Trump defends ‘a great general’ who fought against the U.S.: Robert E. Lee

[dukkha]

That doesn't take away the fact that he was a great general.

I doubt the critics of Lee looked at what he accomplished after the war, and how the Unites States looked at him post-civil war.
https://www.virginiahistory.org/col...ginia-history-explorer/robert-e-lee-after-war
Lee arrived in Lexington in mid-September 1865 and went to work immediately. Over the next five years, Washington College grew physically and financially: the faculty increased in size from four to twenty, enrollment grew from fifty to nearly 400 students, and financial contributions poured in from both southern and northern sources. Lee's personal involvement with many of his students reflected his desire to create a new generation of Americans.
In response to the bitterness of a Confederate widow, Lee wrote, "Dismiss from your mind all sectional feeling, and bring [your children] up to be Americans."

https://www.pbs.org/opb/historydetectives/feature/lee-after-the-war/

Lee's own desire to become an American citizen fell victim to fate. His oath of allegiance was misplaced, and he was still considered a guest in his own country when he died of heart failure on October 12, 1870. Lee's oath was only discovered 100 years later in the National Archives.

On August 5, 1975, at a ceremony at Arlington House, President Gerald Ford called Lee an example to succeeding generations and had his citizenship restored. He is buried on the grounds of the former Washington College, now known as Washington and Lee University.

 

[dukkha]

And oh, the irony of that.

They are projecting when they accuse Trump of dividing the country and this is a perfect example of it. Saying Robert E. Lee was a great general would elicit yawns as little as 5-6 years ago. Bloody hell, Lee WAS a great general.

As Trump alluded to, military people still study his tactics to this day. But the left has gone full-fascist with their mindless PC crap.

the worse part is we are engaging in what can only be called a Cultural Revolution
(like China under Mao) so future generations won't even be exposed to our history.
The only monuments to the men who fought will be found in Gettysburg, and battlefields -and the way things are going....maybe not

 

[Darth Omar]

From the Guardian article:

But, as Downs shows in his book, Sick From Freedom, the reality of emancipation during the chaos of war and its bloody aftermath often fell brutally short of that positive image. Instead, freed slaves were often neglected by union soldiers or faced rampant disease, including horrific outbreaks of smallpox and cholera. Many of them simply starved to death.

After combing through obscure records, newspapers and journals Downs believes that about a quarter of the four million freed slaves either died or suffered from illness between 1862 and 1870. He writes in the book that it can be considered "the largest biological crisis of the 19th century" and yet it is one that has been little investigated by contemporary historians.

Downs believes much of that is because at the time of the civil war, which raged between 1861 and 1865 and pitted the unionist north against the confederate south, many people did not want to investigate the tragedy befalling the freed slaves. Many northerners were little more sympathetic than their southern opponents when it came to the health of the freed slaves and anti-slavery abolitionists feared the disaster would prove their critics right.

Much of that was predictable, if you think about it.

By and large, slave owners considered their slaves to be a valuable commodity. [I’m not stopping to virtue signal by commenting on the perversity of it lol] So it would make absolutely no sense to starve them, work them to death or even separate them from their families.

Just the opposite, in fact. The smart slave owners would want their slaves to be well fed so they could get the most out them. Obviously, there were exceptions but as a general rule black slaves were sufficiently housed and fed—otherwise, they wouldn’t last very long as slaves.

So slavery ends with the South losing the war and all of a sudden the slaves are turned loose to fend for themselves. Think about that: many of them grew up never having to worry about where their next meal was coming from and over night everything changed.

I’d say the outcome was both tragic—and quite predictable.

 

[JPF]

I doubt the critics of Lee looked at what he accomplished after the war, and how the Unites States looked at him post-civil war.
https://www.virginiahistory.org/col...ginia-history-explorer/robert-e-lee-after-war
Lee arrived in Lexington in mid-September 1865 and went to work immediately. Over the next five years, Washington College grew physically and financially: the faculty increased in size from four to twenty, enrollment grew from fifty to nearly 400 students, and financial contributions poured in from both southern and northern sources. Lee's personal involvement with many of his students reflected his desire to create a new generation of Americans.
In response to the bitterness of a Confederate widow, Lee wrote, "Dismiss from your mind all sectional feeling, and bring [your children] up to be Americans."

https://www.pbs.org/opb/historydetectives/feature/lee-after-the-war/

Lee's own desire to become an American citizen fell victim to fate. His oath of allegiance was misplaced, and he was still considered a guest in his own country when he died of heart failure on October 12, 1870. Lee's oath was only discovered 100 years later in the National Archives.

