Socialism Pt 3: Socialism that trump loves

[Bill]

Following the LAW? Allowing Illegals sanctuary while using tax dollars to support the criminals?

That's the problem.....the left is supporting Criminality and destroying our nation simply to garner political power.

The democrats used to be known as the defender of the blue collar workers, now they place ILELGAL immigrants above the working stiffs of this nation that pay for everything while calling them DEPLORABLE.

This is not about opinion its about defending the simple demonstrably reproducible TRUTH. You can't continue to piss down the backs of our citizens while commanding them to be quiet, relax its only rain. .

Ralph, you can call it whatever suits you, I will call it what they call themselves-democrats aka YOU!!!!

We agree 100% on this-they abandon the working/middle class, starting w/ clinton & that yuge sucking sound going south.

I am not a dem like you, I dunno what their real motives are on every issue, but I will most certainly agree it is appearing that they will take for granted the middle/working class again & focus on those attempting to migrate here & an agenda that does not include them. ..

& the term deplorable is really old, you need to upgrade your game here..

I'm guessing you're saying that if the Dems are not going to reach out to them, they are going to reach out to trump again, to which I would also agree..

He raised our taxes to make up for his tax cuts for the rich & then topped it off w/ billions more in taxes for goods produced in CHina.......

None of that will matter if the dems ignore those folks like hillary did........ My 2cents

 

[Ralph]

Ralph, you can call it whatever suits you, I will call it what they call themselves-democrats aka YOU!!!!

We agree 100% on this-they abandon the working/middle class, starting w/ clinton & that yuge sucking sound going south.

I am not a dem like you, I dunno what their real motives are on every issue, but I will most certainly agree it is appearing that they will take for granted the middle/working class again & focus on those attempting to migrate here & an agenda that does not include them. ..

& the term deplorable is really old, you need to upgrade your game here..

I'm guessing you're saying that if the Dems are not going to reach out to them, they are going to reach out to trump again, to which I would also agree..

He raised our taxes to make up for his tax cuts for the rich & then topped it off w/ billions more in taxes for goods produced in CHina.......

None of that will matter if the dems ignore those folks like hillary did........ My 2cents

So….you are demanding that everyone ignore the RULE OF LAW and open the borders? And care for the criminals while ignoring real US CITIZEN'S right to be protected and secure in their own homes? What a surprise. And you justify this with ad hominem bullshit?

As I said, THE PEOPLE can indeed tell the difference between PISS and RAINWATER. Hummmm……. Could this be WHY the democrats lost all 3 branches of government in 2016? Do you really think they are that stupid...that they believe YOUR PROPAGANDA and you are demanding open borders and ignoring the US RULE OF LAW for (wink, wink) "humanitarian reasons" and to protect children.....while your party endorses killing children in the womb? No...THE PEOPLE see through the BULLSHIT and know its all about political power. Its about having a HEAD COUNT in the sanctuary states....a head count that gives them MORE representatives and more federal tax dollars to purchase even more votes.

What is the logic that proves this....the objective and undeniable evidence of this left wing strategy? One simple question on the CENSUS REPORT. The left wing removed the question from the 2010 report via Executive Order. "Are you a citizen of the United States?" Mr. Trump via the same procedure....executive order....attempted to place the question back on the report (a question that had been on the census report, in one form or another, since the inception of census reporting)…..THE LEFT HAD A COW....."I dare you....you damn racist bigot" Really? The only way you can possibly conclude that this is racist is to declare there is put one race of people who ever migrate to the US.....those of skin color other than white, there are no white people in the US that are not US CITIZENS.

This is the problem with YOU extreme leftists.....you assume everyone you address to be mentally inferior and will purchase your bullshit wholesale. But when reason and logic are applied the leftist agenda goes with freedom and liberty like oil mixes with water. You are completely divorced from any cognitive relation in your thought process to REASON and LOGIC......it emotionalism that defines your thought process, when you are confronted with logical and reasonable deduced TRUTH.....you begin to attack people with ad hominem personal attacks attempting to assassinate their character, they are LIARS, BIGOTS, RACISTS, MISOGYNISTS, NAZIS, FASCISTS....yada, yada, yada. You know, everyone knows, THE PEOPLE KNOW.....when this type of attack begins...any debate is over...you have no facts to back up your BULLSHIT. Its like the final buzzer at a sporting event...GAME OVER. I look forward to these attacks.....I fish for them, when they come, I know YOU ARE more than frustrated. And I enjoy a good belly laugh. Its like a snake crawling on its belly, it who you are, its nature, its ingrained into your psyche....all it takes is just a little prompting like the Pavlov Dog and you begin ringing that Alinsky bell.

