What do Nazi and Confederate Flags have to do with ending the lockdown?

We know that North Carolina has less than 2000 cases.



As Speaker of the House her stage is always the national stage. Furthermore; there is no evidence whatsoever that the lockdown had any effect, in fact the latest figures from NYC show that 66% of deaths were people in non-essential professions. The lower infection rates in California is likely due to the coronavirus getting here much earlier than the official account during the two months of the CCP/WHO coverup creating a herd immunity and deaths from coronavirus were misdiagnosed as common pneumonia and the flu. This isn't just speculation anymore either, the newest figures from California from the anti-body testing which diagnoses recovered patients as well not just those who are currently infected, shows that it was way more widespread than previously thought and has caused the morbidity rates to plummet to something like .18%.

What the hell are you talking about millions of Chinese nationals visit their families every year and vice versa.




No, you just lied through ommission, standard flu tests worked for the swine flu and so did standard flu vaccines so we already had stockpiles of both and didn't need to develop and mass produce them from scratch.[/QUOTE]

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Nazis were Socialists, an undeniable fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Trust

Councils of Trust (German: Vertrauensräte) were established in businesses and companies with more than 20 employees in Nazi Germany following the introduction of the Labour organization law of 20 January 1934. They served as the only representation of employees to the “factory leader” (i.e. entrepreneur) (Betriebsführer) in order to increase mutual trust within the factory community.[1] Councillors were elected by secret ballots, but the list of candidates was prepared by the factory leader and the German Labour Front overseer (Betriebsobmann). The councils did not play an active role in industrial relations, except to serve as a platform for discussing working conditions regulated in the “factory code of rules” (Betriebsordnung).[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Labour_Front

ts leader was Robert Ley, who stated that its aim was 'to create a true social and productive community'.[1] Theoretically, the DAF existed to act as a medium through which workers and owners could mutually represent their interests. Wages were set by the 12 DAF trustees. The employees were given relatively high set wages and security of employment, and dismissal was increasingly made difficult. Social security and leisure programmes were started, canteens, breaks, and regular working times were established, and German workers were generally satisfied by what the DAF gave them in repayment for their absolute loyalty.[citation needed]

Following the National Socialist’s Volksgemeinschaft approach towards developing a greater "people's community", the DAF expanded or established new social, educational, sports, health, and entertainment programs for German workers via the Strength through Joy, which included factory libraries and gardens, swimming pools, low-priced hot meals, adult education programs, periodic work breaks, physical education, sports facilities, gymnastic training, orchestral music during lunch breaks, free tickets to concerts and opera, and subsidized vacations that saw over 10.3 million Germans signed up by 1938.[2] The DAF financed the building of ocean-going vessels that permitted German workers to pay minimal prices to sail to many foreign destinations. Up to six ocean liners were operating just before the start of World War II. According to the chief of the Associated Press in Berlin, Louis P. Lochner, ticket prices for ocean steamer vessels ranged from twelve to sixteen marks for "a full week on such a steamer".[3] For those who desired vacations closer to home, the DAF constructed spa and summer resort complexes. The most ambitious was the 4.5 km long Prora complex on Rugen island, which was to have 20,000 beds, and would have been the largest beach resort in the world. It was never completed and the massive complex largely remained an empty shell right through until the 21st century.[3][4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winterhilfswerk

The Winterhilfswerk des Deutschen Volkes (English: Winter Relief of the German People), commonly known by its abbreviated form Winterhilfswerk (WHW), was an annual drive by the National Socialist People's Welfare (German: Nationalsozialistische Volkswohlfahrt) to help finance charitable work. Its slogan was "None shall starve or freeze". The drive was originally set up under the government of Heinrich Brüning in 1931, though Adolf Hitler would later claim sole credit.[1] It ran from 1933–1945 during the months of October through March and was designed to provide food, clothing, coal and other items to less fortunate Germans during the inclement months.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksgemeinschaft

Upon rising to power in 1933, the Nazis sought to gain support of various elements of society. Their concept of Volksgemeinschaft was racially unified and organized hierarchically.[11] This involved a mystical unity, a form of racial soul uniting all Germans,[12] including those living abroad.[13] Nevertheless, this soul was regarded as related to the land, in the doctrine of "blood and soil".[12] Indeed, one reason for "blood and soil" was the belief that landowner and peasant lived in an organic harmony.[14] Aryan Germans who had sexual relations with non-Germanics were excluded from the people's community.[15]

The Nazis solidified support amongst nationalists and conservatives by presenting themselves as allied with President Paul von Hindenburg who was considered a war hero of World War I in Germany.[16] The Nazis sought to gain support of workers by declaring May Day, a day celebrated by organized labour, to be a paid holiday and held celebrations on 1 May 1933 to honour German workers.[17] The Nazis stressed that Germany must honour its workers.[18] Hitler often praised the virtues of labor, declaring in Völkischer Beobachter that "I only acknowledge one nobility—that of labour."[19]
 
I don't care what you see the fact remains that all reporting says we have flattened the curve.

