Nearly half of American workers have low-wage jobs

You're in San Fransisco area, right? Well shoot. Everybody knows why there's plenty of high paying jobs available out there. Nobody can live there. It costs too much. Even with that high pay you still can't make it there. That's why those jobs are unfilled.

Who wants to pay a million dollars for an 800 sf house in a questionable area only a short 2 hour drive to work?

On a tiny lot.

Like I said people from all over the world come here for the opportunity. It's the same reason aspiring actors and actresses go to L.A. For a chance to pursue their dreams. They may make it or may not. They may stay in S.F. or L.A. or may not. But people are drawn to the opportunity.
 
Jobs growth soars in November as payrolls surge by 266,000




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Nonfarm payrolls surged by 266,000 in November, better than the 187,000 expected by economists polled by Dow Jones .

The unemployment rate ticked down to 3.5% from 3.6%, back to the 2019 low and matching the lowest jobless rate since 1969.

The end of the GM strike had a big effect, boosting employment in motor vehicles and parts by 41,300, part of an overall 54,000 gain in manufacturing.

Average hourly earnings rose by 3.1% from a year ago, slightly above the 3% expected by economists polled by Dow Jones.




https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/06/us-n...mber-2019.html


CONSTANT WAGE GROWTH UNDER TRUMPONOMICS...FAR OUTSTRIPPING INFLATION:



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INFLATION 2018-2019 = 1.76% :laugh:
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Which candidate is telling the truth now?

None of them. Sanders has mentioned here and there that nobody working 40 hours a week should be living in poverty, but even he hasn't talked enough about how Trump is lying when he says the economy is doing well for the working-class. We need people who are going to say if you need to work two jobs, if you have a job and you're still struggling, then Trump's economy is not doing well.

You know the old saying about how all evil needs to succeed is for people to let it happen? The Democrats are being the people letting the evil happen.
 
Hello Flash,

The reason those jobs remain unfilled is because they are undesirable jobs. Good jobs don't go unfilled. The best jobs never even get listed. And the good ones often get listed as a matter of formality even though the employer already has someone in mind for the position, they simply need to go through the motions to satisfy investors. The best jobs are filled by word of mouth. Or somebody worked in a related position and had their eye on the job for years, making sure they are the best qualified for it. Then when the time comes they move right into it.

If a job has to get listed out to the general public it is not a very desirable job. Nurse? They work their butts off. I know one who had to quit because the work was so demanding and stressful it was giving her high blood pressure and back pain. And she worked for a supervisor who made her life hell. Engineer? Guess which ones are open. Drilling rig. That's a job where ya don't get to go home at night. You'll be gone for weeks when you go to work. And it might be in some remote location where you can't leave the rig. 24-7 you'll be there with all the same people. Oh, and you'll be in a dangerous job. Truck driver? That's one of the most dangerous jobs in America. 30,000 people die every year on our highways. Very stressful job. Drivers are *so* courteous, you know. The highway is a 'friendly' place, yeah, right. And how long a career could that be with AI looming to eliminate drivers?

In total, a few hundred thousand well-paying jobs have been identified, and it's obvious why these lousy jobs remain unfilled. And that pales in comparison to the 44 million Americans who need well-paying jobs.

You are saying those well paying jobs are worse than working in a nursing home, convenience store, or retail clerk?

You also say 44 million Americans need well-paying jobs but apparently don't want to do the kind of "undesirable" work that earns them that money. I don't think engineers (most are not on drilling rigs), web developer, or software developers are undesirable, especially compared to the $10 an hour jobs. And yes, nursing is a hard job, but millions to it and make good money (RNs). It sounds like you want people to have good paying jobs that don't have to work too hard or have any training or skills.

I don't think most of those highly paid unskilled jobs are undesirable as much as there are not enough people qualified to fill them. That is why maniy are filled with people from places like India.