Don't believe me? Simply look at YOUR RETORTS. CASEBOOK EXAMPLES of ALINSKI 101. Accuse void of any evidence....attack based upon that false accusation as if you declaring it makes it true....when confronted with the actual objective facts in evidence.....DEFLECT and ACCUSE by stating....WELL....G W BUSH did the same thing (again without proof)…...when this deflection does not work....its back to square one...repeating the first accusation in a circular fashion (circular reasoning based upon emotion and an unwillingness to admit to your lies)…..then, as a last resort.....you begin the ad hominem personal attacks while running away, shouting over your left shoulder....as you run …. all the way to your next propaganda thread THAT HAS JUST BEEN PARROTED AND PASTED FROM SOME LEFT LEANING WEBSITE. Its a mob mentality.

 

[Sailor]

May I?

"But if you think the government is pocketing your postage at tax time while they're depositing your tax payment, you'd be wrong. Despite the fact that we think that the Post Office is a government agency, it's not... exactly. By statute, the U.S. Post Office is an "independent establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States. So while the Post Office is privileged under U.S. law (it has a monopoly on the delivery of first-class mail, for example), it's not technically run by the government nor is it funded by taxpayers. In fact, the Postal Service hasn't received federal subsidies from taxpayers for more than 30 years (with limited exceptions related to voting)."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyp...y-but-wont-use-taxpayer-dollars/#70995fda46b5

and

"Zero tax dollars used. The Postal Service receives NO tax dollars for operating expenses and relies on the sale of postage, products and services to fund its operations."
( https://facts.usps.com/top-facts/ )

The last link also provides this interesting fact: "Global business. The Postal Service processes and delivers 47 percent of the world's mail and is constantly innovating to make customer experiences better."

And

"But Congress does give the Postal Service $100 million a year to compensate the agency for revenue loss by providing, at congressional direction, free mailing privileges to blind people and overseas voters, a congressional report noted. The $100 million is less than 1 percent of the Postal Service’s annual budget." (this also includes "franked mail" -- free mailings for our congresscritters to send us information on their doings)

https://www.politifact.com/georgia/...-union/postal-service-claim-not-fully-target/

It is the 18 BILLION dollars a year in subsidies and special treatment with laws and taxes and everything else that taxpayers are paying for. Every article you posted is all in the wording, not the facts. On top of laws protecting the USPS as a monopoly,

It can borrow up to $15 billion from the U.S. Treasury at low interest rates.

It is exempt from state and local sales, income, and property taxes, and from parking tickets, vehicle fees, and other charges.

It pays federal corporate income taxes on its earnings from competitive products, but those taxes are circulated back to the USPS.

It is not bound by local zoning laws, is immune from a range of civil actions, and has the power of eminent domain.

It has government regulatory power, which it can use to impede competitors.

And many more subsidies paid for the by the U.S. taxpayer. Even with that is will lose an additional 7 billion dollars this year. Without Congress supporting the USPS with subsidies, through taxes, it would have folded long ago.

 

[Bill]

So….you are demanding that everyone ignore the RULE OF LAW and open the borders? And care for the criminals while ignoring real US CITIZEN'S right to be protected and secure in their own homes? What a surprise. And you justify this with ad hominem bullshit?.

Maybe you should have read it "before" you opened your mouth & stuck your foot back in it...

I dunno how in the world you could come up w/ such a fucked up conclusion, but hey, that's why your the ralph I guess..

So I am no longer going to waste time dumming it down for you..............

Make of it what you wish........

 

[Eagle_Eye]

May I?

"But if you think the government is pocketing your postage at tax time while they're depositing your tax payment, you'd be wrong. Despite the fact that we think that the Post Office is a government agency, it's not... exactly. By statute, the U.S. Post Office is an "independent establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States. So while the Post Office is privileged under U.S. law (it has a monopoly on the delivery of first-class mail, for example), it's not technically run by the government nor is it funded by taxpayers. In fact, the Postal Service hasn't received federal subsidies from taxpayers for more than 30 years (with limited exceptions related to voting)."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyp...y-but-wont-use-taxpayer-dollars/#70995fda46b5

and

"Zero tax dollars used. The Postal Service receives NO tax dollars for operating expenses and relies on the sale of postage, products and services to fund its operations."
( https://facts.usps.com/top-facts/ )

The last link also provides this interesting fact: "Global business. The Postal Service processes and delivers 47 percent of the world's mail and is constantly innovating to make customer experiences better."

