Trump Is Just 6 Votes Away From Impeachment

PoliTalker said:
Hi Jarod,



No PROBLEM!

He knows just how to 'fix' these kinds of things.

All he has to do is just TWEET that it's 'fake news.'

He can just refuse to believe there is even an impeachment inquiry. JUST CALL IT FAKE NEWS, right?

It doesn't matter what's really going on. He lives in his fantasy world where if he tweets it that makes it the new reality.

After all, this is nothing but garbage from the fake news media, and 'everybody knows' the media is the 'enemy of the people,' right?
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Unfortunately that's what a lot of his cultists also believe.

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PoliTalker said:
Hello Threedee,



Naturally. And Trump is above the law, too, right? It is ludicrous to even suspect him of any wrongdoing. He's always the victim of wrongdoing. Everybody has been trying to get Trump his while life because he's so good and rich and they are all just envious, right?

If there's been any wrongdoing, it's always somebody else. Never Trump.

If you can't accept that then you can't be a Trump fan.
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Okay. Ukraine should investigate Trump, as well.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello christiefan915,

This thread assume all the Democrats would vote to convict. We are focusing on the Republican Senators only for the purpose of this exercise.

We are assuming all the Dems plus the 2 independents would for Yes. That's 47. 20 more yes votes needed out of 53 Republican Senators.
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Got it.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hi Flash,



Interesting.

Why don't you think Cruz would vote for conviction?

Do you recall how nasty Trump was to Cruz during the campaign?

I think if there's a dam break Cruz is in the first wave.
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He was nasty to several of the other candidates but most supported him. Cruz is pretty partisan and would support the party.
 
Hello Flash,

Flash said:
He was nasty to several of the other candidates but most supported him. Cruz is pretty partisan and would support the party.
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Ordinarily, I would tend to agree. And I may be wrong on Cruz but I know that at least some Republicans value their oath of office over their party loyalty. I know better than to listen to the people who believe no Republicans will cross the party line. It happens. Every single Republican, including Mitch McConnell and Ted Cruz, voted against the President this week to have the Whistleblower Complaint released. That was encouraging.

Tell me. Do you thing ANY Republicans would vote to convict?
 
Here's a cutie:

"'If the Democrats are successful in removing the President from office (which they will never be), it will cause a Civil War like fracture in this Nation from which our Country will never heal'," Trump tweeted...

Let's break that one down.

It is both a warning of a dire situation should he be impeached, and a declaration that impeachment won't happen.

Kind of revealing.

If something is 'never going to happen,' then why even bother with arguing against it?

Clearly he doesn't believe in himself.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Flash,



Ordinarily, I would tend to agree. And I may be wrong on Cruz but I know that at least some Republicans value their oath of office over their party loyalty. I know better than to listen to the people who believe no Republicans will cross the party line. It happens. Every single Republican, including Mitch McConnell and Ted Cruz, voted against the President this week to have the Whistleblower Complaint released. That was encouraging.

Tell me. Do you thing ANY Republicans would vote to convict?
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I think it depends on what they find. Cruz might put oath of office over party loyalty but only if he believes Trump acted improperly. I certainly think Trump's request was self-serving and sleazy, but I don't know that it was illegal (although impeachment does not require a crime). Asking for a "favor" probably avoids the charge it was a condition for getting the funds.

I guess the most likely to vote to convict would be Collins and Gardner (just because they are from states carried by Clinton). Maybe Romney but that would destroy his future presidential hopes. Jeff Flake said at least 35 republican senators would like to get rid of Trump. I don't think that could happen without a secret ballot.

There are some good stories today about whether the Senate would even have to take up a trial. There are some examples where they adjourned before voting on all articles of impeachment or dropped the issue (because the official resigned).

That said, I think foreign assistance is sometimes an act of extortion because it is often based on conditions.
 
Flash said:
I think it depends on what they find. Cruz might put oath of office over party loyalty but only if he believes Trump acted improperly. I certainly think Trump's request was self-serving and sleazy, but I don't know that it was illegal (although impeachment does not require a crime). Asking for a "favor" probably avoids the charge it was a condition for getting the funds.