Flattening the curve accepts the same number of cases, just not all at once. The area under the curve stays the same, but it is lower, and longer. So rather than having 200 million cases in three months, we have 200 million cases in 36 months... But that requires us to keep in lockdown for 3 years. Can we survive that?

So plan two, we could get all the testing capacity in place, and then all the contact tracing in place, and then slowly switch lockdown for hardcore contact tracing... But we have barely started on either.

And even beyond that, we flattened the curve in NYC, but what happens when if we have a sudden rise in say Florida? We could end up with a new much higher plateau.
 
Nazis were Socialists, an undeniable fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Trust

Councils of Trust (German: Vertrauensräte) were established in businesses and companies with more than 20 employees in Nazi Germany following the introduction of the Labour organization law of 20 January 1934. They served as the only representation of employees to the “factory leader” (i.e. entrepreneur) (Betriebsführer) in order to increase mutual trust within the factory community.[1] Councillors were elected by secret ballots, but the list of candidates was prepared by the factory leader and the German Labour Front overseer (Betriebsobmann). The councils did not play an active role in industrial relations, except to serve as a platform for discussing working conditions regulated in the “factory code of rules” (Betriebsordnung).[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Labour_Front

ts leader was Robert Ley, who stated that its aim was 'to create a true social and productive community'.[1] Theoretically, the DAF existed to act as a medium through which workers and owners could mutually represent their interests. Wages were set by the 12 DAF trustees. The employees were given relatively high set wages and security of employment, and dismissal was increasingly made difficult. Social security and leisure programmes were started, canteens, breaks, and regular working times were established, and German workers were generally satisfied by what the DAF gave them in repayment for their absolute loyalty.[citation needed]

Following the National Socialist’s Volksgemeinschaft approach towards developing a greater "people's community", the DAF expanded or established new social, educational, sports, health, and entertainment programs for German workers via the Strength through Joy, which included factory libraries and gardens, swimming pools, low-priced hot meals, adult education programs, periodic work breaks, physical education, sports facilities, gymnastic training, orchestral music during lunch breaks, free tickets to concerts and opera, and subsidized vacations that saw over 10.3 million Germans signed up by 1938.[2] The DAF financed the building of ocean-going vessels that permitted German workers to pay minimal prices to sail to many foreign destinations. Up to six ocean liners were operating just before the start of World War II. According to the chief of the Associated Press in Berlin, Louis P. Lochner, ticket prices for ocean steamer vessels ranged from twelve to sixteen marks for "a full week on such a steamer".[3] For those who desired vacations closer to home, the DAF constructed spa and summer resort complexes. The most ambitious was the 4.5 km long Prora complex on Rugen island, which was to have 20,000 beds, and would have been the largest beach resort in the world. It was never completed and the massive complex largely remained an empty shell right through until the 21st century.[3][4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winterhilfswerk

The Winterhilfswerk des Deutschen Volkes (English: Winter Relief of the German People), commonly known by its abbreviated form Winterhilfswerk (WHW), was an annual drive by the National Socialist People's Welfare (German: Nationalsozialistische Volkswohlfahrt) to help finance charitable work. Its slogan was "None shall starve or freeze". The drive was originally set up under the government of Heinrich Brüning in 1931, though Adolf Hitler would later claim sole credit.[1] It ran from 1933–1945 during the months of October through March and was designed to provide food, clothing, coal and other items to less fortunate Germans during the inclement months.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksgemeinschaft

Upon rising to power in 1933, the Nazis sought to gain support of various elements of society. Their concept of Volksgemeinschaft was racially unified and organized hierarchically.[11] This involved a mystical unity, a form of racial soul uniting all Germans,[12] including those living abroad.[13] Nevertheless, this soul was regarded as related to the land, in the doctrine of "blood and soil".[12] Indeed, one reason for "blood and soil" was the belief that landowner and peasant lived in an organic harmony.[14] Aryan Germans who had sexual relations with non-Germanics were excluded from the people's community.[15]

The Nazis solidified support amongst nationalists and conservatives by presenting themselves as allied with President Paul von Hindenburg who was considered a war hero of World War I in Germany.[16] The Nazis sought to gain support of workers by declaring May Day, a day celebrated by organized labour, to be a paid holiday and held celebrations on 1 May 1933 to honour German workers.[17] The Nazis stressed that Germany must honour its workers.[18] Hitler often praised the virtues of labor, declaring in Völkischer Beobachter that "I only acknowledge one nobility—that of labour."[19]

What you copied and pasted describes fascism, not socialism.
 
