Five Things I Learned From the Mueller Report

what?

incorrect. Mueller subsumed the FBI counterintelligence probe as well.
it was a bastardization of both because it was an SC. The article is riddled with inaccuracies ( typical of the Atlantic)

Recall that Trump wasn’t a subject of a criminal investigation at the time Mullet subsumed the Russian counterintelligence investigation. Or at least that is what Comey was telling Trump at the time the media hacks were suggesting otherwise.

Also recall that the 6/17 Rosenstein memo that authorized the Mullet investigation *failed to name* a specific crime.

So the OP writer is ‘full stop’ wrong that it started out as a criminal investigation. Maybe it was made into one by the Rosenstein 8/17 memo—but no one has seen that because it’s heavily redacted. So the writer is guessing.

What the Mullet investigation turned out to be was a crime search. And it was only a marginally successful one at that.
 
Why? I have read the United States v. Nixon several times. There can be no obstruction when there is no underlying crime in relation to firing, or talking about firing anyone......its a Constitutional Authority granted to the executive branch and specifically to the POTUS. Even a president is still protected via the Bill of Rights....regardless of "executive privilege". Under the US RULE OF LAW you cannot convey a hearing in order to look for a crime to charge. Mueller has already concluded that a crime was not committed....but he could not exonerate. Why could he not exonerate...you can't exonerate someone of a crime that was never demonstrated to have happened. The evidence either convicts or exonerates.....it can't do both at the same instance (according to the law of the excluded middle).

You didn't conclude anything....but you via proxy just posted this false premise conclusion...right...err...left? What's most amusing is the fact that you are attempting to distance yourself via using the same method that you are declaring (via proxy) convicts our POTUS of obstruction. Funny as hell. :laugh:

You read US v. Nixon and are applying it to the Mueller report? *incredulous look*

If you're too slow or lazy to read the reports and opinions that actually apply to trump, you don't belong in this discussion.
 
which Republicans? Not Trump nor Rubio not any of therm

You support Trump, you run cover for Trump, you make excuse for Trump, then you are just as pro-KGB and pro-Kremlin as Trump.

The Kremlin, ex-KGB spymaster Putin, and the Russian state security services have made crystal clear through both deed and act that they prefer the Republicans to the Democrats.
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They're going to pick and choose what they take from the articles. They'll support the parts about no collusion and disregard the rest.
There's a lot we don't know yet. Facts:

At least two members of trump's campaign have strong ties to Russia. Both are either doing jail time, or awaiting sentencing. There's no question there was collusion. trump seems to be personally insulated, but only because he had documents/emails destroyed.

Oh, the irony.
 
I learned that all those decades of conservatives calling liberals pro-Kremlin was all just a bunch of psychological projection.

The Kremlin has made it known that it prefers the GOP,
and the Republican Party is unequivocally pro-KGB, pro-Kremlin, and pro-Putin.

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Obama was more flexible after the election
 
You support Trump, you run cover for Trump, you make excuse for Trump, then you are just as pro-KGB and pro-Kremlin as Trump.

The Kremlin, ex-KGB spymaster Putin, and the Russian state security services have made crystal clear through both deed and act that they prefer the Republicans to the Democrats.
they were anti-Hillary, and they wanted better relations with the USA which Trump promised to explore.
where's the crime in that?
 
Recall that Trump wasn’t a subject of a criminal investigation at the time Mullet subsumed the Russian counterintelligence investigation. Or at least that is what Comey was telling Trump at the time the media hacks were suggesting otherwise.

Also recall that the 6/17 Rosenstein memo that authorized the Mullet investigation *failed to name* a specific crime.

So the OP writer is ‘full stop’ wrong that it started out as a criminal investigation. Maybe it was made into one by the Rosenstein 8/17 memo—but no one has seen that because it’s heavily redacted. So the writer is guessing.

What the Mullet investigation turned out to be was a crime search. And it was only a marginally successful one at that.