"At the end of January, the US economy had 7.6 million unfilled jobs, but only 6.5 million people were looking for work, according to data released Friday by the US Department of Labor. This was the 11th straight month that the number of job openings was higher than the number of job seekers. And each month, the gap has grown.

Employers have been complaining about a shortage of skilled workers in recent years, particularly workers with advanced degrees in STEM fields. Nearly ever industry now has a labor shortage, but here’s the twist: Employers are having a harder time filling blue-collar positions than professional positions that require a college education."
 
None of them. Sanders has mentioned here and there that nobody working 40 hours a week should be living in poverty, but even he hasn't talked enough about how Trump is lying when he says the economy is doing well for the working-class. We need people who are going to say if you need to work two jobs, if you have a job and you're still struggling, then Trump's economy is not doing well.

You know the old saying about how all evil needs to succeed is for people to let it happen? The Democrats are being the people letting the evil happen.

Bernie Sanders: Trump’s economy is great for billionaires, not for working families
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...nomy-jobs-income-employment-column/782404002/
 
WAGES..UP NEARLY 20% SINCE 2017.


INFLATION : 1.76%

WAGE INCREASES and JOBS REPORT BOTH BEAT NOVEMBER PREDICTIONS.




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Hello cawacko,

You're free to have an abstract discussion about all the good socialism would bring but what I was responding to was Flash posting the various job training's and opportunities available to people to help them grow their skills and employment options.

There is no 'would bring' about all the good socialism has already produced. It has already happened. It is happening now and it will continue to happen. People who have the mistaken idea that we are in some kind of battle between capitalism and socialism are out of touch. We already have socialism and it has lifted the poor from destitution. We use capitalism to pay for that socialism and the two work together to produce the highest standard of living ever known. Delusional people who are afraid of socialism and afraid it is going to wipe out capitalism are under completely false impressions, hopelessly mixed up by capitalist propaganda.

The greediest capitalists among us foment and produce stupid propaganda for the sole reason of greed. The greediest richest few want to suppress our socialism simply to increase their own profits and reduce their taxes and their financial burden to help pay for the government programs. They strongly support the Republican party and circulate the false rumor that taxing is too high and that we should always be trying to cut taxes. That's wrong. They have been far too successful in spreading their lies. That has produced the largest tax cut for the rich in history and with it the largest deficit in history. Fool's gold. We run our government on credit. The deeper in debt the government sinks, the greater their profits. Foolish and irresponsible.

Oh yeah, the economy is 'doing great,' they claim. And the numbers look really good. More people working than ever, (at jobs that don't support them,) and the stock market is soaring. Not a word about the debt or the deficit because that is a sore subject. Republicans were *SO* worried about the debt when Obama was President that when they were finally able to wrest control of the government away from the irresponsible Democrats they took matters in their own hands and made the debt problem FAR greater.

It was totally irresponsible to have a tax cut for the richest when we had so much debt and the economy was strong. The responsible thing to do would be to use the power of that strong economy to pay down the debt they complained so bitterly about.

We now borrow over a trillion dollars a year to run our government and the rich enjoy the lowest taxes in decades.

IRRESPONSIBLE REPUBLICANS ARE RACKING UP TOWERING GOVERNMENT DEBT.
 
Hello cawacko,

Like I said people from all over the world come here for the opportunity. It's the same reason aspiring actors and actresses go to L.A. For a chance to pursue their dreams. They may make it or may not. They may stay in S.F. or L.A. or may not. But people are drawn to the opportunity.

And like I said the cost of living is too high and the traffic is a nightmare. You wonder why people seem crazy out there, there's your answer. Living there drives people crazy. That's why all the 'opportunity' of those 'great jobs' is being left unfilled.
 
Hello cawacko,



And like I said the cost of living is too high and the traffic is a nightmare. You wonder why people seem crazy out there, there's your answer. Living there drives people crazy. That's why all the 'opportunity' of those 'great jobs' is being left unfilled.

