China, China, China,

archives said:
Trump, as the head of the Gov't, is responsible for its Depaetments, he appointed the Department heads

It "bubbled" way beyond his level, you had Governor's on live TV begging for the change weeks before the FDA made the switch, and now, with the immunity tests, there are twelve official sites and scores of less credible services flooding the market, lack of oversight

And it is not a question of federalism, you don't fight, as Trump calls it, a war, under the guidelines of federalism, we aren't a confederacy, it is the Federal Gov't's job, the "war general's" responsibility, when the US is attacked, the Federal Gov't leads the fight
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federalism isn't a "confederacy" -it's the separation of power at the federal level and the "balance of powers"
at the State and National level - -you should look at the 10th


Fed's led the way with national guidelines -so indeed the feds are leading. But you don't want the states to contribute - thinking that even state contracts are somehow deleterious -they are not.
They are another avenue to buy stuff.

I've gone over this again an again. if you relax testing guidelines you are gonna get lax quality tests in some cases/ not that I think this is a problem as more and more real quality tests are coming out every day.
We've done 6,000,000 + -no other country comes close to that amount
 
TTQ64 said:
No he didn't liar.It came from Europe not China.
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dumb ass

How America was hit with COVID-19 from two continents: Majority of cases in US epicenter New York came from Europe - but a DIFFERENT strain spread from China to the West Coast, genome studies reveal
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...-COVID-19-two-continents-studies-suggest.html
In an effort to understand how COVID-19 spread around the globe, several studies have analyzed the genomes of coronavirus found in patients
A Cambridge University study identified three distinct strains that have dominated various parts of the world
Researchers in New York found that most people in hard-hit NYC have a strain that has dominated in Europe
That strain likely arrived first and has become dominant in the US after travel from China was banned long before travel from Europe was blocked
Genome analysis suggests that a different strain infected people in Washington state, where the first patient in the US was identified

 
archives said:
Forget the banned flights, see that all the time from Trump defenders as if it were a game changer, the virus was already here when he banned flights, and the only ones being banned were Chinese citizens, anyone else could, and still can today, travel to the US from China

And Trump was "poo pooing" the pandemic up until the Middle of March
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IT"S A NUMBERS GAME.
THE SAME REASON the FLORIDA GOVERNOR BANNED FLIGHTS FROM NY to FLORIDA even though corona
was "already here"
 
Hello dukkha,

dukkha said:
Trump jawboned and cajoled various manufacturers to switch over and make masks and other PPE.

He even used the Defense Production Act to force 3M not to ship PPE overseas.
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After wasting precious weeks of time in denials, DT finally did the right thing only after Biden publicly urged him to.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello dukkha,



After wasting precious weeks of time in denials, DT finally did the right thing only after Biden publicly urged him to.
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no. he had already used the DPA for 3M.

Biden was mindlessly calling for extensive use -not a good idea. Much better to jawbone and cajole manufactures
who can diversify -but not for all manufacturers as a DPA order would require
 
Hello dukkha,

dukkha said:
no. he had already used the DPA for 3M.

Biden was mindlessly calling for extensive use -not a good idea. Much better to jawbone and cajole manufactures
who can diversify -but not for all manufacturers as a DPA order would require
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We perceive the situation differently, per our political preferences.

I watch main stream news, mainly non-commercial.

My news doesn't have to make a profit, not under pressure to sell advertising to the least common denominator.
 
archives said:
You actually admit to being a Sargent in the Air Force as if it really is something? Soft service, get your elbows in the dirt like a grunt and then you can boast being an EO
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I could just be a loser SJW, like you, and just go on hating America, and loving its communist rival of the day.

Funny thing, I always thought Archives was a Legion account, because of his posting style, and Legion is the only poster to have talked smack about me being an NCO...
 
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LOOK! OVER THERE! SHINY!

If you think for one second that the American Majority are going to fall for that one- YOU ARE AS LOONY AS A BETSY BUG!

This is an Internal Affair!

Guess where the Buck Stops?
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello dukkha,



We perceive the situation differently, per our political preferences.

I watch main stream news, mainly non-commercial.

My news doesn't have to make a profit, not under pressure to sell advertising to the least common denominator.
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Not based on political differences based on facts. why should they be able to dismiss facts because of a political difference?
 
TSgt said:
I could just be a loser SJW, like you, and just go on hating America, and loving its communist rival of the day.

