Socialism Pt 3: Socialism that trump loves

[Into the Night]

Any bailout, anything the government does is paid for by capitalism. How dense is anybody claiming otherwise. Nothing socialist about this at all.

Socialism can only exist by theft of wealth. Only capitalism creates wealth. Out of necessity, socialism can only exist by stealing from capitalist sources.

 

[Sailor]

[B]Prove It.[/B] No need to comment on some false narrative you cooked up. Read your own article. They cannot make the case for that claim. They are NOT subsidized by the taxpayer. That's just idiotic.


I guess I can type it slower this time...They are non profit. By law, they are not allowed to profit.

I already did. More than once. Hence you typical liberal meltdown. Expected actually.

 

[Into the Night]

That's good. Please tell your brethren on the right that our bailout of GM et al was not socialism either. Thanks.

Yes it was. The company should have been allowed to fail and go through bankruptcy. Then somebody productive might have bought it.

 

[Althea]

I already did. More than once. Hence you typical liberal meltdown. Expected actually.

No you didn't. You posted 'fake news' from Forbes. You cannot point to any tax dollars going to USPS

 

[Sailor]

Read your own shit for once:



They don't just get to raise prices like Fed Ex/Ups. They have to get approval for postage hikes.

Retirees health benefits have nothing to do with the USPS receiving over 18 Billion dollars a year in subsidies from the U.S. government paid for by taxpayers. Stop trying to spin this. If the government subsidies were stopped, the USPS would be tits up tomorrow.

 

[Into the Night]

Not exactly. During the Great Recession, when we bailed out GM and Chrysler, in exchange for the cash to keep going, the govt. was given stock. When the companies became flush again, they bought the stock back. So basically it was a break even thing, although for a while we the people owned shares of those companies. Although I'm not aware that we the people, in the form of our elected representatives, did anything to exercise control over the companies.... which would be socialism.

In the current case, we are just GIVING the farm corporations money. So this time it's welfare. And it's welfare we are paying in the $billions, because of extremely poor executive decisions by the Bankrupt-in-Chief.

It was socialism. They controlled the companies by direct ownership: communism.

 

[Into the Night]

The government was not given stock. The government purchased it. With capitalist tax dollars. And., they lost our (the taxpayers) shirts.

...and both companies are STILL moldering around in failure.

 

[Sailor]

No you didn't. You posted 'fake news' from Forbes. You cannot point to any tax dollars going to USPS

I already did. More than once. Subsidies, reduced borrowing rates from the U.S. government, etc, etc. You have always have a problem dealing with reality and fact. Democrat politicians rely on people like you.

 

[Althea]

Retirees health benefits have nothing to do with the USPS receiving over 18 Billion dollars a year in subsidies from the U.S. government paid for by taxpayers. Stop trying to spin this. If the government subsidies were stopped, the USPS would be tits up tomorrow.

USPS gets no subsidies. Losses are due in large part to retiree health funding. As your link proves.

 

[Althea]

I already did. More than once. Subsidies, reduced borrowing rates from the U.S. government, etc, etc. You have always have a problem dealing with reality and fact. Democrat politicians rely on people like you.

No subsidies.

 

[Sailor]

No subsidies.

Feel free to prove that with facts and figures. Like I have been. So far from you just your usual whining when you are wrong.

 

[Into the Night]

We recovered most of it. You are correct that we did not recover it all.

Lie.

"All told, the Treasury Department reported that the program cost taxpayers $79.7 billion, of which $70.4 billion was recovered. Under that estimate, the program lost about $9.3 billion. In April, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that the program would end up costing about $14 billion."

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...says-automakers-have-paid-back-all-loans-it-/

They weren't loans.

It is probably impossible to calculate what the cost would have been if we had NOT bailed them out.

Bankruptcy. Someone productive could've bought it.

 

[Althea]

Feel free to prove that with facts and figures. Like I have been. So far from you just your usual whining when you are wrong.

I already did. Your Fortune article even admits to lying.

 

[Sailor]

I already did. Your Fortune article even admits to lying.

I guess anyone that can actually read and comprehend will disagree. As it clearly states what I said. Then of course, there is you. Who knows what the fuck you see.

 

[Into the Night]

Make my point? USPS is NOT funded by the taxpayer.

Yes it is. It is currently an independent agency of the government of the United States. Congress appoints leading officers to the post office.

 

[Into the Night]

Many don't realize the ramifications of allowing the auto industry to fail. Car makers don't manufacture:

The seats

The glass

The bearings/etc.

The steel.


It would have catastrophic effects on many industries. I agree about unions, and UAW made major concessions. Obama was a genius. Unions became shareholders, and were effectively now collectively bargaining against themselves in future labor negotiations.

Ford stock tanked to about $2/share. They survived due to prior agreements with the unions, and the strength of their truck division.

The cars will still be manufactured, just under a different ownership.

 

[Into the Night]

Bank bailouts were loans that the govt. made a profit off of. They did so, because the banks were under strict regulation until they paid their notes. They rushed to pay early.

The banks are STILL under strict regulation. They are essentially part of the Fed and MUST conform to it's regulations.

 

[Into the Night]

Utter hogwash. The USPS receives tax money only for servicing overseas military. They don't receive a dime of taxpayer money otherwise. They lose money on mail delivery because it isn't profitable. No for profit company can service every home/business in the country for the same price.


USPS is funded by postage. Period. The losses cited in the biased Forbes article don't mention Bush's attempt to kill the USPS by forcing them to pre fund retiree health benefits for people who weren't even born yet.

At least you learned something in this thread.

WRONG. The USPS is funded by taxpayers. It is part of the government. Postage is a government tax.

 

[Into the Night]

Soft backpedal. No taxpayer money supports the USPS.

Nothing but taxpayer money supports the USPS. Postage is a government tax too. They are part of the government.

And you're not reading the small print.

Neither are you.

No other entity can deliver mail/package to a business/home MAILBOX.

Irrelevant.

Millions of letters/packages are delivered every day by a number of private companies, at 20 times the cost of USPS.

If they are 20 times the cost of USPS, why are they succeeding?

They're NONPROFIT for fuck's sake

They are government.

 

[Into the Night]

You're not a very good listener or you're too fucking stupid to comprehend.
When you figure out which one, let me know. There aren't any other options.

So you're not going to answer the question put to you, eh? I guess you can't justify your statement then!

You're far from conservative. This profile and your StoneByStone profile are basically the same. If you're going to have multiple accounts, at least try to have them "believe" differently.

You really don't pay attention, do you?