Devout CATHOLICS Bishop Biden & Pope Pelosi - have Dem voters found religion?

John Kerry, a Catholic who was the DEMOCRAT presidential nominee loser in 2004 , provoked stormy debate in Catholic circles about whether or not a pro-abortion rights politician should be able to receive Holy Communion, a key sacrament of the faith.

Several bishops said they would not give him communion and Fox News staked out churches where he'd attended Mass to see if he received.

In June 2004, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger — later Pope Benedict XVI — wrote to American bishops restating the Church position that a priest must refuse to distribute communion to a Catholic politician who supported abortion rights.


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Legion said:
John Kerry, a Catholic who was the DEMOCRAT presidential nominee loser in 2004 , provoked stormy debate in Catholic circles about whether or not a pro-abortion rights politician should be able to receive Holy Communion, a key sacrament of the faith.

Several bishops said they would not give him communion and Fox News staked out churches where he'd attended Mass to see if he received.

In June 2004, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger — later Pope Benedict XVI — wrote to American bishops restating the Church position that a priest must refuse to distribute communion to a Catholic politician who supported abortion rights.

https://tinyurl.com/6xx3u7
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Looks like Papa Frankie is more merciful than the RW, non-Catholic theologians on JPP. :D

(CNN)Pope Francis has extended indefinitely the power of Catholic priests to forgive abortions, making the announcement in an apostolic letter released Monday. It continues a special dispensation granted last year for the duration of the Year of Mercy -- which finished Sunday -- which gave all priests, rather than just bishops and specially designated confessors, the power to absolve the sin of abortion. While the practical effect of Francis' announcement remains unclear, it draws attention to the prevailing theme of his papacy: That the doors of the Church must remain open, just as God's forgiveness and mercy extend to all those who repent from sin. That said, the Catholic Church's stance on abortion has not changed -- it is still viewed as a "grave sin." But it makes it easier for women who have had abortions to be absolved for their actions, and rejoin the church.

"I wish to restate as firmly as I can that abortion is a grave sin, since it puts an end to an innocent life," the Pope's letter states.

"In the same way, however, I can and must state that there is no sin that God's mercy cannot reach and wipe away when it finds a repentant heart seeking to be reconciled with the Father."

The letter continues: "May every priest, therefore, be a guide, support and comfort to penitents on this journey of special reconciliation.

"I henceforth grant to all priests, in virtue of their ministry, the faculty to absolve those who have committed the sin of procured abortion."

https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/21/europe/pope-francis-absolve-abortion/index.html
 
christiefan915 said:
Looks like Papa Frankie is more merciful than the RW, non-Catholic theologians on JPP. "I henceforth grant to all priests, in virtue of their ministry, the faculty to absolve those who have committed the sin of procured abortion."
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Are you drunk? He didn't give anyone permission to forgive Pelosi or Biden.
 
Neither of these penalties applied to Kerry.

Canon 915, one of the canons in the 1983 Code of Canon Law of the Latin Church of the Catholic Church, forbids the administration of Holy Communion to those upon whom the penalty of excommunication or interdict has been imposed or declared or who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin:

Those who have been excommunicated or interdicted after the imposition or declaration of the penalty and others obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to holy communion.[SUP][1][/SUP]

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Legion said:
Are you drunk? He didn't give anyone permission to forgive Pelosi or Biden.
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Are Y O U drunk? Your post was about denying Communion to Kerry because he's pro-choice. But if you need more, read this from 2008. Douglas Kmiec was in the same position as Kerry.

"Some Catholic bishops had suggested that John Kerry be denied the sacraments because, as a politician who believed in keeping faith and politics separate, he did not act to outlaw abortion. Others implied that merely voting for Kerry for president was an occasion of sin for Catholics. So, I wrote a column comparing my church's leadership with the Taliban. Which, truth be told, was a little over the top. I acknowledged as much to an irate local bishop, and he graciously promised to pray for my soul, and I thanked him and we left it there. But now that the dispute over Catholics and politics has been revived in this election cycle, the rest of my argument bears repeating.

