McCain says he could support 16-month Iraq timetable

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McCain in 2007:
http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-30269372_ITM
MCCAIN: In other words, you would see the entire region descend into a chaotic situation with Al Qaida gaining greater and greater foothold. That's what I believe would be the consequence of setting a date for withdrawal.


McCain after getting faced by Obama last week in 2008:

Sen. John McCain could support a 16-month timetable for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq, he told CNN's Larry King Monday night.

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Could we get a little coverage of this from our liberal media, please? I know it might be tough for them to shift their focus from Obama the troop hater, but this would seem to be a pretty compelling flip flop to report on; maybe just a blurb....
 
LadyT said:
McCain in 2007:
http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-30269372_ITM
MCCAIN: In other words, you would see the entire region descend into a chaotic situation with Al Qaida gaining greater and greater foothold. That's what I believe would be the consequence of setting a date for withdrawal.


McCain after getting faced by Obama last week in 2008:

Sen. John McCain could support a 16-month timetable for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq, he told CNN's Larry King Monday night.

Click here to read more about flip flopping McCain
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Yeah, this is probably the most direct he has been on supporting this. He has been hinting at it ever since Malikis comments.

Good thing the surge strategy worked... otherwise the situation would likely be the same or worse than it was in 2007 and the discussion about when to leave would still be absurd. :cool:

Too bad Obama was "rooting for the failure of the surge". :rolleyes:
 
Onceler said:
Could we get a little coverage of this from our liberal media, please? I know it might be tough for them to shift their focus from Obama the troop hater, but this would seem to be a pretty compelling flip flop to report on; maybe just a blurb....
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There’s a clip of McCain, right around the time we went into Iraq, on Hardball, announcing to Matthews that “there is no history of fighting or bad blood between the shia and the sunni”.

Have you seen it? I’ve seen it once. This guy is the biggest fraud perpetuated upon the American people in my personal lifetime. I don’t recall Bush running as the commander in chief, ready on day one, big foreign policy expert.

John McCain literally does not know his ass from a hole in the ground, on foreign policy. And since that is the only thing he claims to know anything about, it can be said, with confidence, that John McCain does not know his ass from a hole in the ground on any issue of our day. He may become President anyway. The media is reluctant to report on it because John McCain was a POW. The situation is outrageous and dangerous. It’s not going to change.
 
Man, you really get a sense of how self-conscious & incredibly wrong these idiots have felt since 2003. You get a modest success in improving security, and suddenly they can do no wrong; it's all surge, all the time.

What's next? Bumper stickers saying "John McCain: he was right on the surge"? Maybe they could do a surge-themed convention, where they only bring in half of the people until the last few days, and then flood the arena with the rest?

Maybe he could change his name to "McSurge," just so people don't forget how right he was?
 
Superfreak said:
Yeah, this is probably the most direct he has been on supporting this. He has been hinting at it ever since Malikis comments.

Good thing the surge strategy worked... otherwise the situation would likely be the same or worse than it was in 2007 and the discussion about when to leave would still be absurd. :cool:

Too bad Obama was "rooting for the failure of the surge". :rolleyes:
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Ahhhh......nice attempt to deflect the issue at hand. I see you've been following your republican play book that was distributed earlier in the summer: when faced with pwnership deflect to the surge.

I'm not indulging you.

Lets get back to the issue at hand:
Obama (we'll call him Alpha dog) has framed the argument and McCain is bowing down to his plan like the beta dog he is and has been ever since Bush got into office. Face it. McCain's 'foresight' on this occupation has been flawed from the beginning and has not changed, and we can't expect it to if he's elected by the same fcking retards that elected Bush.

I saw a great commercial on Msnbc today.

There was an Iraqi Vet (I think), saying (effectively) that the Iraqi gov't wants us to leave, so we should go. That's the 'democracy' we fought for, so now we shoudl respect it. He ended by saying ~ "senator, I expected you to understand that". Well it was a lot better than what I wrote and more dramatic.

It was a great commercial.
 
Superfreak said:
Yeah, this is probably the most direct he has been on supporting this. He has been hinting at it ever since Malikis comments.

Good thing the surge strategy worked... otherwise the situation would likely be the same or worse than it was in 2007 and the discussion about when to leave would still be absurd. :cool:

Too bad Obama was "rooting for the failure of the surge". :rolleyes:
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Here is SF. Other than Cawacko, probably the best JPP exhibit of a victim of the marketing campaign that turned a dangerous fruitcake with zero foreign policy knowledge, into an expert.

Others, like Bravo and Thornicus, are simply mad, hateful, and looking to kill. SF and Cawacko are stooges. Victims.

It’s just so sad.
 
Darla said:
There’s a clip of McCain, right around the time we went into Iraq, on Hardball, announcing to Matthews that “there is no history of fighting or bad blood between the shia and the sunni”.

Have you seen it? I’ve seen it once. This guy is the biggest fraud perpetuated upon the American people in my personal lifetime. I don’t recall Bush running as the commander in chief, ready on day one, big foreign policy expert.

