Palin's Speech

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She talked a lot about her family, especially her military son. Apparently you are only supposed to reference her children for praise.

She says she ran for city council and did not need focus groups or voter profiles. It's 5000 people, gotta be about a 1000 voters. Who freaking ran in that small of an election employing focus groups?

She says she is not a member of the permanent Washington establishment. Your running mate is. Then she goes into more horseshit about how the big bad mean media has it out for her.

She claims McCain will use the power of veto to control the budget. Bush did not and McCain has claimed that he voted with Bush 90% of the time.

She proposed a big government pipeline that is far from yet proving a success.

Most of the speech is a bunch of horseshit without any substance. I am going to do some research, on the few substantive points.

The delivery was pretty good. Better than the Dunce in Chief.
 
Lots of mistruths about Obama's positions.

For instance, saying he's going to do nothing about energy, then talking about she and McSame are going to go after solar and wind, etc. Saying he's going to raise all these taxes and increase the tax burden on American families (cept those that work for a living). Saying he's against drilling. Etc.
 
I was surprised at the tone. She wasn't going after the PUMA's, that's for damned sure.

It was really the red meat express tonight. She & Rudy shredded Obama with everything they had, which included a series of distortions & outright lies, as well as some serious, serious irony (Rudy, the former mayor of NYC, saying Obama ridiculed Palin's small town as not "cosmopolitan" enough, and Palin taking quite a bit of time to tear apart Obama's experience).

This stuff was manna from heaven for hardcores, but I don't know how it plays with indies & swing voters.
 
Onceler said:
This stuff was manna from heaven for hardcores, but I don't know how it plays with indies & swing voters.
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Well, I am still undecided, though McCain certainly will not get my vote. I thought most of it was empty nonsense and throwing stones from a glass house.

It did not move me away or towards Obama.
 
I'm excited about work tomorrow. There are 2 republicans in my office that were both like WTF? When palin was selected and two gals that are moderate to left leaning and I really want to hear what they thought about her speech. I want to know what the indy's and moderates thought.
 
This may be kinda biased, and I know that I am, but when I think of Biden's speech at a similar time last week, I just think it was much more appealing to moderates or undecideds in tone. Biden hit McCain hard, and Palin hit Obama hard, but Biden went down a list that was basically all issues, and the general tone was not disrespectful toward McCain the man.

I think Palin was pretty condescending, and her tone was much more mocking. Same with Rudy (who went a little too far over the edge, imo; I thought some of those moments w/ the whole convention yucking it up bordered on ugly).

Just me, or did anyone else see it that way? I know it's politics, but if I'm undecided, which I haven't been in decades, I think the tone tonight turns me off much more than how the Dems handled their attack dogs...
 
Issues ? Are issues really a part of the republican convention ?

Have they built enough of a platform for a piss ant to stand on ?
 
It's just the common rehashed republican speech that paints democrats as pussies, which usually works quite well, mostly cause it's true ;)
 
Thor said:
String, why are you voting for Obama?
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Not sure I am. If I do it will be because I am too fearful of McCain's warmongering, his attacks on free speech, his hatred of the Constitution or any limits on government power. This guy is the most dangerous major party candidate in my voting life.

McCain is right that he has more experience. But his experience has produced a record of growing the government. If he had not failed so often it would be much worse.
 
I do lose track some of the time about how much i hate mccain and everything he stands for. This election sure has put me in a conundrum. I like hilary more than mccain for christ sakes. I don't even know If I hate obama per se, I just can't stand his idiotic fanboys, and I truly truly want to see peoples hopes and dreams crushed. I want the youth movement to feel utterly isolated, ignored, and powerless. I want everyone that has gotten euphoric with anticipation to be crying on election day...I want money stealing welfare moms killing themselves because they've used up all their hope on obama. I need to laugh at the down trodden.

Im serious btw

O_O
 
Palin claimed Obama "has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform - not even in the state senate." The word "major" is quite subjective and who knows what she means by that, but Obama has been a part of a few significant bills.

While in the Illinois Senate...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama#Legislation

Once elected, Obama gained bipartisan support for legislation reforming ethics and health care laws. He sponsored a law increasing tax credits for low-income workers, negotiated welfare reform, and promoted increased subsidies for childcare. ...in 2003, Obama sponsored and led unanimous, bipartisan passage of legislation to monitor racial profiling by requiring police to record the race of drivers they detained and legislation making Illinois the first state to mandate videotaping of homicide interrogations.

In the US Senate

Lugar and Obama teamed up on a bill to lock down and secure nuclear and convetnional weapons.

Coburn and Obama wrote Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006 which created an online searchable database available to the public to look up government contracts and grants.

Coburn and Obama also worked together on a bill to stop the DHS from issuing no bid contracts for emergency response.

Admittedly, those bills are not as "major" as McCain's successful attack on free speech. Nor are they as "major" as McCain's failed attempts to grant amnesty to illegal immigrants, vastly expand government regulation of healthcare or to effectivley ban gun shows with burdensome regulation. But they are still pretty significant.

Palin claimed Obama would pass massive government tax increases. Obama's tax plan raises taxes on couples making more than 250K or singles making more than 200K and it closes some corporate loopholes. For nearly everyone else it reduces taxes. Overall it is a significant tax increase but Palin exagerated it greatly.
 
Obama was the sole sponsor of 129 bills and resolutions in the US Senate. That's not counting co-sponsored bills or amendments.
 
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Onceler said:
This may be kinda biased, and I know that I am, but when I think of Biden's speech at a similar time last week, I just think it was much more appealing to moderates or undecideds in tone. Biden hit McCain hard, and Palin hit Obama hard, but Biden went down a list that was basically all issues, and the general tone was not disrespectful toward McCain the man.

I think Palin was pretty condescending, and her tone was much more mocking. Same with Rudy (who went a little too far over the edge, imo; I thought some of those moments w/ the whole convention yucking it up bordered on ugly).

Just me, or did anyone else see it that way? I know it's politics, but if I'm undecided, which I haven't been in decades, I think the tone tonight turns me off much more than how the Dems handled their attack dogs...
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I fell asleep, but I have seen some outakes on this morning's news. I think that an unknown going so nasty as their first intro to the people, is a mistake. And the overall tone of the entire convention screams "1992" to me.

I think Obama wins with a couple of states more than expected and when this book is written it will sound a lot like the 92 book - terrible economy, republicans obsess over culture wars, go negative, turn everyone off, people choose the other guy.
 
Nearly all legislation from IL that carried Obama's name was written and pushed through by James Meeks, Obama's 'godfather' in the senate. Meeks literally made Obama's record.
 
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