TRUMP-CORONA OUTCOMES ticking off by the day. Deficits will be staggering!!

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The numbers are going to be staggering. LOST WAGES. LOST REVENUES. STOCK MARKET LOSSES. LOST PRODUCTIVITY. We can only PRAY that loss of life is limited. He fucked it up profoundly with sheer indifference or 'head up ass' at the onset. Now arrogance, PARTISAN MANIPULATION, lies, more lies and still lying! Now he will add BILLIONS to the deficit, probably another trillion this year if I were to venture a guess!

Remember before 9/11 Bush and Cheney told us we had to have those paltry TAX CUTS? That had to be done that spring and summer. Then 9/11. Then a war.

PS $150,000,000 poof GONE from our local economy. They cancelled the 'big one' for the area. Vendors and small businesses will likely (some, very) go out of business.


Coronavirus Is Going To Be Expensive. Too Bad the Government Is Already in Massive Debt.

Having failed to be fiscally responsible when it would have been relatively easier, our elected officials will now likely hike spending even further.

ERIC BOEHM | 3.13.2020 5:40 PM

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(Ron Sachs/CNP/Sipa USA/Newscom)

While delivering an address Friday afternoon to declare a national emergency and outline plans for billions of dollars in emergency spending to combat the COVID-19 virus, President Donald Trump paused for a rare moment of reflection.

In addition to responding to the current coronavirus crisis, Trump said, the federal government would have to make changes to be better prepared for a similar event in the future. You hope that doesn't happen, he said, "but it will, I guess. Somewhere out there. [We've] had some bad ones over the years."

It's a shame he's three years too late in realizing that.

During Trump's first three years in office, he's signed off on spending plans that added at least $4.7 trillion to the national debt. The debt totals more than $23 trillion, a record high. When measured against the size of the economy, it is approaching the all-time record set during World War II. Annual budget deficits are expected to exceed $1 trillion for the rest of the decade, at least. The Government Accountability Office has called the nation's fiscal trajectory "unsustainable."

Trump said during the 2016 campaign that he'd be able to pay off the national debt in eight years. That was always a pretty laughable idea, but once in office, Trump was the one laughing off worries about overspending. "I won't be here" when the national debt becomes a crisis, Trump reportedly said during one Oval Office discussion about the issue.

But the "bad one" is here now. And Trump is still in office.

The bad ones aren't always pandemics. Sometimes they are wars or massive terrorist incidents. Sometimes they are the result of government-inflated housing bubbles popping. Sometimes they're just part of the business cycle. But they always come, and you can rarely predict them.

When they do happen, another thing you can count on is a governmental response that involves spending more money—to help people who lose jobs, to prop-up whole industries, or just to stimulate the stock market—at a time when tax revenues are almost certain to fall. Much of that spending will be counterproductive or, worse, wasteful cronyism. But it will happen regardless. This time, the Trump administration and House Democrats are currently negotiatinga massive spending package (perhaps as much as $50 billion) that is likely to include paid sick leave for workers, expanded welfare programs, and a bailout for travel industries.

"The federal government will unleash every authority, resource, and tool at our disposal," Trump said Friday.

https://reason.com/2020/03/13/coronavirus-expensive-trump-congress-debt-deficit-huge/

Trump's favored solution, a payroll tax cut that would extend through November, would reduce federal revenues by an estimated $840 billion.

 
Here comes the Morning Hysteria - enough. Tax revenues increased under the Trump tax cuts..idiots..

A month ago. "Hysteria" from the FED. Now we are about to pile on shit load more deficits. Read the 2nd sentence about "respond to financial crisis".

We have some truly stupid people on this board!


Fed chief issues stark warning to Congress on deficits

BY SYLVAN LANE - 02/11/20 04:08 PM EST 2,098



Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell called on Congress to reduce the U.S. federal budget deficit to ensure the central bank could adequately respond to a financial crisis or recession.

Powell told a House committee Tuesday that lawmakers should curb federal spending while the economy is running strong before a downturn forces Congress or the Fed to pump stimulus spending into the U.S.

“Putting the federal budget on a sustainable path when the economy is strong would help ensure that policymakers have the space to use fiscal policy to assist in stabilizing the economy during a downturn,” Powell said Tuesday before the House Financial Services Committee.

“A more sustainable federal budget could also support the economy’s growth over the long term.”

Powell’s comments come one day after President Trump proposed a budget for fiscal 2021 with a $1 trillion deficit that puts the U.S. on track to balance its spending in 15 years. Those projections assume the economy growing at a far faster rate than predicted by most economists.


https://thehill.com/policy/finance/482617-fed-chief-issues-stark-warning-to-congress-on-deficits



 
The numbers are going to be staggering. LOST WAGES. LOST REVENUES. STOCK MARKET LOSSES. LOST PRODUCTIVITY. We can only PRAY that loss of life is limited. He fucked it up profoundly with sheer indifference or 'head up ass' at the onset. Now arrogance, PARTISAN MANIPULATION, lies, more lies and still lying! Now he will add BILLIONS to the deficit, probably another trillion this year if I were to venture a guess!

Remember before 9/11 Bush and Cheney told us we had to have those paltry TAX CUTS? That had to be done that spring and summer. Then 9/11. Then a war.

PS $150,000,000 poof GONE from our local economy. They cancelled the 'big one' for the area. Vendors and small businesses will likely (some, very) go out of business.


Coronavirus Is Going To Be Expensive. Too Bad the Government Is Already in Massive Debt.