On August 5, 1975, at a ceremony at Arlington House, President Gerald Ford called Lee an example to succeeding generations and had his citizenship restored. He is buried on the grounds of the former Washington College, now known as Washington and Lee University.

Good stuff there.

I would simply say that he fought to overthrow our nation. Sorry…but that’s game over.
As for his General-ship? Seems like he would have won more than he did if he was so masterful. Just my opinion.

 

[RB 60]

Good stuff there.

I would simply say that he fought to overthrow our nation. Sorry…but that’s game over.
As for his General-ship? Seems like he would have won more than he did if he was so masterful. Just my opinion.

Some of the world's prolific military leaders lost, yet their tactics are taught in military colleges. Why might that be?

 

[cancel2 2022]

Much of that was predictable, if you think about it.

By and large, slave owners considered their slaves to be a valuable commodity. [I’m not stopping to virtue signal by commenting on the perversity of it lol] So it would make absolutely no sense to starve them, work them to death or even separate them from their families.

Just the opposite, in fact. The smart slave owners would want their slaves to be well fed so they could get the most out them. Obviously, there were exceptions but as a general rule black slaves were sufficiently housed and fed—otherwise, they wouldn’t last very long as slaves.

So slavery ends with the South losing the war and all of a sudden the slaves are turned loose to fend for themselves. Think about that: many of them grew up never having to worry about where their next meal was coming from and over night everything changed.

I’d say the outcome was both tragic—and quite predictable.

Yes slaves were a valuable commodity, it made little sense to beat and starve them to death. Many slaves died after the war because the North no longer needed or cared about them, anti-abolitionists tried to cover that up for fear it would reflect badly on them.

 

[JPF]

Some of the world's prolific military leaders lost, yet their tactics are taught in military colleges. Why might that be?

The tactics are likely derivative of their own experiences. Attributing “greatness” to anyone is pretty foolish; especially in an enterprise as nuanced as warfare. What works on Tuesday when it’s bright and sunny may not work on Thursday when it’s wet and rainy. What works on Monday after your opponent marched 30 miles to fight may not work on Friday when they are well rested and dug in. What works in commanding one set of troops may not work in commanding a different set of troops.

 

[cancel2 2022]

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[cancel2 2022]

Some of the world's prolific military leaders lost, yet their tactics are taught in military colleges. Why might that be?

Indeed, Hannibal, Napoleon, Rommel, Yamamoto and Dönitz spring to mind.

 

[dukkha]

Good stuff there.

I would simply say that he fought to overthrow our nation. Sorry…but that’s game over.
As for his General-ship? Seems like he would have won more than he did if he was so masterful. Just my opinion.

simple is your operative word there. Lee won many battles -his arrogance though cost him at Gettsyburg.
But it was an inevitable climax.

It's ( almost) a cartoonish view that Lee fought to overthrow the nation, considering he fought for Virginia,
Back then it was called "these United States" / not "the United States"

 

[RB 60]

The tactics are likely derivative of their own experiences. Attributing “greatness” to anyone is pretty foolish; especially in an enterprise as nuanced as warfare. What works on Tuesday when it’s bright and sunny may not work on Thursday when it’s wet and rainy. What works on Monday after your opponent marched 30 miles to fight may not work on Friday when they are well rested and dug in. What works in commanding one set of troops may not work in commanding a different set of troops.

"especially in an enterprise as nuanced as warfare"?

What the hell do you mean by that?

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To think the difference between 68 and 72 degrees or if it's raining or sunny is trivial when planning larger scale military strategies, although it can be at the point of implementing them.
So yes, a bombing raid might be postponed because of weather, but the raid will be primarily executed as previously planned.

