Shocking absolutely no one...

LV426 said:
Anti-malarial drug Drumpf touted is linked to higher rates of death in VA coronavirus patients, study says
Patients treated with hydroxychloroquine and an antibiotic combination received no benefit in rates of death or in use of a ventilator
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...tes-death-va-coronavirus-patients-study-says/
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did he tell people to run down to Chinatown?

you idiots are looking the wrong direction - those you elected were complete morons when this went down

when times are tough you fucking shit stains continue to play identity politics. you are the problem - not the solution

so shut up dumb fuck
 
dukkha said:
That recession has been predicted by your ilk since before Trump took office -never happened and never would have without COVID
done with this..wage growth was higher under Trump, and more importantly skewed to lower incomes

GDP rose from the end of the Obama POTUS going into the Trump POTUS
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So, first of all, your wage growth chart proves my point...that wage growth during Obama's last three years was better than Trump's. That's not me, that's what your chart shows.

Secondly, you have yet to hit your 3% growth promise, and posting GDP growth by quarter also shows that to be true.

Thirdly, revenue declined by 1.3% over two years, and the deficit is now back to $1T, almost as high as the last deficit a Republican President left behind.

Fourthly, Obama's best annual GDP growth (2.88% in 2015) and best quarterly growth (5.5% in Q2 2014) have yet to be eclipsed by Trump's numbers, even after the tax cut that you promised would do so.

So I'm not sure why you think posting these numbers helps your case, when all it does is show that Obama handed Trump a strong economy that he squandered.
 
dukkha said:
your gross lack of understanding of medicine, clinical trial, case results and treatment variables makes you unfit to comment
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LMAO! You were saying this thing was a miracle cure a month ago before any of these trials happened.
 
LV426 said:
LMAO!

"I'm not promoting the thing I'm promoting" is a helluva way to avoid responsibility for your actions.
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so you can't find the quote?

I didn't think so. You made the accusation, it is up to you to prove your accusation. I will give you no further accommodation until you are able to prove your claim.
 
Teflon Don said:
so you can't find the quote?

I didn't think so. You made the accusation, it is up to you to prove your accusation. I will give you no further accommodation until you are able to prove your claim.
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Then why have you been talking about it this whole time if you didn't think it was some kind of miracle cure?
 
LV426 said:
Then why have you been talking about it this whole time if you didn't think it was some kind of miracle cure?
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hey moron - you are following a red herring

The president was trying to calm markets - and using optimism to allay hears

keep tilting at windmills moron :rofl2:
 
The largest trial so far found that the drug had no positive impacts on Corona and had negative side effects. That would not make me want to take it. A test in France was cut short because the people taking it were dying from heart attacks at high rates. Trump , who knows zero about healthcare and Pharm, is not qualified to make such a decision. He did it to look like he was doing something. He wanted people to feel good. That is not his function. He is supposed to obtain info from qualified professionals. He ignores them.
 
LV426 said:
Then why have you been talking about it this whole time if you didn't think it was some kind of miracle cure?
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because in a certain subset of patients with infections this has shown phenomenal outcomes

you are a limited thinker and live in a binary world. You understand nothing about pharmacology, pathophysiology, biochemistry or anything healthcare related.

Your only reason for being is Orange Man Bad. If the former half black President had said he took hydroxychloroquine and it worked you would be spreading it on your morning toast.

Discussing the drug doesn't mean one thinks it is a "miracle" cure. I take this post as an admission you found no quotes of me claiming it is a miracle cure and that it is a concession on your part. I humbly accept
 
Teflon Don said:
because in a certain subset of patients with infections this has shown phenomenal outcomes

you are a limited thinker and live in a binary world. You understand nothing about pharmacology, pathophysiology, biochemistry or anything healthcare related.

Your only reason for being is Orange Man Bad. If the former half black President had said he took hydroxychloroquine and it worked you would be spreading it on your morning toast.

Discussing the drug doesn't mean one thinks it is a "miracle" cure. I take this post as an admission you found no quotes of me claiming it is a miracle cure and that it is a concession on your part. I humbly accept
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No, they really haven't. It's all anecdotal and none of it is within the context of the studies happening now. The one study we do have, from the VA, shows it doesn't help and may actually make things worse.

You can just say you were wrong, you know.

And if you didn't think it was some kind of miracle, then why have you been pushing it for more than a month????
 
LV426 said:
No, they really haven't. It's all anecdotal and none of it is within the context of the studies happening now. The one study we do have, from the VA, shows it doesn't help and may actually make things worse.

You can just say you were wrong, you know.

And if you didn't think it was some kind of miracle, then why have you been pushing it for more than a month????
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I see you are backtracking tremendously. Again, find one post of mine "pushing it". I have done no such thing. All I have said is that there is anecdotal evidence to show that in certain patient populations it works. I have told you before and I will tell you again. The reason it may work is unrelated to the virus itself. Which may explain why where was no effect on that VA population.