And

"But Congress does give the Postal Service $100 million a year to compensate the agency for revenue loss by providing, at congressional direction, free mailing privileges to blind people and overseas voters, a congressional report noted. The $100 million is less than 1 percent of the Postal Service’s annual budget." (this also includes "franked mail" -- free mailings for our congresscritters to send us information on their doings)

https://www.politifact.com/georgia/...-union/postal-service-claim-not-fully-target/

Well shucks I can't pick on you. My BIL is a retired letter carrier and you are correct about it's funding.

 

[Ralph]

Maybe you should have read it "before" you opened your mouth & stuck your foot back in it...

I dunno how in the world you could come up w/ such a fucked up conclusion, but hey, that's why your the ralph I guess..

So I am no longer going to waste time dumming it down for you..............

Make of it what you wish........

Exactly: No presentation of any factual evidence.....just an ad hominem personal attack because someone called you out on your defense of LAWLESSNESS. Alinsky 101 rules for radicals. FYI: Its against Federal Law to harbor, shield, house or hide criminals in this nation. Anyone that does not go through the port of entry and request legal entry into the US is a criminal under US CODE LAW (8 US CODE & 1325....ILLEGAL ENTRY INTO THE UNITED STATE). Do you deny this CODE LAW EXISTS? If not you are ignoring the RULE OF LAW and supporting criminal activity. Another FYI: US CODE LAW (18 US CODE & 792....harboring and or concealing known criminals). Yet another FYI: concerning "MY" making shit up (US CODE LAW 1907, Title 8 U.S.C. 1324a.....its against federal law to HIRE illegal aliens.)

There are many more US CODE violations: Its illegal to grant a non US resident a permanent Drivers License, allow them to register to vote, count them as US CITIZENS demanding more congressional representation and Federal Aid because of these FAKE numbers. Deportation is the fine if any ILLEGAL ALIEN is caught applying for or using any STATE PERMENANT DRIVERS LICENSE......Under existing US CODE LAW concerning ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. As mentioned above....its against the law for any STATE to say to their citizens, the FEDS can't use a Driver's or PHOTO ID permit to find and/or deport any such criminal act. Thus, Sanctuary States are supporting Criminal ACTS and ignoring the US RULE OF LAW. Why? POLITICAL POWER....to hell with the existing US CITIZENS and immigrants who have followed the RULE OF LAW.....the left places more importance on ILLEGAL ENTRY than protecting the rights and properties of US CITIZENS.

Its not about any humanitarian concern about protecting CHILDREH....hell you endorse the killing of children in the womb for the sake of convenience....its not about feeding and housing the poor immigrants....your party allowed children to go WITHOUT for almost 2 months when Mr. Trump requested extra funds to the feed the overflow of immigrants requesting asylum at the US Border....all to spite Mr. Trump, the children were in danger of going hungry. Finally when the OPTICS of such hatred went viral.....the democrats decided the asylum seekers needed money for food and shelter....after staling for more than 6 weeks. The democrats in congress portrayed these shelters as NAZI CONCENTRATION CAMPS.....when in reality, these (wink, wink) prisoners are totally free to leave anything their little hearts desire and go back across the border, they refuse because they are being feed and sheltered, have clean drinking and bathing water possibly for the first time in their lives, the children are given games to play with, books to be educated, Physicians to treat their illnesses and diseases...SOME CONTENTRATION CAMP.

Do you deny that it was and continues to be the democrat party portraying these CAGES (the one's built and placed by BHO) as Nazi concentration camps? Go ahead....feel free to make more SHIT UP without documenting one source. Go ahead PROVE to me that a question regarding US CITIZENSHIP was not on the census report prior to BHO removing it from the 2010 census report via executive fiat......Prove to me that such a question in one form or another did not preexist the 2010 census report? Go for it....document it. The only reason for demanding such a question be omitted.....some people simply do not want the number of ILLEGAL ALIENS to be counted as such....they want to count them as US CIITENS for political power.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Well shucks I can't pick on you. My BIL is a retired letter carrier and you are correct about it's funding.

Well, of course. lol

I'm not sure why all the anger towards the USPS. If it went away tomorrow, do you think that we could get Fed-Ex or UPS to deliver a birthday card for less than a buck?

Edited to add: They changed their pension system at some point so everyone hired after the late 80s (to the best of my knowledge) is in a differently-structured pension plan than the older ones who are costing them a bundle. As those older ones shuffle off to the Mailbox in the Sky, it's expected that the jillions going for them will decrease.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Well, of course. lol

I'm not sure why all the anger towards the USPS. If it went away tomorrow, do you think that we could get Fed-Ex or UPS to deliver a birthday card for less than a buck?