How many Neo-Nazi members are in the USA?

Something in the few thousands?

Certainly not very worrysome.

I have seen almost a dozen members of this very forum talk about turning "Jew York" into a giant concentration camp and killing all the "non-American" Americans in it. Genocide is becoming very acceptable to propose among about 20% of Americans.

How many of them will carry through? That was always the question with the Germans. They were very law abiding people, and it would take huge shocks for them to actually commit a mass genocide... Which did actually happen.

I can not imagine Bush allowing someone to walk around the White House with a Nazi pin on, or say Neo-Nazis are "very fine people". trump did all that, and that was before the huge shock of Covid-19. Now him and his supporters are really looking for someone to persecute, and it is going to get far more ugly.

But lets restrict it to only a "few thousand". Al Qaeda killed 3,000 people with only 19 people. At that kill ratio, one thousand terrorists could kill more than 50,000 Americans. We could be fighting Vietnam, except in America with American civilians dying.

We are looking at some very ugly possible futures here.
 
Fascism is a form of Socialism.

Oy vey, then so is every single government.

This is what I mean when I say you have the low-standard compulsion to strive for the lowest common denominator because that's the only way you can process complex things; by reducing them down to the point where any distinctions and differences are lost entirely.

I bet you think apples and oranges are the same thing because they're both fruit.
 
I have seen almost a dozen members of this very forum talk about turning "Jew York" into a giant concentration camp and killing all the "non-American" Americans in it. Genocide is becoming very acceptable to propose among about 20% of Americans.

How many of them will carry through? That was always the question with the Germans. They were very law abiding people, and it would take huge shocks for them to actually commit a mass genocide... Which did actually happen.

I can not imagine Bush allowing someone to walk around the White House with a Nazi pin on, or say Neo-Nazis are "very fine people". trump did all that, and that was before the huge shock of Covid-19. Now him and his supporters are really looking for someone to persecute, and it is going to get far more ugly.

But lets restrict it to only a "few thousand". Al Qaeda killed 3,000 people with only 19 people. At that kill ratio, one thousand terrorists could kill more than 50,000 Americans. We could be fighting Vietnam, except in America with American civilians dying.

We are looking at some very ugly possible futures here.

Yes, and it's because no one called the Nazis' bluff. Bush the Dumber didn't. Obama didn't. No one did.

Just once, I would like someone to call their bluff. They show up armed to a protest, have the cops open fire on them like they did to the people in Ferguson.
 
You can say that as many times as you want, it will not become reality. South Korea and Germany both used half a million tests each in the first month.

I highly doubt that considering that South Korea has only done 640,959 tests total.

trump had only 147 in the first month. The UK, which was very slow, had almost a thousand times as many, at 100,000 tests. During the Swine Flu, Obama gave a million tests to Americans, and sold another million tests to foreign countries.

Under trump something went VERY WRONG for the first month of testing. There was no record time, unless you mean a record bad timing.

Where are your sources for these statistics, when are you starting that first month at? By the first reported case in the respective country or by the same date for all countries?

Your statistic for Obama is a lie through omission as standard flu tests worked for the swine flu and not need to be developed and mass produced from scratch the same goes for the vaccine.
There are about a dozen different types of vaccines being developed by a few hundred different groups. They are all working at record pace, but there is no reason to believe any will work. We have been working on a vaccine for HIV for 40 years, and have gotten nowhere.

HIV is not even remotely similar to the Coronavirus, vaccines are designed to boost immune systems by using weakened viruses to initiate antibody production, the problem with developing an HIV vaccine is that it attacks the immune system itself. You don't die from AIDs you die from the common cold because you have no immune system.

When (if) it does get developed by some of those groups, they will most likely have to go to India for production. India is the nation with the most spare capacity for vaccine production. It is a loss making industry, and trump cut its final taxpayer subsidies, so it is not an American industry.

Source? So now you want to subsidize the pharmaceutical industry?