Funny thing, I always thought Archives was a Legion account, because of his posting style, and Legion is the only poster to have talked smack about me being an NCO...
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Not being an NCO, but being an NCO in the Air Force, not exactly the same experience as being a grunt
 
dukkha said:
federalism isn't a "confederacy" -it's the separation of power at the federal level and the "balance of powers"
at the State and National level - -you should look at the 10th


Fed's led the way with national guidelines -so indeed the feds are leading. But you don't want the states to contribute - thinking that even state contracts are somehow deleterious -they are not.
They are another avenue to buy stuff.

I've gone over this again an again. if you relax testing guidelines you are gonna get lax quality tests in some cases/ not that I think this is a problem as more and more real quality tests are coming out every day.
We've done 6,000,000 + -no other country comes close to that amount
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Federalism doesn't relate nor is applicable in fighting a war, an attack upon the United States, as Trump himself declared it, labeling himself the "war general." Leadership doesn't play semantical games over who is responsible for what when the country is attacked, it acts, the top level leadership taking the reigns. Did Bush tell NY, PA, and DC that 9/11 was their problem and that he'd help them out when they needed it? Did Obama do the same during the Great Recession?

What "national guidelines?" Your own your own to get what you need even if you got to pay dollar for it competing with each other and even the Feds? We're those the "guidelines?" What you are refusing to accept is the fact that the individual States can't come close to the potential and capacity of the Federal Gov't in spending power, Trump should have been leading the way rather than saying we'll help you out if needed

And the US has not done six million tests, and per capita based upon population, we lag behind, completing only 200,000 a day
 
BartenderElite said:
It's wild how you can see Trump's strategy unfold. Of course, China needs to be held accountable for their part in it. But over the past week or so, it's obvious Trump has seen the scrutiny shift to his inaction in February, and how costly that was.

It's a very clear shift in his rhetoric, and that of his admin - we have to pin this on China. The whole thing. Trump's whole career has been based on blaming others.
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:hand:
 
archives said:
Where did anyone give China a pass?

Point being why in the middle of a pandemic is the White House and Administration wasting tinme and energy going after China? Making China a central part of their addressing the pandemic? How does it help in testing? in opening up the economy?

It is a scapegoat, someone for you and the like to blame, couldn't be anymore obvious, Americans don't want blame, they want direct and leadership
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:|

So sad & so true..............
 
archives said:
For real?

The two month delay in aggressively addressing the pandemic as for example South Korea did, remember Trump told us in March "he knew it was a pandemic before if was a pandemic," yet portrayed it in January and February as of little concern, he had under control, contained. And please, spare us the banning bullshit

The whole debacle over testing, first they didn't have it, then they didn't have enough, then it didn't work, and even today it is still an embarrassment. When the State of Maryland has to literally smuggle testing equipment in from South Korea and then hide it from Trump tells you all isn't right. Testing is the key to reopening, and it is still deficient five months later

Leadership, we got individual States competing against each other, foreign nations, and even the Federal Gov't to acquire needed resources to fight the pandemic and Trump refuses to use the powers of the Federal Gov't to organize and lead the effort

And let us not forget Trump's nearly daily fabrications and mixed messages. Americans look to a Presidemt for facts and information in a time of crisis, and with Trump they get inanity, personal attacks, and self congratulating boasting

Should I continue?

As I said, China, China, China is a pure deflection
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Pls don't list them all or we'll be here all day scrolling through this thread......
 
Yes, the C H I N E S E are to blame.

They must be held accountable.

There would be no pandemic had the Chinese contained the virus from China.

Indeed.
 
Earl said:
Yes, the C H I N E S E are to blame.

They must be held accountable.

There would be no pandemic had the Chinese contained the virus from China.

Indeed.
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Did I miss your punishments list for China?? Pls, be specific..
 
archives said:
Forget the banned flights, see that all the time from Trump defenders as if it were a game changer, the virus was already here when he banned flights, and the only ones being banned were Chinese citizens, anyone else could, and still can today, travel to the US from China

And Trump was "poo pooing" the pandemic up until the Middle of March
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Trump declared a National Health Emergency on January 31st before there were any deaths. Stop being such a lying cunt all the time. It's repugnant.

Meanwhile, Democrats were still trying to impeach him. They really had their eye on the Covid ball. As late as February 24th Pelosi was making light of it all. :palm:
 
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