Democratic Debate

Seriously? I am not for free college, but I manage to do it without calling college "babysitting" and assuming people go to avoid work.

The fact is people who graduate make 10s of thousands per year for life over those who don't. People who are babysat or slack off flunk out.

Man you are just a big ball of prejudices. I don't want to pay for others' college because I had to pay for mine, and repay a few student loans,
and I did. Was the GI bill a bunch of baby losers avoiding work? 1/2 of everyone's dads went to college on the GI Bill and therefore families had
nice homes, cars and braces for their kids and GOOD JOBS

They don't want to play for Blacks and Mexicans. They have been taught that Blacks and now Mexicans don't work or pay taxes.
 
I think they liked his racism and his general assholeness too.
Trump just said that all Europe drives on the wrong side of the road.

Fuck he is dumb.

Oh absolutely! They love the tell it like it is, get judge kavanugh angry, put your foot down, aggressive, violent, behavior.

They have to let us know who's boss!...………. eye roll.
 
exactly. you don't want student debt work hard for a scholarship,or find a trade ( much better then liberal arts)
free college just means people will go to avoid work ( in some cases) and get free subsidies

why in the hell should we pay for other kids babysitting? again dont have kids or acquire debt you can't afford
You sound like someone who never graduated college.

Anyone who supposedly goes to college to avoid work inevitably flunks out. Doesn't finish. Gives up. I think if you flunk out on the taxpayer dime, there should be some kind of accountability.

Graduating college takes commitment, perseverance, tenacity, and plain old fashioned hard work.
Anyone who graduates with a bachelors, Masters, or Ph.D. have navigated unrelenting years of study and resolve, and is not somebody who was a layabout trying to avoid work.
 
You sound like someone who never went to college.

Anyone who supposedly goes to college to avoid work inevitably flunks out. Doesn't finish. Gives up. I think if you flunk out on the taxpayer dime, there should be some kind of accountability.

Graduating college takes commitment, perseverance, tenacity, and plain old fashioned hard work.
Anyone who graduates with a bachelors, Masters, or Ph.D. have navigated unrelenting years of study and resolve, and is not somebody who was a layabout trying to avoid work.

He's talking about Black people.

In the mind of the racist white man...…...they want everything free.
 
You sound like someone who never graduated college.

Anyone who supposedly goes to college to avoid work inevitably flunks out. Doesn't finish. Gives up. I think if you flunk out on the taxpayer dime, there should be some kind of accountability.

Graduating college takes commitment, perseverance, tenacity, and plain old fashioned hard work.
Anyone who graduates with a bachelors, Masters, or Ph.D. have navigated unrelenting years of study and resolve, and is not somebody who was a layabout trying to avoid work.
that would definately help . But it won't happen. there will be cries of "you can't penalize students for failing"
 
Seriously? I am not for free college, but I manage to do it without calling college "babysitting" and assuming people go to avoid work.

The fact is people who graduate make 10s of thousands per year for life over those who don't. People who are babysat or slack off flunk out.

Man you are just a big ball of prejudices. I don't want to pay for others' college because I had to pay for mine, and repay a few student loans,
and I did. Was the GI bill a bunch of baby losers avoiding work? 1/2 of everyone's dads went to college on the GI Bill and therefore families had
nice homes, cars and braces for their kids and GOOD JOBS

I agree with 90 percent of what I have seen you write.

In this case, I have to say that I was not born with the resentment gene.

If an 18 year old kid in the future pays less for college than me, I will not even think twice about it.

My philosophy is that as a citizen of this great nation, my obligation, in whatever small way I can, is to ensure future generations, my progeny have access to a better life than previous generations. That they should have as much opportunity as feasibly possible for self-improvement, economic justice, and an an improved quality of life.

If I had to pay a little more for college than them, that actually does not enter the equation in my mind at all.

I think knowing people who survived the GUGLAG, and who had to scrape out a living under the jack boots of communist dictators gave me some perspective I have always valued and never forgotten.
 
I don't think I did, did I?
maybe bigdog did
Social security is as fair as it can possibly be.
Everyone is on the same timeline, and the amount you get is based on the amount you paid in
what might be unfair, in fact what IS unfair is the means at which people are allowed to get their hands on it early

You're correct, it was BigDog. Apologies for getting you two confused.

So your last point...about the means at which people are allowed to get their hands on it early; I think that the eligibility age should be lowered to at least 55, and benefits should be expanded so that the monthly check is higher. I think you achieve that by removing the cap on taxable SS income. One of the main reasons for doing that would be to get older workers out of the workforce so that younger workers can move up the ladder and increase their wages. Labor elasticity is affected by retirement options...so we should be encouraging older workers to leave the labor market to create space for younger workers to advance. But older folks, half of whom don't have any retirement savings at all, have to work in order to draw a paycheck and health care. Expanding SS and implementing M4A solves those two major roadblocks to Gen X, Millennial, and Gen Z advancement; Boomers clinging to the workforce primarily for health care and retirement savings...if they can manage to save...the average amount a 55 year old has in their 401k is just $250K...you need at least a million saved to retire comfortably and not have to work at Walmart, and only half of all older workers even have retirement savings.
 