Additionally, the VA study you reference was an observational study, which is the lowest level of evidence that is acceptable. I put no more stock in it than any other anecdotal data. You might want to inform yourself on the types of medical research that can be conducted and how it can be used to generate evidence.

FTR there are no randomized controlled clinical trials showing hydroxychloroquine is effective in lupus but people use it.

I see that you are backtracking on your statements. Maybe you have gone back and looked and can't find any quotes of me calling it a miracle drug so you are moving the goalpost? It is ok for you to admit you are wrong. Maybe you should take the time to learn why hydroxychloroquine is effective in certain patient populations with infections. Again, it is unrelated to the virus itself. I have given you the path forward to actually educate yourself. What you do with that is up to you. If you choose to remain woefully ignorant than I cannot help you
 
Teflon Don said:
All I have said is that there is anecdotal evidence to show that in certain patient populations it works.
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This is the problem.

You ran with a rumor and now that it's not showing any clear evidence of success, you are backtracking on your personal thoughts around the efficacy of it.

It doesn't. Fucking. Work. That's what the VA just said. Read the OP. Wasting time and effort on this takes effort and resources away from actual treatments and vaccines.
 
LV426 said:
This is the problem.

You ran with a rumor and now that it's not showing any clear evidence of success, you are backtracking on your personal thoughts around the efficacy of it.

It doesn't. Fucking. Work. That's what the VA just said. Read the OP. Wasting time and effort on this takes effort and resources away from actual treatments and vaccines.
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Have you ever admitted you were wrong? What do you feel you have to lie and distort what others say? Is your argument that weak? Are you that insecure?

If you can't produce a quote of me "running with a rumor" then you fail. You have backtracked off of your initial claim of saying I called this a miracle cure and now you expect accommodation from me? It doesn't work that way

For the last time. There are patients with infections for which hydroxychoroquine does work. It is not a myth. Like all treatments it has to be tailored. I don't think it should be given to EVERY patient, but there are subsets who will benefit. Of that there is no doubt.

Of course it would require you to be curious and educate yourself which you refuse to do. You have painted yourself into a corner where anything Trump says has to be wrong so you seek out any data to support your inherent bias. It is weak sauce and you know it.

BTW

This VA study is not the definitive answer to this question. Anyone who thinks it is has other motives and those motives have nothing to do with whether patients get better or not
 
LV426 said:
About 40% of voters, unfortunately. I still don't think we are going to have elections in November. I think Trump is going to try and use the second wave as the reason to cancel them. That's why he wants to open everything back up...he wants there to be a second surge so he can invoke emergency powers to cancel the election out of "safety". And he has a subservient GOP to protect him when he does. After all, they wouldn't remove him for committing treason in order to rig the 2020 election, so they'll stand idly by as he cancels this one because they all know they're toast in November.
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ROFL. Awesome conspiracy theory dude! Reminds me of all those RW nutjobs who said Obama would declare martial law and turn our nation Marxist.
 
Teflon Don said:
Have you ever admitted you were wrong? What do you feel you have to lie and distort what others say? Is your argument that weak? Are you that insecure?

If you can't produce a quote of me "running with a rumor" then you fail. You have backtracked off of your initial claim of saying I called this a miracle cure and now you expect accommodation from me? It doesn't work that way

For the last time. There are patients with infections for which hydroxychoroquine does work. It is not a myth. Like all treatments it has to be tailored. I don't think it should be given to EVERY patient, but there are subsets who will benefit. Of that there is no doubt.

Of course it would require you to be curious and educate yourself which you refuse to do. You have painted yourself into a corner where anything Trump says has to be wrong so you seek out any data to support your inherent bias. It is weak sauce and you know it.

BTW

This VA study is not the definitive answer to this question. Anyone who thinks it is has other motives and those motives have nothing to do with whether patients get better or not
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Wow. Lots of words to say "I was wrong, I got caught up in the rumor mill. My bad."
 
Dutch Uncle said:
ROFL. Awesome conspiracy theory dude! Reminds me of all those RW nutjobs who said Obama would declare martial law and turn our nation Marxist.
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There was no reason for concern in 2016 because there wasn't an epidemic that puts everyone at risk like there is today.
 
LV426 said:
There was no reason for concern in 2016 because there wasn't an epidemic that puts everyone at risk like there is today.
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everyone at risk

:rofl2:

almost nobody is at risk you fucking retard. 2%-3% could overrun hospitals, but 98% of us don't have a risk

god - shut.the.fuck.up.you.are.dumb.as.rocks.
 
LV426 said:
There was no reason for concern in 2016 because there wasn't an epidemic that puts everyone at risk like there is today.
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If you truly believe that's what you think will happen, you should start stocking up on weapons and learning how to use them.
 
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