There are a few other articles with different choices, but this is an interesting read on notable military strategists.

https://historycollection.co/ten-greatest-military-tacticians-history/

 

[Ralph]

(CNN)After former Vice President Joe Biden used the violence in Charlottesville to frame his presidential campaign launch on Thursday, President Trump shot back, defending his controversial claim that there were "very fine people" on both sides of the white-supremacist rally that ended with the death of Heather Heyer and a helicopter crash that killed two police officers.

"I was talking about people that went because they felt very strongly about the monument to Robert E. Lee," Trump said in answer to a reporter's question on Friday. "People there were protesting the taking down of the monument to Robert E. Lee. Everybody knows that."

Trump's decision to double-down on his "very fine people" comments, more than a year and a half after the deadly Unite the Right rally, was particularly shocking -- because of everything that has happened since. Investigations have made clear that the rallygoers engaged in coordinated acts of political violence, including the torchlight rally on August 11, 2017, in which they chanted "Jews will not replace us" before attacking anti-racist demonstrators on the grounds of the University of Virginia. And subsequent massacres in the United States and abroad have shown how deadly their ideology continues to be.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/26/opin...-comments-after-biden-video-hemmer/index.html

Nothing like a good ole fashioned FASCIST "BOOK BURNING"....err......statue destruction. Don't ya just love the smell of fascism in the morning? Everyone knows the 1st amendment does not apply when you are attempting to silence hate speech through force....even revising historical hate. Duh! The problem? The truth this book burning is attempting to remove from history is the fact that 100% of all salve owners were DEMOCRATS. They are attempting to remove the "reflection" in these historical mirrors. As if removing the mirror removes the physical self from view.

The real question? What makes these violent THUGS assume they have the right...err....left to destroy the property of the people who actually own these properties (the Citizens)? The one's they are calling violent? The one's that were attempting to protect their public property with its historical reality reflection.....or the one's that were about the violent destruction of these public properties?

Guess...who does the left protect? The real hooded terrorists....ANTIFIA the left wing anti-1st amendment hate group.

 

[iolo]

"Robert E. Lee, a great general whether you like it or not". "Donald J. Trump, a great American hero whether you like it or not"

'Robert E. Lee, a pretty good general with muddled values'. 'Donald Trump, a fat, incompetent, arrogant clown'.

 

[Ralph]

"Robert E. Lee, a great general whether you like it or not". "Donald J. Trump, a great American hero whether you like it or not"

And like it or not...….the majority of the founding principles in this representative republic called the United States of America....came from southern states, like Va. Just like Robert E. Lee

Another fact....the only "successful" SECCSION ever to occur in the United States? A northern state successfully seceded from a southern state.....presenting, the Neo Northern State of West Virginia.

 

[domer76]

I didn't say it "balances that equation," did I? I said he was a great general. Don't imply anything more.

He lost, dumbfuck. And was a traitor.

 

[Ralph]

He lost, dumbfuck. And was a traitor.

That must be why ABE offered him the job of leading the UNION ARMY....and he turned it down, what a loser. LMAO Fact: Lee won most of the battles in the War. He kicked union ass every time he engaged them....Lee did the honorable thing, when his troops were starving and refusing to give up, he laid down his sword in order to preserve life over ideology.

 

[MAGA MAN]

He was treasonous to the United States. His “cause” led to the deaths of 600,000 people.

It wasn't his cause. It was the Democrat Party's cause. Because they didn't understand modern economics, and still don't.

 

[MAGA MAN]

Lee was only an American colonel.

Interesting.

 

[iolo]

It's important to remember that Lee was a trained professional at as time when there weren't many American soldiers, so the fighting was pretty amateur until they learned the job. If anyone could have won the War for the slavers, Lee was the man, but he sounds to have been, basically, a civilised human being, so he must have been a bit torn, and with the numbers so heavily against him it's no wonder he lost.

 

[Teflon Don]

He was great General. They still teach about his tactics in war colleges. Obviously anyone on the left is too stupid to separate a great military tactician from politics. Of course, he was one of you Democrats. Something you folks are desperately trying to hide.

You aren’t sufficiently woke