If social distancing is effective

Hello Darth,

Darth Omar said:
Once every year, I have sit for hours in front of computer as part of education and training. Amongst other things they go over droplet precautions when working with infectious diseases. I can’t tell you how boring that is when you already know what they’re going to say.

And I’ve never heard of a viral respiratory disease being transmitted by breathing lol.

So I googled to see where you got the idea from. Sure enough, they did a study and determined it was *possible* that COVID could be transmitted by breathing via bioaerosols but with the caveat that it was unclear whether it would contain sufficient virus start an infection.

There’s a ‘possible’ coupled with an ‘unclear’.

There’s an important term called ‘viral load’ which is important to understand if you’re going to discuss this—or if journalists are going to report on it. It actually takes a significant number of viruses to start an infection. It’s literally a numbers game. Actual droplets [not aerosols] contain millions if not billions of viruses. This, and not breathing the same air as an infected person, is what people need to be concerned with. People need information—not fear mongering.

Also, droplet risk relates to contact risk because an infected person can wipe their nose or cough in their hand then touch a door knob or etc. That’s the primary way infectious viral diseases spread. The risk from breathing the same air is negligible.
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This post contains a contradiction:

"not breathing the same air as an infected person, is what people need to be concerned with."

I agree.

" The risk from breathing the same air is negligible."

I disagree.

The optimal condition is to avoid breathing from the same air in which another individual has exhaled.

Thanks for the discussion on viral load. I am familiar with this, as I have had extended discussions about covid-19 with healthcare professionals.

Many professionals are required to take ongoing education as a part of their certification to work in certain industries. I know these things can seem boring, but they are important as the information actually does change from time to time. Techniques are improved and the knowledge base is expanded. It is logical that these refresher exercises will contain information already known to the participant. Dedicated professionals understand this is the case, and also understand how important it is to stay current with the latest technology and procedures. Lives could be saved by keeping current on the latest information.

Most people would prefer to have their healthcare administered by professionals who are well trained and current on the latest techniques and precautions, and would not want to think that they are being cared for by workers who learned their jobs 20 years ago and never bothered to learn a single new thing since.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Darth,



This post contains a contradiction:

"not breathing the same air as an infected person, is what people need to be concerned with."

I agree.

" The risk from breathing the same air is negligible."

I disagree.

The optimal condition is to avoid breathing from the same air in which another individual has exhaled.

Thanks for the discussion on viral load. I am familiar with this, as I have had extended discussions about covid-19 with healthcare professionals.

Many professionals are required to take ongoing education as a part of their certification to work in certain industries. I know these things can seem boring, but they are important as the information actually does change from time to time. Techniques are improved and the knowledge base is expanded. It is logical that these refresher exercises will contain information already known to the participant. Dedicated professionals understand this is the case, and also understand how important it is to stay current with the latest technology and procedures. Lives could be saved by keeping current on the latest information.

Most people would prefer to have their healthcare administered by professionals who are well trained and current on the latest techniques and precautions, and would not want to think that they are being cared for by workers who learned their jobs 20 years ago and never bothered to learn a single new thing since.
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There’s a difference between fear mongering based on shakey science and informing people.

Enough people have already had the shit scared out of them by the bogus 2 million death figure.

People: don’t be afraid to leave your house and good outside. Fresh air is good for you. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.
 
Darth Omar said:
But it turned out the curves they’re trying to flatten bore no semblance to reality lol.

We were never going to lose 2 million or even 200 hundred thousand with or without mitigation. I’m not saying SD doesn’t work. I just don’t understand why the numbers aren’t dropping off precipitously—if it does work.
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The problem with the model is they picked the wrong start date. Truth is we probably peaked in Feb or March
 
Legion said:
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RB 60 said:
This virus has spread across our whole country now. Without researching, The GF said (she works at a hospital) that the initial (first) tests took about 5 days to come back. I would assume now that they can pinpoint what they are looking for, test results can be returned much quicker.
It is difficult to determine if SD has been effective since there are no absolutes to base results on. I guess we'll just have to hope it does have an adverse effect on the China virus's spread. I don't think we can statistically show one way or another.

I'd say that criticism is incorrect. We aren't on a "scenic route to herd immunity (whatever that is)." When this all blows over, we'll all get back together with friends, families and go out again...because we can.
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If we are allowed to. Dr. Fow-uchi was talking about immunity card style scarlet letters the other day. Of course, if they try to keep this going too long, they'll likely have civil unrest on their hands.
 
Darth Omar said:
Shouldn’t COVID numbers in NYC and other regions start dropping like a brick?

Like any day now?

If they don’t stop dropping, what does that mean?
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It means that some interaction is still taking place. Some is unavoidable. This stuff is extremely contagious.
 
Darth Omar said:
But it turned out the curves they’re trying to flatten bore no semblance to reality lol.

We were never going to lose 2 million or even 200 hundred thousand with or without mitigation. I’m not saying SD doesn’t work. I just don’t understand why the numbers aren’t dropping off precipitously—if it does work.
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It depends on the R naught, Compliance, and the fact that people are contagious prior to having symptoms and are contagious for 14 days or more.
 
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