I’ve lived in Oakland/SF or LA for 35 years. It’s amazing out here and the opportunities are off the chart. But yes, it’s not for everyone nor do I believe we should export the California model across the country.
 
Like I said people from all over the world come here for the opportunity. It's the same reason aspiring actors and actresses go to L.A. For a chance to pursue their dreams. They may make it or may not. They may stay in S.F. or L.A. or may not. But people are drawn to the opportunity.

They also like the foodie and arts and crafts lifestyle and caliber and disposition or attitude of people there, politically, socially and morally.
I pay extra to live where I know old men don't think they are genetically superior to everyone else like they do in Trump nation.
 
Hello cawacko,



There is no 'would bring' about all the good socialism has already produced. It has already happened. It is happening now and it will continue to happen. People who have the mistaken idea that we are in some kind of battle between capitalism and socialism are out of touch. We already have socialism and it has lifted the poor from destitution. We use capitalism to pay for that socialism and the two work together to produce the highest standard of living ever known. Delusional people who are afraid of socialism and afraid it is going to wipe out capitalism are under completely false impressions, hopelessly mixed up by capitalist propaganda.

The greediest capitalists among us foment and produce stupid propaganda for the sole reason of greed. The greediest richest few want to suppress our socialism simply to increase their own profits and reduce their taxes and their financial burden to help pay for the government programs. They strongly support the Republican party and circulate the false rumor that taxing is too high and that we should always be trying to cut taxes. That's wrong. They have been far too successful in spreading their lies. That has produced the largest tax cut for the rich in history and with it the largest deficit in history. Fool's gold. We run our government on credit. The deeper in debt the government sinks, the greater their profits. Foolish and irresponsible.

Oh yeah, the economy is 'doing great,' they claim. And the numbers look really good. More people working than ever, (at jobs that don't support them,) and the stock market is soaring. Not a word about the debt or the deficit because that is a sore subject. Republicans were *SO* worried about the debt when Obama was President that when they were finally able to wrest control of the government away from the irresponsible Democrats they took matters in their own hands and made the debt problem FAR greater.

It was totally irresponsible to have a tax cut for the richest when we had so much debt and the economy was strong. The responsible thing to do would be to use the power of that strong economy to pay down the debt they complained so bitterly about.

We now borrow over a trillion dollars a year to run our government and the rich enjoy the lowest taxes in decades.

IRRESPONSIBLE REPUBLICANS ARE RACKING UP TOWERING GOVERNMENT DEBT.

I’m not sure how what you wrote has to do with job training programs we were discussing but if your concern is government debt you support Bernie Sanders who is a supporter of MMT which states deficits do not matter and we should run high deficits to fund government programs. You just don’t like debt when it’s done by people you don’t support.
 
They also like the foodie and arts and crafts lifestyle and caliber and disposition or attitude of people there, politically, socially and morally.
I pay extra to live where I know old men don't think they are genetically superior to everyone else like they do in Trump nation.

Is this the Onion or South Park?
 
Hello Flash,

You are saying those well paying jobs are worse than working in a nursing home, convenience store, or retail clerk?

Nope. That's what you just said. If you want to know what I said you will have to look at my post.

You also say 44 million Americans need well-paying jobs but apparently don't want to do the kind of "undesirable" work that earns them that money. I don't think engineers (most are not on drilling rigs), web developer, or software developers are undesirable, especially compared to the $10 an hour jobs. And yes, nursing is a hard job, but millions to it and make good money (RNs). It sounds like you want people to have good paying jobs that don't have to work too hard or have any training or skills.

It's funny. I say one thing, you hear another. It's like you take what I actually said and then you embellish it, dress it up, make it what you want to respond to. Ya know what that's called? You're making a straw man argument. Nothing could say I have you more than your inability to address my post and your need to try to turn it into something that's easier for you to dispute. You take my excellent argument and you rewrite it and make it a spineless straw man that is easy for you to rip to shreds, then you rip the straw man to shreds and dance around in glee admiring your cleverness. I am sorry to say with this effort you're only fooling yourself. Any time you reread one of your posts prior to posting, and you see yourself writing this phrase: "So what you're saying is...." that should be a warning signal that maybe you are creating another straw man. I already know what I said. I don't need you to paraphrase it and fool yourself that I said something easier for you to dispute. And you are certainly doing yourself a disfavor by pretending to respond to some imaginary thing which was never said.