If I'm right? ... White female life expectancy is far greater than Black male life expectancy.

Right, so if that's the case, you're making an argument to expand Social Security benefits because that's the only way to address this systemic issue.
 
free health care
free pre-school
free child care
free college
wealth tax
wealth inequality tax
student debt forgiveness

a few I forget

What a clown show. I had to turn it off after the first 20 minutes because it was a re-run of the stupidity we saw in the first three debates. :rolleyes:
 
my parents put money aside.. I worked part time. there were still merit grants and hardship grants.
College is not a human right, or an entitlement. we can't afford it anyways.
One reason college costs so much is the feds keep handing out more and more cash -why are the universities so rich?
Think cost control methods instead.

The best cost control method is to make all public colleges free...that will force private institutions to lower their rates to be more competitive with the free option offered by the State.

I don't care if a billionaire's kid goes to free public colleges. Like they would even go to one anyway. And if a billionaire's kid went to public college, they'd get a great crash-course in what life is like for kids whose parents aren't incredibly wealthy. But really, what billionaire or millionaire would send their kid to public school? They already don't, largely.
 
Right, so if that's the case, you're making an argument to expand Social Security benefits because that's the only way to address this systemic issue.

If? ... you think it's equal when a White liberal female gets 15 years of SS benefits ... and a Black male should only get 5 years???? :palm:
 
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You're correct, it was BigDog. Apologies for getting you two confused.

So your last point...about the means at which people are allowed to get their hands on it early; I think that the eligibility age should be lowered to at least 55, and benefits should be expanded so that the monthly check is higher. I think you achieve that by removing the cap on taxable SS income. One of the main reasons for doing that would be to get older workers out of the workforce so that younger workers can move up the ladder and increase their wages. Labor elasticity is affected by retirement options...so we should be encouraging older workers to leave the labor market to create space for younger workers to advance. But older folks, half of whom don't have any retirement savings at all, have to work in order to draw a paycheck and health care. Expanding SS and implementing M4A solves those two major roadblocks to Gen X, Millennial, and Gen Z advancement; Boomers clinging to the workforce primarily for health care and retirement savings...if they can manage to save...the average amount a 55 year old has in their 401k is just $250K...you need at least a million saved to retire comfortably and not have to work at Walmart, and only half of all older workers even have retirement savings.


A lot of great points, and ideas, but
55 is very young with at least 20 and probably 25 or 30 years of life left x that social security check.
I'd rather see more of a 'more jobs created' to fill the need rather than vacate jobs early to make room philosophy
The government is watching our numbers carefully, they have moved the goal post a lot over the years, and never toward younger retirement.
And they are not going to lower the age of retirement , ever. imo
I think there are a lot more people than your stat indicates with a lot less than 250k saved for retirement who are at or very near retirement. I personally know
a lot of people who have taken money out, borrowed money from and otherwise pilfered their retirement savings.
My personal philosophy is to use your real estate property equity as the gap filler. You have to live somewhere anyway and it certainly has a bigger safer return than most investments.

And remember my first point, SS is based on what you put into it. a person who spends his or her life in low paying jobs obviously has chosen to live in lesser means.
And will live in lesser means after retirement also.

I'm not saying SS is perfect or by any means a livable wage. But it is fair, is all I was saying, not racist, or catered to the privileged.

and any attempt to reward someone equally who has not contributed equally is a move toward socialism, just as taking more of some ones money simply because they have more is also.
We are not America because of socialism, we are who we are because of capitalism.

And lets not forget for one second that the Champion supporter of socialism right now (The Bern) is in fact a 1%er because of capitalism. :wink2:
 
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Hello anatta,

exactly. you don't want student debt work hard for a scholarship,or find a trade ( much better then liberal arts)
free college just means people will go to avoid work ( in some cases) and get free subsidies

why in the hell should we pay for other kids babysitting? again dont have kids or acquire debt you can't afford

At what point along the school-to-prison pipeline should people make all those right choices?

At what age, precisely?
 
If? ... you think it's equal when a White liberal female gets 15 years of SS benefits ... and a Black male should only get 5 years????

I just said I didn't think it was equal. What I keep trying to get you to say is how you would address this. The fact that you don't just shows you don't really care about this, and are just trolling.
 
I just said I didn't think it was equal. What I keep trying to get you to say is how you would address this. The fact that you don't just shows you don't really care about this, and are just trolling.

Attach the retirement age to racial and gender, life expectancy demographics.
 
free health care
free pre-school
free child care
free college
wealth tax
wealth inequality tax
student debt forgiveness

a few I forget

Indeed...send in the clowns...oh, they showed up at the Democratic debate...all of them.
 
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