I guess the most likely to vote to convict would be Collins and Gardner (just because they are from states carried by Clinton). Maybe Romney but that would destroy his future presidential hopes. Jeff Flake said at least 35 republican senators would like to get rid of Trump. I don't think that could happen without a secret ballot.

There are some good stories today about whether the Senate would even have to take up a trial. There are some examples where they adjourned before voting on all articles of impeachment or dropped the issue (because the official resigned).

That said, I think foreign assistance is sometimes an act of extortion because it is often based on conditions.
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OK, that sounds like a good assessment from your view.

I'll put Cruz in the Maybe column, based on that.

This delineation of guesstimates will be an ongoing exercise, based on what we can learn about how these 53 Republican Senators really feel about Trump, and how strongly they feel compelled to support Trump at all costs.

Here's the new breakdown:


NO:
Rick Scott FL
Mike Braun IN
Chuck Grassley IA
Roger Wicker MI
Cindy Hyde-Smith MI
John Hoeven ND
Kevin Cramer ND
Marsha Blackburn TN
Ron Johnson WI
John Barrasso WY
Jim Risch ID
Rand Paul KY
Tom Cotton AR

YES:
Mitt Romney UT
Richard Burr NC
Susan Collins ME
Mike Lee UT
Lisa Murkowski AK
Martha McSally AZ
Cory Gardner CO
Marco Rubio FL
Todd Young IN
Joni Ernst IA
Jerry Moran KA
Roy Blunt MS
Ben Sasse NE
Rob Portman OH
Lindsey Graham SC

MAYBE:
Richard Shelby AL
Mike Crapo ID
Bill Cassidy LA
John Kennedy LA
Josh Hawley MS
Thom Tillis NC
Tim Scott SC
Lamar Alexander TN
Shelly Moore Capito WV
Mike Enzi WY
Dan Sullivan AK
Johnny Isakson GA
Pat Roberts KA
Steve Daines MT
Deb Fischer NE
Jim Inhofe OK
John Boozman AR
Mike Rounds SD
David Perdue GA
James Lankford OK
Ted Cruz TX

UNDECIDED:
Mitch McConnell KY
Pat Toomey PA
John Thune SD
John Cornyn TX

Caution: Naturally, as new information becomes available, these column entries are all subject to being shifted around.
 
Things just got more serious for President Trump.

Let's just take Grassley out of the 'No' Column and put him in the 'Maybe.'

Grassley Breaks With Trump Over Whistleblower Identity

Here's the new breakdown:


NO:
Rick Scott FL
Mike Braun IN
Roger Wicker MI
Cindy Hyde-Smith MI
John Hoeven ND
Kevin Cramer ND
Marsha Blackburn TN
Ron Johnson WI
John Barrasso WY
Jim Risch ID
Rand Paul KY
Tom Cotton AR

YES:
Mitt Romney UT
Richard Burr NC
Susan Collins ME
Mike Lee UT
Lisa Murkowski AK
Martha McSally AZ
Cory Gardner CO
Marco Rubio FL
Todd Young IN
Joni Ernst IA
Jerry Moran KA
Roy Blunt MS
Ben Sasse NE
Rob Portman OH
Lindsey Graham SC

MAYBE:
Richard Shelby AL
Mike Crapo ID
Bill Cassidy LA
John Kennedy LA
Josh Hawley MS
Thom Tillis NC
Tim Scott SC
Lamar Alexander TN
Shelly Moore Capito WV
Mike Enzi WY
Dan Sullivan AK
Johnny Isakson GA
Pat Roberts KA
Steve Daines MT
Deb Fischer NE
Jim Inhofe OK
John Boozman AR
Mike Rounds SD
David Perdue GA
James Lankford OK
Ted Cruz TX
Chuck Grassley IA

UNDECIDED:
Mitch McConnell KY
Pat Toomey PA
John Thune SD
John Cornyn TX

Caution: Naturally, as new information becomes available, these column entries are all subject to being shifted around.
 
Port Tack said:
Un fucking believable! We just went through 2 years of investigating this asshole for colluding with a foreign power to help himself get elected with no proof he didn't. Now he asks another foreign power if he would do him a favor and manufacture an investigation into the guy he may well be running against now. If that isn't colluding with a foreign power to help yourself win an election what the fuck is? But before he makes the call he holds up that 400 million in aid they need to fight the Russians? Just get in touch with my personal attorney? The whistleblower who is dead on accurate to the text of the call but he is a spy or traitor and should be dealt like we used to? We executed them. It is downright comical how the trump supporter can still sit there and speak as though this corrupt shithead has done nothing wrong.