The world became worried that India might move all their citizens to the front of the line, so came together in the G-20 to try to make sure they distributed the vaccine fairly. Whoever the trump appointee at the State Department was wanted to stress in all these meetings her opposition to vaccines. Unfortunately, trump appointed an anti-vaxxer to this important negotiation. So they started calling it informally the G-19, because the USA was excluded from conference calls.

The G-20(or G-19) decided to hand off the distribution question to the WHO with the one demand that Taiwan be treated as a member when it came to vaccine distribution. That is the good news. The bad news is trump reacted by taking us out of the WHO. There does not seem to be any good news with trump.

We did not exit the WHO we stopped funding it because they are a wholly owned subsidiary of the CCP.

NYC did have a ventilator shortage, and had to hook up one ventilator to multiple patients. That is only done when there is a shortage of ventilators.

There were no ventilator shortages:

The Ventilator Shortage That Wasn’t
By KYLE SMITH
April 17, 2020 5:26 PM



https://www.nationalreview.com/2020...s-ventilator-shortages-have-not-come-to-pass/



So far, we have kept the spread of Covid-19 slow due to lockdowns, but that is coming to two ends. It is expanding outside the hubs, so will be exploding, and the lockdowns are being loosened. I cannot promise that we will have national ventilator shortages, but it certainly is possible.

There is no evidence that the lock downs has had any effect whatsoever..
 
:palm: I know that. Dark Soul posted it as genuine with that quote and got humiliated when the hoax was exposed. He was so butthurt that he begged a mod to delete the thread.

If Bill Clinton was a decade younger, I could picture him being really into Lynyrd Skynyrd, and having a Confederate Flag. Of course Clinton was not a decade younger, so it was not possible for him to have a Confederate Flag (given his age and demographic). Given where Hillary Clinton came from, it would be virtually impossible that she would have a Confederate Flag. I cannot see Obama, or trump having Confederate Flags... Well not trump senior, trump junior might.
 
I almost completely agree with Flash. The police should not shoot people who are members of a Nazi group, or any other terrorist supporting group. For the most part, I would even say it is legal to be a Nazi, as long as they do not directly support the terrorism. Even if they directly support, or even are a terrorists, the police should try to arrest them, not kill them without a trial. Only when there are no other reasonable options should killing terrorists happen. Letting the terrorists blow up a school bus is not a reasonable option.

Now the US Army is a completely other matter. If there is an actual war, they can, and will kill anyone in an enemy uniform who is not obviously and immediately surrendering. If the US Army came across some Confederates soldiers during the Civil War, they would be killed if they did not surrender quickly. If the Alt Right actually starts the war they say they want to, it will be legally acceptable to kill every idiot one of them in an enemy uniform.

Something for the Alt Right to think about before taking up arms against the US Government.

Agreed, Walt. That is just basic law. A person can even advocate the violent overthrow of the government and the genocide of any group. That is free speech. They just cannot take any action toward conspiring to do so or taking any violent actions.

And, let's face it, most extreme left and right wing groups spend most of their time sitting around talking about this stuff. Very few have actually committed illegal acts.
 
Flattening the curve accepts the same number of cases, just not all at once. The area under the curve stays the same, but it is lower, and longer. So rather than having 200 million cases in three months, we have 200 million cases in 36 months... But that requires us to keep in lockdown for 3 years. Can we survive that?

So plan two, we could get all the testing capacity in place, and then all the contact tracing in place, and then slowly switch lockdown for hardcore contact tracing... But we have barely started on either.

And even beyond that, we flattened the curve in NYC, but what happens when if we have a sudden rise in say Florida? We could end up with a new much higher plateau.

The entire point of the lockdown was to flatten the curve in order to buy time to mass produce and distribute tests (which we have done) and to develop a vaccine (which we are doing) the number of new cases is in decline as well.
 
Why just "Gorka"
What about another Hungarian born person, the Globalist Jew George Soros, why does he get to stay here?

Gorka certainly doesn't have the power Soros does.

And we get back to the point that Judaism is thrust on Jews, not a choice. Soros was never religiously a Jew, and yet because his ancestors were Jewish, he is a Jew.

Soros has never joined an anti-American group, and did not have to lie to get US citizenship. It is illegal to be a member of Vitezi Rend and to get US citizenship, so Gorka had to lie to get US citizenship. Materially lying to get citizenship is a denaturalizing situation.
 
There's a difference between brandishing and open carrying brandishing means pointing the weapon at people in a threatening and offensive manner so go ahead and test that theory you stupid fuck.

When you openly carry a weapon, you have to be very careful not to be threatening, which means you cannot protest.