First off: It is not a sin for a Catholic to vote for Barack Obama or other Democratic candidates who support abortion rights. Indeed, it may be morally preferable. As a matter of church doctrine, Catholics are free to vote for any candidates whose stands they like on foreign policy, the economy, or other issues.

...And as a matter of practical politics, Catholic voters who vote Republican because they think the GOP is a strong foe of abortion have been sold a bill of goods...

...A Catholic can either continue on the failed and uncertain path of seeking to overturn Roe, which would result in the individual states doing their own thing—[which would] not necessarily, or in most states even likely, [be] protective of the unborn.

There's still some confusion among Catholics about the politics of abortion. After Kmiec endorsed Obama last spring, he was chastised from the pulpit by his priest at mass and denied the sacrament of Communion. Cardinal Roger Mahoney had to intercede and ordered the priest in question to send Kmiec an apology.

Catholic voters may hear all sorts of warnings and misinformation in the closing days of this election. So, again, it bears repeating: It is not a sin to vote for Obama.

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blog...a-vote-is-no-sin-even-with-his-abortion-views
 
christiefan915 said:
Are Y O U drunk?
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No, I don't take Communion (and neither do you).

One renegade Cardinal commanding a priest to apologize to Cap'n Swiftboat is not the same as denying that piece of shit the Sacrament, and you know it.

No Communion, no Catholic, I say. :D

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christiefan915 said:
Neither of these penalties applied to Kerry.
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In June 2004, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger — later Pope Benedict XVI — wrote to American bishops restating the Church position that a priest must refuse to distribute communion to a Catholic politician who supported abortion rights.


https://tinyurl.com/6xx3u7

:D
 
Legion said:
In June 2004, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger — later Pope Benedict XVI — wrote to American bishops restating the Church position that a priest must refuse to distribute communion to a Catholic politician who supported abortion rights.

https://tinyurl.com/6xx3u7

:D
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Are we going to have dueling Pontiffs here? I'll take Frank's merciful approach over Ratzinger's hard-assed opinion, leggie. :nodyes:

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Legion said:
No, I don't take Communion (and neither do you).

One renegade Cardinal commanding a priest to apologize to Cap'n Swiftboat is not the same as denying that piece of shit the Sacrament, and you know it.

No Communion, no Catholic, I say. :D

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Is that His Holiness Pope Croc? :rofl2:

"...other canonists have disagreed with the approach of Cardinal Burke or Cardinal Ratzinger. The Rev. John P. Beal argued in a 2004 article for America, “Even if a politician’s views or votes can be fairly characterized as sinful, they do not qualify as ‘manifest’ grave sin, as that word has been used in canonical tradition. For a sin to be manifest, it is not enough that it be public or even notorious; it must also be so habitual that it constitutes an objectively sinful lifestyle or occupation.”

In another 2004 article for America, John Langan, S.J., noted that “political life in a modern democracy is complex and indirect. There is seldom a straight line from a value affirmed to a policy enacted. Governments are formed by coalitions, whose members have different priorities, even when they share many of the same values.” That means that “complex tradeoffs are an inescapable part of political life,” Father Langan wrote. “Thus, a pro-life voter may be urged by a pro-life political leader to vote for a pro-choice candidate, because the pro-choice candidate is thought to have a better chance of keeping the political seat for the pro-life party.”

https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2019/10/30/explainer-when-can-someone-be-denied-eucharist
 
Legion said:
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I don't care what "other canonists" say. The position of the Church has not changed.
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Of course it's changed, just like times have changed.

However, if you can quote something from the first century (jus antiquum) about giving Communion to politicians, I'll be happy to look it over. :awesome:
 
Legion said:
Nope, Benedict was a renowned cat lover. A devout Catholic would have known that, wouldn't they?

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Are you ashamed now?
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I was not a devout Ratzinger lover so I tried to pay as little attention as possible to him. I guess this shows he had at least one positive quality.
 
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