That's right -I forgot
there was NO UNDERLYING CRIME MENTIONED SO IT COULD NOT BE A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION,
plus it subsumed the FBI counter -intel investigation
In practicality of course it was an unfettered witch hunt
 
Here are some highlights of the Mueller report from a legal journalist. It's a long article and worth reading and considering all of Wittes' points, not just the Russia ones.

A careful reading of the dense documents delivers some urgent insights.

"I spent the week after the release of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report going through it section by section and writing a kind of diary of the endeavor. My goal was less to summarize the report than to force myself to think about each factual, legal, and analytical portion of Mueller’s discussion, which covers a huge amount of ground. Here are five conclusions I drew from the exercise:

The president committed crimes.
Mueller does not accuse the president of crimes. He doesn’t have to. But the facts he recounts describe criminal behavior. They describe criminal behavior even if we allow the president’s—and the attorney general’s—argument that facially valid exercises of presidential authority cannot be obstructions of justice. They do this because they describe obstructive activity that does not involve facially valid exercises of presidential power at all.

The president also committed impeachable offenses.
Crimes and impeachable offenses are not the same thing, though they are overlapping categories. Some of the most obviously impeachable offenses described in the Mueller report are likely criminal as well. Some may not be. If I were a member of Congress, I would be thinking about which portions of the report describe, in my opinion, the most unacceptable abuses of power. A few stand out to me.

Trump was not complicit in the Russian social-media conspiracy.
Separating the wheat from the chaff is important, so let’s do so. While Trump has a great deal to answer for, Mueller unambiguously clears him—clears in the true sense of the word—of involvement in Russian efforts to interfere in the U.S. election by means of the Internet Research Agency’s social-media campaign.

Trump’s complicity in the Russian hacking operation and his campaign’s contacts with the Russians present a more complicated picture.
No, Mueller does not appear to have developed evidence that anyone associated with the Trump campaign was involved in the hacking operation itself. And no, the investigation did not find a criminal conspiracy in the veritable blizzard of contacts between Trumpworld and the Russians. But this is an ugly story for Trump.

Here’s the key point: If there wasn’t collusion on the hacking, it sure wasn’t for lack of trying. Indeed, the Mueller report makes clear that Trump personally ordered an attempt to obtain Hillary Clinton’s emails; and people associated with the campaign pursued this believing they were dealing with Russian hackers. Trump also personally engaged in discussions about coordinating public-relations strategy around WikiLeaks releases of hacked emails.

The counterintelligence dimensions of the entire affair remain a mystery.
Because the Mueller investigation was born out of a counterintelligence investigation, there has been an enduring impression that it had both criminal and counterintelligence elements. I have assumed this myself at times. How these two very different missions integrated within the Mueller probe has been much discussed.The Mueller report answers this question, and the answer is actually striking—and from my point of view alarming: The Mueller investigation was a criminal probe. Full stop.It was not a counterintelligence probe. Mueller both says this directly and also describes how the counterintelligence equities were handled.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/04/ben-wittes-five-conclusions-mueller-report/588259/


What is more disturbing is that our Attorney General thinks its okay, if you're running for President and know that the Russians are hacking your political opponent to simply do nothing and enjoy the rewards the hacking delivers.

Like if Coke got wind that the Russians were about to put poison in Pepsi, AG Barr apparently think's Coke's responsibility is to sit there and enjoy the uptick in sales.

It's a disgusting and shockingly cruel set of principles that Trump has brought to our politics.
 
That's right -I forgot there was NO UNDERLYING CRIME MENTIONED SO IT COULD NOT BE A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION,plus is subsumed the FBI counter -intel investigation
In practicality of course it was an unfettered witch hunt

Obstruction doesn't require an underlying crime.

You should really lay off the meth before posting.

It was a full legal investigation, signed off on by the POTUS's personal appointment and approved by judges all the way down the line.

You should really lay off the meth before posting.
 
they were anti-Hillary, and they wanted better relations with the USA which Trump promised to explore.
where's the crime in that?