Yeah I think some more republican senators are going to come around.
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all your efforts amount to nothing, a mere fart on the wind.
 
I am going to go ahead and put Mitch McConnell in the Maybe column.

He has been a reliable supporter of Trump, but has failed to defend him in this case. He allowed a vote to release the whistleblower report, and voted against Trump along with all other Senators that yes, it needed to be released.

I think if McConnell senses that the Mighty Trump is going down, he will quickly distance himself from Trump and vote to convict. But that's just my take on it, so I will leave him in the Maybe Column.

Hence, the latest breakdown is now:


NO:
Rick Scott FL
Mike Braun IN
Roger Wicker MI
Cindy Hyde-Smith MI
John Hoeven ND
Kevin Cramer ND
Marsha Blackburn TN
Ron Johnson WI
John Barrasso WY
Jim Risch ID
Rand Paul KY
Tom Cotton AR

YES:
Mitt Romney UT
Richard Burr NC
Susan Collins ME
Mike Lee UT
Lisa Murkowski AK
Martha McSally AZ
Cory Gardner CO
Marco Rubio FL
Todd Young IN
Joni Ernst IA
Jerry Moran KA
Roy Blunt MS
Ben Sasse NE
Rob Portman OH
Lindsey Graham SC

MAYBE:
Richard Shelby AL
Mike Crapo ID
Bill Cassidy LA
John Kennedy LA
Josh Hawley MS
Thom Tillis NC
Tim Scott SC
Lamar Alexander TN
Shelly Moore Capito WV
Mike Enzi WY
Dan Sullivan AK
Johnny Isakson GA
Pat Roberts KA
Steve Daines MT
Deb Fischer NE
Jim Inhofe OK
John Boozman AR
Mike Rounds SD
David Perdue GA
James Lankford OK
Ted Cruz TX
Chuck Grassley IA
Mitch McConnell KY

UNDECIDED:
Pat Toomey PA
John Thune SD
John Cornyn TX

Caution: Naturally, as new information becomes available, these column entries are all subject to being shifted around.
 
I would not be surprised if all of the Maybe and Undecided Senators vote to convict, and even some from the No column also vote to convict.

Trump may very well be our first President ever to be thrown out of office.

He is always bragging that he has done things that have never been done, but he probably won't like this distinction.
 
Nomad said:
It all depends on public opinion and what the polls say.

If a large enough majority of the public digest all this and come to the conclusion that he's finally crossed the line, and that sentiment is consistently reflected in the polls, the GOP will drop him like a gnawed drumstick at a caveman picnic.
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The Democratic Party of the Jackass is setting a very low impeachment standard that will come back to haunt them in November. The new standard; impeachment is based on public opinion.

:rolleyes:
 
Ralph said:
If you are addressing using the "Whistle Blower" fake news story and the phone call between Mr. Trump and the Ukrainian president......you'd better think again. Documentation beats the hell out of propaganda based fake news.
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Leftists aren't smart enough to comprehend the OBVIOUS. ;)
 
Port Tack said:
You even describe the complaint as fake after the president has admitted everything in it.
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Trump never admitted anything of the sort you lying hack. You have brain damage don't you?


The ANONYMOUS FAKE WHISTLEBLOWER'S account was proven false by the actual transcript shit-for-brains. How stupid are you leftists?
 
Jarod said:
It would be very interesting to see how Trump reacts when they tell him he does not have the votes.

Rage would attain a new definition.

But after the rage, does he resign or be removed, and how is he removed after the Senate vote? Forcibly or peacefully?
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Once again; you're delusional outbursts are not connected to reality. The Republican Party, other than a few loons who will lose their elections, will not stand by and allow the Fascists in the Party of the Jackass to usurp the will of the voters because Democrats are mad they lost in 2016.

They will not allow impeachment to go through based on innuendo, hyperbole and the lunatic rantings of morons like Nadler and Schiff.

They will not allow impeachment to go through based on hearsay and a lie filled ANONYMOUS FAKE WHISTLEBLOWER'S claims. ;)
 
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