Edited to add: They changed their pension system at some point so everyone hired after the late 80s (to the best of my knowledge) is in a differently-structured pension plan than the older ones who are costing them a bundle. As those older ones shuffle off to the Mailbox in the Sky, it's expected that the jillions going for them will decrease.

The military has 3 or 4 retirement systems. I'm under the old one TG.

 

[Into the Night]

You do not understand it is the cost of the service.

Never said it wasn't. It is also a tax.

That is so simple.

Are you suggesting that a tax does not cover the cost of a government service?

You are mislabelling or lying about it.

Nope. The Post office is a government service. The stamps are a tax.

When Fed Ex delivers a package is it a tax?

No. Fedex is a private service.

When Fedex takes it to a general location and then they use the PO to deliver to the home, is that a partial tax.

The portion they pay to the post office to deliver the package is a tax. That tax is forwarded to you by Fedex. It is not a partial tax. It is the tax.

Can you make any sense?

I am.

 

[Into the Night]

I don't have to remember when it's in writing, BOY.

It's not in writing, BOY.

 

[Into the Night]

Already answered AND explained why you didn't understand it.

Lie.

It must be tough knowing that someone knows more about you than you're willing to admit.

Quit lying, BOY.

 

[Into the Night]

May I?

"But if you think the government is pocketing your postage at tax time while they're depositing your tax payment, you'd be wrong.

That is exactly what the government is doing. Every time you buy stamps, it's tax time.

Despite the fact that we think that the Post Office is a government agency, it's not... exactly.

It is. Exactly.

By statute, the U.S. Post Office is an "independent establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States.

That makes it part of the government. Exactly.

So while the Post Office is privileged under U.S. law (it has a monopoly on the delivery of first-class mail, for example), it's not technically run by the government nor is it funded by taxpayers.

It is run by the government. Exactly. It is funded solely by taxpayers.

In fact, the Postal Service hasn't received federal subsidies from taxpayers for more than 30 years (with limited exceptions related to voting)."
...deleted Holy Link...

Every stamp you buy is a tax.

and

"Zero tax dollars used.

WRONG. Stamps aren't free (with a few exceptions).

The Postal Service receives NO tax dollars for operating expenses and relies on the sale of postage,

That's a tax. Postage is tax dollars.

products and services to fund its operations."
...deleted redundant link...

It cannot fund itself with it's own services and products!

The last link also provides this interesting fact: "Global business. The Postal Service processes and delivers 47 percent of the world's mail and is constantly innovating to make customer experiences better."

A sales pitch. You get the same thing from any delivery service.

And

"But Congress does give the Postal Service $100 million a year to compensate the agency for revenue loss

Wait...I thought you said taxpayers don't pay the Postal service!

by providing, at congressional direction, free mailing privileges to blind people and overseas voters, a congressional report noted.

The strings attached to the money...of course.

The $100 million is less than 1 percent of the Postal Service’s annual budget."

Irrelevant. 1% is greater than zero. Stamps are also a tax.

(this also includes "franked mail" -- free mailings for our congresscritters to send us information on their doings)
...deleted Holy Link...

One of the exceptions for free stamps I already mentioned.

 

[Into the Night]

Well, of course. lol

I'm not sure why all the anger towards the USPS.

I have none. I only point out that it is government and funded by taxes.

If it went away tomorrow, do you think that we could get Fed-Ex or UPS to deliver a birthday card for less than a buck?

Why would it go away?

 

[CFM]

Lie.

Quit lying, BOY.

That's what someone that has already received an explanation would say.

That's what someone who know I'm a better man would say.

 

[CFM]

It's not in writing, BOY.

Yet it is, Sambo.

 

[Truth Detector]

Yeah, forty years later what in the hell do expect the Heritage to say, and show us where the Heritage plan doesn't include a individual mandate, the one thing the conservatives were so supposedly so angry at in the ACA, in fact it was the argument against Hillary care back in the day, in the article I provided from Forbes both Nyet and Mitch both confirmed such

Even your attempts at deflection are weak

Nothing more than a bunch of moronic opinions arsecheese; you seem to be quite full of them.

 

[Bill]

That's what someone who know I'm a better man would say.

Can't be many of those. ~

 

[Into the Night]

That's what someone that has already received an explanation would say.

What explanation, BOY?

That's what someone who know I'm a better man would say.

You are not the better man, snowflake.

 

[Into the Night]

Yet it is, Sambo.

Lie. Quit lying, BOY.

 

[CFM]

What explanation, BOY?

You are not the better man, snowflake.

The one you ignore.

I'm so far ahead of you, you think you're in first place.