There is written proof on this forum of Republican posters cheering for a hostile government and the Kremlin to run an intelligence operation on our soil to try to help sway the election to Trump.

Trump went on national TV and said he took Putin's word over our own intelligence agencies.

Trump goes out of his way to bad mouth long time allies, but he goes out of his way to kiss Putin's ass.

I have zero doubt that you have stood on the sidelines cheering for Trump as his Kremlin and KGB buddies tries to help him win an American election.

That makes you just as pro-KGB and pro-Kremlin as Trump. You are never, ever, under any circumstances allowed any longer to claim that liberals were ever pro-Kremlin or soft on Russia.
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Here are some highlights of the Mueller report from a legal journalist. It's a long article and worth reading and considering all of Wittes' points, not just the Russia ones.

A careful reading of the dense documents delivers some urgent insights.

"I spent the week after the release of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report going through it section by section and writing a kind of diary of the endeavor. My goal was less to summarize the report than to force myself to think about each factual, legal, and analytical portion of Mueller’s discussion, which covers a huge amount of ground. Here are five conclusions I drew from the exercise:

The president committed crimes.
Mueller does not accuse the president of crimes. He doesn’t have to. But the facts he recounts describe criminal behavior. They describe criminal behavior even if we allow the president’s—and the attorney general’s—argument that facially valid exercises of presidential authority cannot be obstructions of justice. They do this because they describe obstructive activity that does not involve facially valid exercises of presidential power at all.

The president also committed impeachable offenses.
Crimes and impeachable offenses are not the same thing, though they are overlapping categories. Some of the most obviously impeachable offenses described in the Mueller report are likely criminal as well. Some may not be. If I were a member of Congress, I would be thinking about which portions of the report describe, in my opinion, the most unacceptable abuses of power. A few stand out to me.

Trump was not complicit in the Russian social-media conspiracy.
Separating the wheat from the chaff is important, so let’s do so. While Trump has a great deal to answer for, Mueller unambiguously clears him—clears in the true sense of the word—of involvement in Russian efforts to interfere in the U.S. election by means of the Internet Research Agency’s social-media campaign.

Trump’s complicity in the Russian hacking operation and his campaign’s contacts with the Russians present a more complicated picture.
No, Mueller does not appear to have developed evidence that anyone associated with the Trump campaign was involved in the hacking operation itself. And no, the investigation did not find a criminal conspiracy in the veritable blizzard of contacts between Trumpworld and the Russians. But this is an ugly story for Trump.

Here’s the key point: If there wasn’t collusion on the hacking, it sure wasn’t for lack of trying. Indeed, the Mueller report makes clear that Trump personally ordered an attempt to obtain Hillary Clinton’s emails; and people associated with the campaign pursued this believing they were dealing with Russian hackers. Trump also personally engaged in discussions about coordinating public-relations strategy around WikiLeaks releases of hacked emails.

The counterintelligence dimensions of the entire affair remain a mystery.
Because the Mueller investigation was born out of a counterintelligence investigation, there has been an enduring impression that it had both criminal and counterintelligence elements. I have assumed this myself at times. How these two very different missions integrated within the Mueller probe has been much discussed.The Mueller report answers this question, and the answer is actually striking—and from my point of view alarming: The Mueller investigation was a criminal probe. Full stop.It was not a counterintelligence probe. Mueller both says this directly and also describes how the counterintelligence equities were handled.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/04/ben-wittes-five-conclusions-mueller-report/588259/
Excellent article, thanks
 
There is written proof on this forum of Republican posters cheering for a hostile government and the Kremlin to run an intelligence operation on our soil to try to help sway the election to Trump.

Trump went on national TV and said he took Putin's word over our own intelligence agencies.

Trump goes out of his way to bad mouth long time allies, but he goes out of his way to kiss Putin's ass.

I have zero doubt that you have stood on the sidelines cheering for Trump as his Kremlin and KGB buddies tries to help him win an American election.

