Dixie, who do you predict will win in November?
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Reagan? Christ, Dixie - that was close to 30 years ago, and he was running against what many consider to be one of the worst Presidents in modern history, at a time when economic conditions were horrendous.
What a boneheaded example. The country is middle. It is not conservative; it is ESPECIALLY not socially conservative...
What a boneheaded example. The country is middle. It is not conservative; it is ESPECIALLY not socially conservative...
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Oh, really? You seriously want to go there? Then I suggest you contact Professor Brian Barnes of Saint Martin's University. That is, in fact, what the debate over Western Lands consisted of, but if you really are that demented, go ahead and try your luck ...
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Contextual comparison is assumed in this case. We are obviously discussing the issue in the context of current American political perspectives. When I state correctly that we are a predominately conservative nation, it means, in relation to the current prevalent liberal and conservative views in America. Most people have the ability to understand this context, so I didn't feel the need to explain it in detail. Apparently, you have proven how severely and profoundly retarded you really are.
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Well, you are just plain wrong. The issues which divide Liberals and Conservatives, really have no "middle ground" in most cases. You are either Pro-life or Pro-choice, you either buy into the whole Global-Warming thing, or you don't, you either believe in bigger government giving us more entitlements, or smaller government with less entitlements, more tax on the rich, or lower taxes... socialist policy or capitalist policy... there is no "moderate" position on these issues. Sure, you can have a moderate temperament to your Conservative or Liberal viewpoint, many people do, but this doesn't make you something that is impossible to be.
As for Social Conservatives, they have won every presidency, republican and democrat, for all of our history! Carter was a social conservative, and Clinton clearly ran as a social conservative. You can try to disavow social conservatism if you like, I hope to hell Obama does this, but so far he hasn't shown any indication of it, he is sounding more and more socially conservative everyday, as the election season heats up. This is because he knows as well as every man who has ever been elected president in this country, we are not going to elect a social liberal.
That's just the extreme version of Dixieland that you live in. Most people ARE middlin'. They support abortion rights, but prefer having some restrictions & having it discouraged, rather than "on demand." Most people are environmental to some degree; they don't subscribe to the church of Al Gore necessarily, but they also don't buy into Coulter's "the earth is ours to rape" philosophy, either. They support reasonable regulations & protections for our earth, water & air. A large group of evangelicals is starting to really make themselves heard on the environmental issue, something which you wouldn't normally attribute to that voting bloc. A lot of people believe gov't can lend a helping hand when people have lost their job or are otherwise vulnerable, but don't necessarily support a vast welfare state. There are middlin' views on all of the positions you mention, and that's where most of America is.
As for not electing a social liberal, I agree with you. I didn't say that (as usual, you can't read). Everyone runs to the middle when running for office. You're not going to see McCain vowing to ban abortion, and promising that evolution will no longer be taught in schools. People aren't comfortable with the extremes on either side.
I lived in Alabama for 4 years, so I can see how you get that idea, but its not true of America in General, come live her in Palm Beach County for a while, its very different? Dix, have you ever lived anywhere outside of Alabama?
When my father was growing up in Montgomery, he told me he once went to Macon, GA to see if the whole world was like Montgomery... He came home sadily disappointed to find that it was very much the same. He went to college in Tenneessee then at Auburn, it was not until he got to Europe with the Army Corps of Engeneers that he found that things are not always as they seem. You should travel, it may not be too late for you!
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Now you are attempting to claim I have said that most of America is extreme right wing, and that isn't what I said. We are predominately conservative, as in, more conservative than liberal, in both our social and economic politics. Very few mush-brains are sitting on a fence being completely neutral in their 'conservatism' or 'liberalism' because it just isn't realistic. You can't really be "for" something and also be "against" it. Most people are either conservative or liberal, to whatever degree, that is the case. My contention is, we are mostly conservative. Not right-wing radical militant conservative wackos, but generally conservative in our political views as a nation. This is why radical militant liberal wackos have to "run to the middle" to get elected.
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Uhm, I have lived in a variety of places, both in America and abroad. What your father experienced in the deep south of the 60's is not indicative of the current attitude of Alabamians or southerners in general. To form your viewpoints on this basis, is the quintessential basis for bigotry and prejudice. You have stereotyped a whole entire group of people based on your bigoted and wrong viewpoint which is based on something your father experienced years ago. This is completely contrary to the teachings of Dr. King. Have you ever read any of his works, and do you just not comprehend what he was saying?
No. That's wishful thinking Dixieland.
The liberal position on abortion is "abortion on demand." The conservative position is repeal Roe v. Wade.
The middlin' American position is keep it legal, but with certain restrictions, and try to discourage it. That's just the plain facts. That's not the conservative position.
Your whole existence is wishful thinking. I remember when the GOP lost Congress & you said they 'work better in the minority, anyway.' You live on a planet of spin.
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The positions are correct, and most of America (52%) do not support abortion and think Roe v. Wade should be revisited and overturned. I am about as Conservative as they come, and I don't think abortion should be completely outlawed, that doesn't make me a Moderate or my position "middlin". Again, what you have done is to paint "conservative" as radical right-wing extremism, and separate it from liberals and moderates, to claim the country is mostly moderate, and this isn't a fair viewpoint. There are probably just as many people who favor abortion under ANY and ALL conditions, as there are people who want it outlawed completely. The vast majority of opinions are somewhere in the middle, but this doesn't negate the fact that people either lean toward the liberal view of "women's choice" vs. the conservative view of "right to life". There is really no fundamental way to hold both views at the same time. That is my point.
Can you not read? I personally lived in Alabama for four years myself.
I dont count four weeks in the "green zone" Dix!
If the majority wanted R v. W overturned it would have happened by now!
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Not so, it's up to the Supreme Court, and they don't really give a shit what the public wants. Go check up on it, I think you will find in survey after survey, Americans are not pro-choice, they are slightly pro-life, when it comes to abortion. Furthermore, when it comes to the issue of "partial birth" abortion, it is overwhelmingly in favor of the "right to life" side, like 80-something percent.
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Oh... sorry about that... You have stereotyped a whole entire group of people based on your bigoted and wrong viewpoint which is based on you living somewhere for 4 years. I stand corrected.
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Yet, you have your pulse on what the Iraqi people want for having lived there for 3 weeks.....
What's the relationship between 1 week and three weeks?
Is it even possible?
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There are TONS of polls on abortion:
http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm
You can't just take one poll and say that's the end of it all.
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There is a vast difference between knowing what people want and desire, as opposed to judging what they are as a group. No correlation, as far as I can see. But thanks for your profound interjection.
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Although in some polls "illegal in all cases" and "illegal in most cases" is bigger than those favoring abortion, I didn't see a poll conducted in any time period with more support for striking down R v W than against.