If you are not armed, you can scream that you want the "governor out or else..." If you are carrying a weapon obviously, the "or else" is assumed to involve murder.
 

Not a cohesive group. Most of the American members are under age 15.

Al Qaeda, ISIS

Neither have agency in the USA. I know this because both would love to strike at the USA, but neither have been able to in a long while.


Has not targeted reasonable Americans. Any group that is looking for a fight is dangerous, but they have only targeted the Neo-Nazis/Alt Right, and have only done it some of the time. Most of the time the Neo-Nazis/Alt Right have been alone to create violence.

Black Lives Matters

Mostly peaceful with reasonable goals. They sometimes go to far and become violent, but that has not risen to the level of terrorism.

Mexican Cartels, the Mexican Mafia, the Bloods & Crips, the Latin Kings, The Jewish Defense League, the Albanian Mob, the Chinese gangs, the Italian Mob, the Russian Mafia too which worse member in the USA was Jew Ludwig Fainberg.

All drug dealing gangs who would not want terrorism disrupting their drug dealing. The drugs the deal do damage to America, but it is a different damage than terrorism.
 
Nazi regalia and Confederate flags are expressions of treason and thus not protected by the 1st Amendment.

Completely untrue. Any flag or uniform is protected free expression. I challenge you to show us any prosecution of anybody waving a flag or wearing a uniform.

There is no law prohibiting "expressions of treason." Treason is giving aid and comfort to the enemy in time of war. There is no enemy to comfort or war.

If you remember the Skokie, Ill case in the 1970s the Nazi party wanted to march through the town wearing Nazi uniforms and carrying swastikas. The town of 70,000 had 40,000 Jews and supposedly the largest number of Holocaust survivors outside Israel. The town denied the permit because of threatened violence against the marchers by town residents. The ACLU took up their case and the court injunction against the march was thrown out. The Nazis ended up marching in Chicago, instead. A group of 20 Nazis an 2,000 counter protestors.

But the point is that they had the right to march with uniforms and swastikas.

1. The Illinois Supreme Court's order is a final judgment for purposes of this Court's jurisdiction, since it finally determined the merits of petitioners' claim that the injunction will deprive them of First Amendment rights during the period of appellate review.

2. The State must allow a stay where procedural safeguards, including immediate appellate review, are not provided, and the Illinois Supreme Court's order denied this right.
 
The usual paranoia that seems to be a necessary accompaniment to TDS (the deranged worship of Trump).

Nothing paranoid about giving everybody their constitutional rights. You would have to talk to Trump supporters to determine that exact question.
 
We don't hate freedom of expression. We hate treason. Nazis and the Klan are all traitors, as are all who support them.

You have no clue about the meaning of treason. You can't be a traitor because of your political beliefs.

The Rosenbergs who were executed for giving secrets to the Soviet Union were not even tried for treason.
 
The Nazis were Socialists

No, the Nazis were against the socialists. They had the same root word, but that is like saying a calculator is made of calcium, because they have the same Latin root.

In German, it would be Nationalsozialismus, one word. Both socialism and Nationalsozialismus use the Latin socius which means allies, companions, or in these cases a common team. Where it differs is what that common team is for. Nationalsozialismus is where the common team works for the nation in a political/government arena. Socialism is where the common team works together for the economy in the economic realm. Nazism is a system of government, whereas socialism is a system of economics.

Nationalsozialismus being one word meant it was not a type of socialism, but rather a word using socius as a root.

They didn't necessarily come for Jews first.

They actually came for the communists first, and then the socialists. They claimed that the Jews were behind both, so came for the Jews right after those two.

The Polish Catholic POW's ended up in Auschwitz before Jews.

Sort of. It is more complex than you make it sound. Auschwitz was first a "quarantine camp". The first prisoners sent there were German common criminals who were prisoners, but also internal guards. The next group of prisoners sent there were Polish intelligentsia. They were not POWs, and almost half of them were Jewish. They were sent there because they were intelligent capable Poles, not because they were Catholic or Jewish. They were mostly not in the military, and were not given any military honors. A "quarantine camp" is where the Germans sent people while they decided what to do with them. Most of them were sent to Germany for killing, but some were released, and few ended up dying in the camp.

The Nazis first started exterminating people with a test group of Soviet POWs. They were used because they were already being held and transported. They were used only as a test for the Jews who were going to be exterminated there. At that point Auschwitz went from a "quarantine camp" to a "concentration camp"(really an extermination camp). Most new arrivals lived for less than an hour. It was originally meant for Jews, but they had no problem adding anyone else who caused them problems, or that they did not want in their future Germany.
 
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