprisonment and fines as are
seditious conspiracy and incitement to rebellion, check your statutes, only treason is a capital offense and the Constitution is quite clear that is only for giving aid and comfort to a foreign enemy.

B) the Brandenburg decision of the SCOTUS is quite clear, only threats of imminent and likely lawless action can be criminalized IE the clear and probable test, which is why we can't lock up Communists for advocating violent revolution and the overthrow of the US government.

 

[Flash]

It is actually MORE illegal, because it is based on a condition that might not occur.

Lets say you are playing a sport against someone, and scream, "I will kill you." That can be passed off as an idle threat with no real threat backing it up. If however you threaten to kill someone unless they give you their wallet, and they give your their wallet, there is no way to prove you would not have gone through with the threat... And the threat is part of an armed robbery.

I disagree. It is not the same thing. If I threaten to kill someone if they do not give me their wallet I have made a threat whether he gives me his wallet or not--it is robbery.

If I say "if I ever get my sights on LBJ I'm going to shoot him" that is a condition that probably will never occur and was in the context of expressing opposition to the war in Vietnam. Free speech involves the discussion of public issues (president and war) while the other is simply robbery with no political context.

If you make a threat of violence unless their is political or social change, that is called terrorism, and possibly insurrection. You have gone from a minor felony to a capital case.

Only if you can prove it is a real threat. The person must be serious and capable of carrying it out. If you say "I'm going to blow up the courthouse if social change does not occur" it is unlikely you would be prosecuted unless they found weapons, plans, or something showing you were serious.

On the other hand, if he had walked into the White House with a gun and said, "if you(LBJ) do not reverse civil rights, I will kill you", that would be a terrorist threat, and he would go to prison for a long time. The difference is on how the condition is met.

Sure, he has violated several laws before he says a word. A man was convicted and imprisoned for threatening President Obama on a Yahoo message board. He called him a racial slur and said he "is going to take a 45 caliber to the head." His conviction was overturned because he did not claim he was going to harm anybody.

Secret Service investigates cases all the time where some guy on a barstool next to you says he wants to kill the president. They are almost all dismissed as not serious.

 

[Into the Night]

You have no fucking clue what you're talking about it's only brandishing if the muzzle is raised at people so like I said you go ahead and test that theory have a nice life sentence you stupid fuck.

Illegally brandishing a weapon is not a life sentence in any State. In Washington, illegally brandishing a weapon is a gross misdemeanor. Source: RCW

It is YOU that doesn't know what you're talking about.

 

[Into the Night]

There is no evidence that the lockdowns reduced infection rates in fact the least locked down states are having the least amount of cases. Not only that but the lock downs prevented building up a heard immunity allowing for a relapse.

In Washington, over 60% of the infections and 90% of the deaths occurred in nursing homes, not the general public; yet it was the general public that was locked down.
BTW, these nursing homes are facing a motherload of lawsuits.

 

[Mason Michaels]

To never trust a lying POS. Amirite, M. V. Mason/Miss Margot Frank/Anne Frank?

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