That makes you just as pro-KGB and pro-Kremlin as Trump. You are never, ever, under any circumstances allowed any longer to claim that liberals were ever pro-Kremlin or soft on Russia.
absurd. Hell I don't take our INTEL agencies word either -they have been show to be rabidly anti-Russian ,
and have plotted to take out Trump. If I were Trump i would have serious doubts about any of their conclusions.

what "intelligence operation?" FB ads? Internet Research Agency? what? those are remote operations
not on our soil
They are so miniscule they are almost laughable we would spend 2 years and completely interrupt our government chasing bots.

You posts reeks of Russiaphobic drama - you should know better then the ominous tone.

Trump confront states like Germany for not paying their NATO share, and the EU for trade barriers -
should he not represent US interests?

I have zero doubt that you have stood on the sidelines cheering for Trump as his Kremlin and KGB buddies tries to help him win an American election.
this is no KGB.
I believe Assange that the wiki was an inside job and not done with " an arm of the Russian GRU"
or that 'Russian cutout' crap.
notably Mueller would not even try to interview Assange or wiki or the seize the DNC server for FBI forensics
 
Here are some highlights of the Mueller report from a legal journalist. It's a long article and worth reading and considering all of Wittes' points, not just the Russia ones.

A careful reading of the dense documents delivers some urgent insights.

"I spent the week after the release of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report going through it section by section and writing a kind of diary of the endeavor. My goal was less to summarize the report than to force myself to think about each factual, legal, and analytical portion of Mueller’s discussion, which covers a huge amount of ground. Here are five conclusions I drew from the exercise:

The president committed crimes.
Mueller does not accuse the president of crimes. He doesn’t have to. But the facts he recounts describe criminal behavior. They describe criminal behavior even if we allow the president’s—and the attorney general’s—argument that facially valid exercises of presidential authority cannot be obstructions of justice. They do this because they describe obstructive activity that does not involve facially valid exercises of presidential power at all.

The president also committed impeachable offenses.
Crimes and impeachable offenses are not the same thing, though they are overlapping categories. Some of the most obviously impeachable offenses described in the Mueller report are likely criminal as well. Some may not be. If I were a member of Congress, I would be thinking about which portions of the report describe, in my opinion, the most unacceptable abuses of power. A few stand out to me.

Trump was not complicit in the Russian social-media conspiracy.
Separating the wheat from the chaff is important, so let’s do so. While Trump has a great deal to answer for, Mueller unambiguously clears him—clears in the true sense of the word—of involvement in Russian efforts to interfere in the U.S. election by means of the Internet Research Agency’s social-media campaign.

Trump’s complicity in the Russian hacking operation and his campaign’s contacts with the Russians present a more complicated picture.
No, Mueller does not appear to have developed evidence that anyone associated with the Trump campaign was involved in the hacking operation itself. And no, the investigation did not find a criminal conspiracy in the veritable blizzard of contacts between Trumpworld and the Russians. But this is an ugly story for Trump.

Here’s the key point: If there wasn’t collusion on the hacking, it sure wasn’t for lack of trying. Indeed, the Mueller report makes clear that Trump personally ordered an attempt to obtain Hillary Clinton’s emails; and people associated with the campaign pursued this believing they were dealing with Russian hackers. Trump also personally engaged in discussions about coordinating public-relations strategy around WikiLeaks releases of hacked emails.

The counterintelligence dimensions of the entire affair remain a mystery.
Because the Mueller investigation was born out of a counterintelligence investigation, there has been an enduring impression that it had both criminal and counterintelligence elements. I have assumed this myself at times. How these two very different missions integrated within the Mueller probe has been much discussed.The Mueller report answers this question, and the answer is actually striking—and from my point of view alarming: The Mueller investigation was a criminal probe. Full stop.It was not a counterintelligence probe. Mueller both says this directly and also describes how the counterintelligence equities were handled.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/04/ben-wittes-five-conclusions-mueller-report/588259/

So Mueller finds no evidence of collusion, but this guy somehow reads the mind of Mueller and says, Mueller actually found evidence of it.

:rofl2:
 
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