John McCain literally does not know his ass from a hole in the ground, on foreign policy. And since that is the only thing he claims to know anything about, it can be said, with confidence, that John McCain does not know his ass from a hole in the ground on any issue of our day. He may become President anyway. The media is reluctant to report on it because John McCain was a POW. The situation is outrageous and dangerous. It’s not going to change.
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I have not seen this, but it doesn't surprise me. He's made one mistatement after another on foreign policy & the Middle East - the latest was that Iraq bordered Pakistan.

Like you said, he gets foreign policy cred for being a POW. That's America for you. Dixie had a thread the other day saying "Can you imagine if McCain had said this?" about a pretty inconsequential gaffe from Obama on Israel. It's the opposite; McCain is getting a free pass on a lot of this because of who he is, while Obama gets the microscope.
 
Darla said:
Here is SF. Other than Cawacko, probably the best JPP exhibit of a victim of the marketing campaign that turned a dangerous fruitcake with zero foreign policy knowledge, into an expert.

Others, like Bravo and Thornicus, are simply mad, hateful, and looking to kill. SF and Cawacko are stooges. Victims.

It’s just so sad.
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LOL... wow, off one question to a European guy? And you didn't tell me where you disagreed with anything I said.
 
Onceler said:
Man, you really get a sense of how self-conscious & incredibly wrong these idiots have felt since 2003. You get a modest success in improving security, and suddenly they can do no wrong; it's all surge, all the time.

What's next? Bumper stickers saying "John McCain: he was right on the surge"? Maybe they could do a surge-themed convention, where they only bring in half of the people until the last few days, and then flood the arena with the rest?

Maybe he could change his name to "McSurge," just so people don't forget how right he was?
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Don't indulge him. I've noticed that with every issue that comes up, all they do is divert the thread to talk about the surge. Its the only thing they can cling to.
 
LadyT said:
Don't indulge him. I've noticed that with every issue that comes up, all they do is divert the thread to talk about the surge. Its the only thing they can cling to.
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Don’t underestimate SF.

He can also divert this onto abortion. Give him a minute.

He’s packing quite an arsenal.
 
LadyT said:
Don't indulge him. I've noticed that with every issue that comes up, all they do is divert the thread to talk about the surge. Its the only thing they can cling to.
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If you were a candidate that's what you promote about yourself. Obama argues he was correct and made the right judgement about the Iraq War. He shows it as his ability to lead and have the judgement needed to be CIC. So of course he emphasizes that as he should.

If your McCain you would promote that you supported the surge when it was unpopular at a low point during the war and it has worked. You would use that to point to your judgement.

Everyone seems so on edge and angry on this board. If you were either of the candidates would you not promote those positions above?
 
LadyT said:
Don't indulge him. I've noticed that with every issue that comes up, all they do is divert the thread to talk about the surge. Its the only thing they can cling to.
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LMAO.... yeah, because it is a diversion to discuss what got Iraq to the point that we can legitimately talk about withdrawal.

You talk about existence of a playbook???? You mean the one the Obama camp has apparently distributed to his worshipers that states no one should acknowledge the surge and should pretend that at best it was a 'modest success'? The one that states 'no matter what Obama was right...despite the fact that he was wrong in proposing a timed withdrawal at the height of violence in Iraq?'

Is THAT the playbook in which you reference?

Side note... If you hadn't noticed... the " :cool:" and the ":rolleyes:" were there to indicate I was jerking your chain a bit.
 
cawacko said:
LOL... wow, off one question to a European guy? And you didn't tell me where you disagreed with anything I said.
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You know, I think that during the days that I was gone, you got used to happy-assing around here, posting whatever crapola you pulled out of your butt that day.

Well, the party’s over, so suck it up. Don’t expect me to apologize for interrupting your conversation with the “European guy”, no matter how much you whine about it.
 
cawacko said:
If you were a candidate that's what you promote about yourself. Obama argues he was correct and made the right judgement about the Iraq War. He shows it as his ability to lead and have the judgement needed to be CIC. So of course he emphasizes that as he should.

If your McCain you would promote that you supported the surge when it was unpopular at a low point during the war and it has worked. You would use that to point to your judgement.

Everyone seems so on edge and angry on this board. If you were either of the candidates would you not promote those positions above?
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So, do you agree that he's completely flipped flopped or not?
 
Superfreak said:
LMAO.... yeah, because it is a diversion to discuss what got Iraq to the point that we can legitimately talk about withdrawal.

You talk about existence of a playbook???? You mean the one the Obama camp has apparently distributed to his worshipers that states no one should acknowledge the surge and should pretend that at best it was a 'modest success'? The one that states 'no matter what Obama was right...despite the fact that he was wrong in proposing a timed withdrawal at the height of violence in Iraq?'

Is THAT the playbook in which you reference?

Side note... If you hadn't noticed... the " :cool:" and the ":rolleyes:" were there to indicate I was jerking your chain a bit.
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I know. But I'm staying focused today. This thread is about McCain's complete flip flop, his tendency to be nothing more than a follower, and his public facing by Obama's warm welcome and foreign policy success overseas. McCain hasn't had a trip overseas with that much success in his entire life. That's saying a lot since he's 110.
 
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