Most of the 44 million working poor are stuck in lives they can't easily change. They lack the motivation to better themselves. Their time is spent working and commuting and then trying to actually enjoy what little of their life is left over after their obligations are met. They often have children depending on them. They may drink, they may smoke, they watch TV. Capitalism plays to their weaknesses. They want things. They don't budget themselves very well. They probably drive a 'Buy Here Pay Here' rip-off car that drains their earnings. They may utilize a 'Payday Loan Shark' joint to further their difficulties as they try to rectify their hopelessness. They are putty compared to the psycho-analytics used by professional marketers. Whatever their weakness is, it will be exploited for profit by somebody with more capital than they have (which is usually zero.) Wanna know where they went wrong to get into this rut? They got born into the wrong life. If only they were born with a silver spoon in their mouth like Trump.

I don't think most of those highly paid unskilled jobs are undesirable as much as there are not enough people qualified to fill them. That is why maniy are filled with people from places like India.

Ah. Finally we get your opinion and honest response to what I said. Thank you. Now we can begin an honest discussion. Now I can respond.

Then what happened to American superiority? We are not better than them? Ya wanna know why some well-paying jobs go to people from India? Several reasons. One of those reasons is that those are the jobs Americans don't want because they have seen how good jobs are. They can clearly see that a lot of these unfilled well-paying jobs can be dangerous or make it impossible to have a daily family life. Since employers are able to get desperate applicants from places of zero opportunity those jobs do not pay what they actually should to compensate for their undesirability.

"At the end of January, the US economy had 7.6 million unfilled jobs, but only 6.5 million people were looking for work, according to data released Friday by the US Department of Labor. This was the 11th straight month that the number of job openings was higher than the number of job seekers. And each month, the gap has grown.

Very good. Now we are talking about facts. 7.6 million unfilled jobs but no stats on how much all those jobs pay. No problem, I can guess most of them are nothing anybody can live on.

Employers have been complaining about a shortage of skilled workers in recent years, particularly workers with advanced degrees in STEM fields. Nearly ever industry now has a labor shortage, but here’s the twist: Employers are having a harder time filling blue-collar positions than professional positions that require a college education."

I wonder what it's like to be in the working poor. I don't know. I have it good. I had good parents, got a good education, never had a problem. It must be hell to be raised by unsuccessful parents who don't know how to prepare a child for success because they don't know them selves how to be successful. And to never be told or made to understand what the three most important decisions in life are: 1. What kind of education to pursue. 2. Who to marry. 3 Whether or not to have children and when.

Most people, lacking any better direction, rebel against their parents and want to do their own thing. Lacking good guidance and having no immediate example of how to have a good life they screw up the 3 most important decisions of their lives and set themselves into a path which is very difficult to overcome. I think we have to mold our education system into more than it is in order to make up for the lack of good parenting in the working poor.

Education and good guidance are the solution to desperation and hopelessness. And along the way we need a big government to force greed out of capitalism with strong oversight and effective regulation. It's always a challenge, and one we have not been prevailing in. If we pursue this philosophy, we will motivate young people to better themselves and we will provide the opportunity for them to excel.

Simply blaming the poor will not do it.

Certainly, removing government from the free market is a disaster in the making, sure to produce extreme wealth inequality and promote the general hopelessness and despair.
 
Hello Celticguy,

This is the land of opportunity Poli. You can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.
If folks do not take advantage of opportunity thats on them.

Fools are born every day. If we don't do anything to wise them up then we are a nation of fools.

That doesn't make America great.
 
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