Having failed to be fiscally responsible when it would have been relatively easier, our elected officials will now likely hike spending even further.

ERIC BOEHM | 3.13.2020 5:40 PM

sipaphotosten656558-scaled-e1584132404364-800x450.jpg

(Ron Sachs/CNP/Sipa USA/Newscom)

While delivering an address Friday afternoon to declare a national emergency and outline plans for billions of dollars in emergency spending to combat the COVID-19 virus, President Donald Trump paused for a rare moment of reflection.

In addition to responding to the current coronavirus crisis, Trump said, the federal government would have to make changes to be better prepared for a similar event in the future. You hope that doesn't happen, he said, "but it will, I guess. Somewhere out there. [We've] had some bad ones over the years."

It's a shame he's three years too late in realizing that.

During Trump's first three years in office, he's signed off on spending plans that added at least $4.7 trillion to the national debt. The debt totals more than $23 trillion, a record high. When measured against the size of the economy, it is approaching the all-time record set during World War II. Annual budget deficits are expected to exceed $1 trillion for the rest of the decade, at least. The Government Accountability Office has called the nation's fiscal trajectory "unsustainable."

Trump said during the 2016 campaign that he'd be able to pay off the national debt in eight years. That was always a pretty laughable idea, but once in office, Trump was the one laughing off worries about overspending. "I won't be here" when the national debt becomes a crisis, Trump reportedly said during one Oval Office discussion about the issue.

But the "bad one" is here now. And Trump is still in office.

The bad ones aren't always pandemics. Sometimes they are wars or massive terrorist incidents. Sometimes they are the result of government-inflated housing bubbles popping. Sometimes they're just part of the business cycle. But they always come, and you can rarely predict them.

When they do happen, another thing you can count on is a governmental response that involves spending more money—to help people who lose jobs, to prop-up whole industries, or just to stimulate the stock market—at a time when tax revenues are almost certain to fall. Much of that spending will be counterproductive or, worse, wasteful cronyism. But it will happen regardless. This time, the Trump administration and House Democrats are currently negotiatinga massive spending package (perhaps as much as $50 billion) that is likely to include paid sick leave for workers, expanded welfare programs, and a bailout for travel industries.

"The federal government will unleash every authority, resource, and tool at our disposal," Trump said Friday.

https://reason.com/2020/03/13/coronavirus-expensive-trump-congress-debt-deficit-huge/

Trump's favored solution, a payroll tax cut that would extend through November, would reduce federal revenues by an estimated $840 billion.


While I fully support people calling out Trump and Republicans for excess spending don't turn around and then say you support Bernie (or Pelosi). Since winning back the House Pelosi has done nothing to try and reign in spending. The last 18 months have been a bi-partisan orgy of spending. And while Bernie at least admits he will raise taxes on almost everyone you can't raise taxes high enough to support all the spending he proposes. AND he's a backer of MMT which essentially says because we control the printing press deficits don't matter.
 
While I fully support people calling out Trump and Republicans for excess spending don't turn around and then say you support Bernie (or Pelosi). Since winning back the House Pelosi has done nothing to try and reign in spending. The last 18 months have been a bi-partisan orgy of spending. And while Bernie at least admits he will raise taxes on almost everyone you can't raise taxes high enough to support all the spending he proposes. AND he's a backer of MMT which essentially says because we control the printing press deficits don't matter.

I don't support Bernie. Never did. Never will. I will support JOE. Joe is moderate (very). And like OBAMA cleaning up BUSH'S massive clusterfuck, WE (Democrats) will be forced to clean up TRUMP'S big fat fucking mess! But we've got 10 months to go before the next inauguration, I think we could finally find out just how 'elastic' the US economy is before it PULLS APART. Can it survive? I have serious concerns.

REMEMBER: At the end of the CLINTON ADMINISTRATION, economists and budget types were quietly sitting in rooms discussing a US economy where we might NOT debt. No treasury notes (instruments of our DEBT) to sell. How would that affect this economy and those around the world who bought them? Oh, the good ol days to even have to think one would have to contemplate the possibility.
 
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I don't support Bernie. Never did. Never will. I will support JOE. Joe is moderate (very). And like OBAMA cleaning up BUSH'S massive clusterfuck, WE (Democrats) will be forced to clean up TRUMP'S big fat fucking mess! But we've got 10 months to go before the next inauguration, I think we could finally find out just how 'elastic' the US economy is before it PULLS APART. Can it survive? I have serious concerns.

REMEMBER: At the end of the CLINTON ADMINISTRATION, economists and budget types were quietly sitting in rooms discussing a US economy where we might NOT debt. No treasury notes (instruments of our DEBT) to sell. How would that affect this economy and those around the world who bought them? Oh, the good ol days to even have to think one would have to contemplate the possibility.

I heard a Biden spokesperson on NPR last week proclaim that a Biden Presidency would be the most progressive in American history. You don't achieve by practicing fiscal conservatism.

As far as the year 2000 and the discussion of not having debt going forward its amazing what koolaid the mind can conceive during the height of a bubble.
 
When this is all over we wont have to worry about debt and deficit, because there wont be a Fed. This in actuality is an opportunity to finally do a clean sweep. The FED is soon to be dead. Been a long time coming!
 
When this is all over we wont have to worry about debt and deficit, because there wont be a Fed. This in actuality is an opportunity to finally do a clean sweep. The FED is soon to be dead. Been a long time coming!

"Killing" the Fed does not mean we can default on our debt. Defaulting on our debt would be devastating to the economy, but mostly to the elderly.
 
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